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Old Posted Nov 22, 2018, 12:40 AM
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I think the free market has already shown us what would happen. spoiler alert - the majority of the cost of rideshare would be transferred to the most disadvantaged people.
Sure, "a fool and their money are soon parted."

What part of the NDP Legislation addresses this?

Same can be said about Casinos, yet they continue to expand...
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Vancouver taxi industry set to partner with ridesharing app Kater before new rules come into effect

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Kater is set to become the first ridesharing company to operate in B.C.

But the company is still going to have to operate under the current rules.

The Surrey-based company has struck a deal with the Vancouver Taxi Association where cabs can be hailed by phone-based apps. The Minister of Transportation confirmed on Monday that the Vancouver Taxi Association informed the Passenger Transportation Branch that it has entered an agreement with Kater to use its app-based technology in the Lower Mainland.

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There are concerns that Kater is getting an unfair advantage over other companies that are waiting to enter the B.C. market until the new rules change. New legislation passed last year details that companies like Uber and Lyft can start applying for new licences this fall.

In the meantime ICBC is creating an insurance package that can be used for these ride-hailing companies. The understanding is that Kater will operate solely as a technology company and that taxi companies will use the existing insurance model as it would for any Vancouver taxi.

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Isn't the problem there aren't enough cabs to satisfy the tourism population?
When a canucks game empties out you still have the same problem
When a cruise ship comes to town this doesn't help the tourists get into a cab faster.

A app doesnt help the situation. Hopefully this isnt the solution.

Another shell game by your local govt what ever they call themselves now.
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2019, 4:46 PM
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Also the regulations around where they can pickup. IE: some Surrey cabs can drive into Vancouver and drop people off, but not pick up other fares in Vancouver to drive to wherever. It's a fucking joke.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2019, 6:54 AM
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Kind of funny to see the guys behind the app:

https://www.monark.com/

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Old Posted Jan 11, 2019, 4:59 AM
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Highlight of my week was getting hit by a cab driver who proceeded to flee from the scene. Nothing too major...my bike took the brunt.

These guys are such bastards that have no regards for the road and there is obvious money laundering issues with the Surrey based cab companies that all govts seem to ignore.
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Also the regulations around where they can pickup. IE: some Surrey cabs can drive into Vancouver and drop people off, but not pick up other fares in Vancouver to drive to wherever. It's a fucking joke.
They still pick people up though.

Once I was told by a north shore cabbie when picked up downtown:"say you called us for a pick up"
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They still pick people up though.
Yes I once saw a suburban cab literally taken over by a crowd of friendly drunks in Kitsilano the driver just shrugged his shoulders and drove off.

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Once I was told by a north shore cabbie when picked up downtown:"say you called us for a pick up"
And why not it's perfectly legal and no one is going to bother checking.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2019, 2:27 AM
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Yes I once saw a suburban cab literally taken over by a crowd of friendly drunks in Kitsilano the driver just shrugged his shoulders and drove off.


And why not it's perfectly legal and no one is going to bother checking.
There is some rule that you need a license issued by the city of Vancouver to pickup in Vancouver. The same for the other municipalities.

It just goes to show how out of touch with reality the entire system is. Lets get Uber started now and end the circus that is the taxi industry.
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Slate wrote an exceptional article recently that has made me rethink my perspective on ride-hailing. Maybe it should be allowed everywhere except Vancouver. https://slate.com/business/2019/02/uber-lyft-vancouver-no-ride-hail.html

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If you live in just about any North American city, you can whip out your smartphone and hail a ride whenever you want. In San Francisco, ride-hailing has been available since Uber launched in 2010, and breakneck expansion over the next five years brought the company and its competitors to cities as small as Easton, Pennsylvania. Places like Austin, Texas, might have temporarily booted Uber and Lyft over concerns with their business practices, but today you can use their services pretty much anywhere in the United States or Canada.

Unless, that is, you find yourself in Vancouver, British Columbia.

Unlike every other major North American metro area, the Vancouver region doesn’t allow ride-hailing. That makes Vancouver a unique example of what happens when a thriving North American city politely—this is Canada—passes on the ride-hail bandwagon. The result: Vancouver’s public transit system is adding riders even as usage drops in many other cities. Bike commuting is growing, and car-share services like Car2Go are booming.

With a growing regional population of 2.5 million and a reputation for attracting outdoorsy millennials, the Vancouver metro area seems like a region well-suited for ride-share services. After all, Seattle—just a three-hour drive to the south—saw 20 million ride-hail trips in 2017. But British Columbia’s laws classify ride-hail as limousine services, which are subject to a minimum charge of CA$75, and local insurance regulations don’t yet enable coverage in unique ride-hail situations, such as if a crash happens before a driver picks up a rider. Today, services like Uber and Lyft aren’t available anywhere in the province.

That likely won’t remain the status quo for long: More and more Vancouverites are clamoring for the region to let ride-sharing in. It’s likely they’ll get their way by the end of the year. For now, however, Vancouver offers something of a natural experiment in what happens to a city’s transportation options in the absence of Lyft and Uber.

So how have Vancouverites handled the lack of ride-hailing? Well, their city has hardly ground to a halt. The percentage of Vancouverites who commute to work by walking, cycling, or transit rose from 57 percent in 2013 to 59 percent in 2017. During that time, the share of commute trips by bicycle jumped by about 50 percent as Vancouver rolled out investments like a network of protected downtown bike lanes. TransLink, the regional transit authority, grew ridership by 5.7 percent in 2017, easily the fastest rate in North America. Andrew McCurran, TransLink’s director of strategic planning and policy, says ridership rose even faster in 2018, by 6.7 percent. Remarkably, a major driver was TransLink’s bus ridership, which rose by 7.3 percent last year.

The overall TransLink network of buses, trains, and ferries is impressive: 90 percent of Vancouverites live within a 10-minute walk or bike ride to a high-frequency station. (Only New York City has a higher share in North America.) Transit payments are a cinch, as residents can access the full network with a NFC-enabled smartphone, a credit card with a smart chip, or the TransLink Compass Card, which comes as a bracelet and a physical card.

TransLink’s robust growth stands in stark contrast with its American peers; 31 of the 35 largest transit systems in the United States lost riders in 2017 and bus ridership in the United States dropped by 5 percent. Vancouver’s lack of ride-hailing may have helped drive its strong numbers; a much-cited University of California–Davis study in 2017 found that roughly half of ride-hail trips in seven major American cities took the place of transit, walking, or biking (or wouldn’t have happened at all).

Car sharing is also wildly popular in Vancouver, with 3,000 shared vehicles giving the metro area the most per capita in North America. Car2Go has 192,000 members in the region—more than anywhere else on the continent. Again, ride-hailing’s absence may be a contributor. It’s easy to see how “free-floating” car-share service—meaning you can pick up and leave a vehicle in any legal parking spot—can function as a ride-hail substitute when someone doesn’t want to drive round trip.

With transit, car-share, and bicycling numbers so strong without ride-hailing, it would be understandable if Vancouverites wanted to leave the current policies intact. After all, the experiences of other cities suggest ride-hailing could compete with transit for riders, worsen downtown congestion, and lead to drivers dangerously entering dedicated transit and bike lanes.

But that hasn’t happened. TransLink’s McCurran says that the majority of local residents want Uber, Lyft, and the like to be legalized. FOMO may be playing a role; McCurran notes that many Vancouverites have tried ride-hailing elsewhere and don’t understand why they can’t use it at home. Members of the tourism industry have been forceful advocates, with one calling ride-hailing’s absence “unfathomable” and bemoaning the “tourists [who] get frustrated with being unable to get around where they need to go.” The ride-hail companies have joined the debate too: In January Lyft devoted a blog post to explaining how its service could improve late-night mobility options for Vancouverites.

To be fair, online complaints about local taxi service are numerous, with one Reddit contributor complaining that “trying to get a taxi in Vancouver when there are sports/concerts/etc is damn near impossible.” As has been in the case in cities worldwide, the local taxi industry has been driving opposition to ride-hailing’s entry.

Regardless, Vancouver’s days as a mobility anomaly appear numbered. In 2017, British Columbians elected a new government led by the New Democratic Party, which promised to legalize ride-hailing. TransLink is preparing for ride-hailing’s expected arrival this year, though it’s still unclear whether and when that will happen, or how it will be implemented. Policymakers have recently explored a cap on ride-hail vehicles of the sort New York City adopted last year—though that could lead to the counterproductive result of concentrating ride-hail vehicles in dense areas that are already well-served by TransLink like downtown Vancouver instead of suburbs like Maple Ridge that have less transit access.

McCurran says TransLink is “cautiously optimistic” that ride-hailing will ultimately improve the region’s mobility network. “If handled well, with congestion-management measures, ride-hail can be a part of a service mix that collectively makes travel without a private automobile more competitive,” he says. McCurran declined to elaborate about what such “congestion management” might entail, but road pricing could be an option. Last month the city of Vancouver proposed “per-trip mobility fees,” a tax on future ride-hail trips taken at peak travel times that is designed to keep traffic flowing. In the meantime, TransLink is preparing for ride-hailing by testing the conversion of a few parking spots into future ride-hail pickup and drop-off points, with the goals of reducing congestion and improving pedestrian safety (an approach that is being tried in cities like D.C.).

With ride-hailing’s arrival looming, Vancouver has much at stake. As the last North American holdout, the region has built a robust mobility network that would be the envy of most cities. It’s possible that ride-hailing could augment that network, providing late-night service and reliable transportation options for residents in outer suburbs, while giving local taxis some healthy competition. But the technology could also bring the less desirable kind of disruption to Vancouver, increasing congestion while taking passengers away from clean and efficient modes like transit and biking. Which way will Vancouver go? We’ll know soon enough.
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Kind of funny to see the guys behind the app:

https://www.monark.com/

Cannabis, domain names, bollywood movies and real estate development.

Kater app and Monark basically IS the taxi industry via connections. Talk to the marketing guy and you'll see how little knowledge they even have in making the app, how to do it right, how to market it... etc. Can pretty much assume they got a headstart to create a new app specifically for BC. The level of taxi lobbying and government favouring and unfair advantages are so questionable here
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2019, 1:39 AM
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Good video on Uber in Vancouver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf7OnecBcv4
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2019, 6:54 AM
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Slate wrote an exceptional article recently that has made me rethink my perspective on ride-hailing. Maybe it should be allowed everywhere except Vancouver. https://slate.com/business/2019/02/uber-lyft-vancouver-no-ride-hail.html
I think it'd make sense if they remove caps during the night (e.g. 12am to 6am) and maybe have discounts if customers choose to be dropped off within a block of a skytrain or B-line stop.
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... and in news that will surprise no one

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The only thing resembling ridesharing in B.C. currently comes from a company called Kater — but so far it’s failed to launch.

The Surrey-based company, which struck a deal earlier this year with the Vancouver Taxi Association allowing cabs to be hailed by a phone-based app, was supposed to roll out sometime early in 2019 — months ahead of the official launch of ridesharing in B.C. later this fall.

In a statement, the company couldn’t give a firm date on when the public would see its vehicles on the road, and said it’s continuing to develop the technology behind the app. Its website also doesn’t offer any specific details.

However, looking at advertising from the company, it appears it’s short on drivers.

Now, Kater is offering potential drivers up to $1,700 dollars in bonuses if they sign on with the service.

Critics say the incentive is part of the company’s way of dealing with a shortage of Class 4 licence holders, which is required to operate a taxi in B.C.

Thanks to the province’s ridesharing legislation, that requirement will also be in place for Uber and Lyft drivers.

“The government is trying to pull a fast one on the public,” Liberal MLA Jas Johal said.

Johal sits on the Select Standing Committee on Crown Corporations, which is looking at how best to roll out ridesharing in B.C. The committee is focusing its attention on license requirements for potential drivers and the geographic boundaries that currently limit where taxi companies can operate.

Johal believes if the government carries through with its commitment making all drivers hold a Class 4 licence, it will kill all competition for Kater.

“It is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig,” he said. “If they [the government] were serious about testing ridehailing in this province it should be Uber and Lyft and anyone else who plans to enter the market, not just a company that is being advised by Moe Sihota, the former president of the NDP.”

Surrey Board of Trade CEO Anita Huberman agrees, calling Kater a Band-Aid solution to ridesharing in B.C.

“We need to allow companies like Uber and Lyft into the market to ensure that we have transportation choices not only with Metro Vancouver but in all of B.C.,” she said.

In a statement to Global News, the province said they’re still committed to introducing ridesharing in the fall, and defended the Class 4 licence requirement.

“When people use taxis or ridehailing services they need to know the driver has a clean record and their ride is safe,” a spokesperson with the Ministry of Transportation said.

But there are still no final regulations in place and no insurance product from ICBC that would apply to the pool of drivers expected to turn to ridesharing driving.

With more negotiations expected on the legislation, it could be months before the ridesharing landscape in BC becomes clear.
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Ride-hailing service Kater launching in Vancouver this month, Burnaby soon after
Company acquired taxi licences to operate before Uber and Lyft


Kelvin Gawley / Burnaby Now
MARCH 21, 2019



Kater Technologies Inc. CEO Scott Larson. Photo Tyler Orton

Ride hailing is finally coming to Metro Vancouver – sort of.

Surrey-based Kater Technologies plans to launch its beta testing phase with 30 vehicles hitting City of Vancouver streets March 30, ramping up to 140 cars around the region over six weeks.

Anyone in Burnaby hoping to use the app to arrange a pick will either have to wait or cross Boundary Road when the service first launches.

But come late May, Kater plans to have 19 vehicles operating in Burnaby.

In the meantime, early adopters who register at Kater.com will be able to hail a ride in Vancouver and get dropped off anywhere in the metro area, including in Burnaby, spokesperson Corrie Larson said.

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https://www.burnabynow.com/news/ride-hai...this-month-burnaby-soon-after-1.23670939
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B.C. should scrap plans to require Class 4 licence for ridesharing, committee recommends

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The committee tasked to look into ridesharing regulations in B.C. has recommended that drivers should hold a Class 5 licence.

But the B.C government has already rejected the idea, opting for a commercial Class 4 licence, which are mandatory for all taxi drivers.

To get a Class 4 licence drivers must pay additional fees and get tested. All taxi drivers in British Columbia are currently required to have a Class 4 licence

“My belief is that some people believe there is an arbitrary level of safety that is somehow got by a Class 4 licence,” Liberal MLA Stephanie Cadieux said.

“I am not sold on that myself. The reality is that parents send their children in cars with other parents on field trips and they don’t worry about the fact that the driver doesn’t have a Class 4 licence.”

Ridesharing drivers in Quebec, Alberta and Nova Scotia are now required to have the more expensive and comprehensive Class 4 licence.

Ontario, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and most U.S. jurisdictions require a Class 5, which is the minimum every driver in B.C. must have.

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Companies like Uber and Lyft have expressed concerns over Class 4 licences, but Uber is supportive of most of the recommendations in the report.

“If the government adopts today’s key recommendations, riders and drivers will be one step closer to seeing Vancouver join cities like Toronto, Calgary, and Seattle with true ridesharing services,” Uber Western Canada business manager Michael van Hemmen said.

“Now is the time to finalize ridesharing regulations and have ICBC make a ridesharing insurance product. British Columbians have waited for years to enjoy the same ridesharing services available in other cities – and we believe today’s recommendations can make that possible this year.”

The committee put forward a total of 11 recommendations, which include no geographical boundaries for pick-up and drop-off, no caps on ridesharing fleet sizes and ensuring the cost of a trip is not less than the cost of public transit.

The government has not agreed to any of the recommendations yet, but Trevena has opened the door to regulations that would allow greater flexibility.

“I will be working in the coming weeks and months to promote flexibility around key issues of supply, boundaries and pricing to prepare for the introduction of ride hailing this fall,” Trevana said.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 12:13 AM
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Class 4 is a real barrier for regular people who want to be Uber drivers, but apparently the province is still going to insist on it.

It certainly gives existing cabbies a huge leg up, with little benefit to the customers that I can see.
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idk why anyone thought the NDP would bring in ride sharing. NDP are more funded by Taxis than the Liberals were. plus the NDP is historically anti anything non-government controlled. i.e. the NDP generally don't like free market.

remember, ICBC was the NDPs baby...
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idk why anyone thought the NDP would bring in ride sharing. NDP are more funded by Taxis than the Liberals were. plus the NDP is historically anti anything non-government controlled. i.e. the NDP generally don't like free market.

remember, ICBC was the NDPs baby...
I'll have to see if I still have the data saved but I did a paper on this subject back in my scholarly days, and donations from taxi companies/lobby groups went nearly 2:1 to the BC Liberals between 2005 and 2014. The Liberals took in over $750k in that span and I think the NDP were just over 400.

A lot of that probably had to do with who was in power and I bet the NDP have started to catch up in the last 18 months, but there was a very clear margin for almost a decade in terms of where the money was going.

Does that excuse the NDP? Of course not. Just saying I think that it's a misconception that the industry is consistently more favourable to the NDP.
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