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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 7:34 PM
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At Tunney's, it looks that they only need to complete the posts' architectural finishes along with the yellow tactile strips and tiling at platform level. That and the decals on the lanterns, which seem to be missing at all stations but Lees, from what I can see around town. Otherwise, looks pretty complete.
While not "critical", this list isn't exactly minor either. It's at least a week or two of work. And at RTG's pace....
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 7:59 PM
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Now that I looked at pictures of other stations, I'm not 100% sure if they're tiling the outdoor stations. If they are, that would be quite challenging in winter. If not, that makes the job a whole lot easier. Otherwise, I don't think there's much left. If they can deliver by early February, the City could launch by March 1.

Then again, with RTG asking for one more day to come up with a handover date, my confidence is shaken. There's more to it than just finishing the stations. We can't know how the testing is going. Still strange they would ask for a one day extension considering they had 4 months. Leiper doesn't seem to be very confident based on a Tweet he posted earlier today:

"Haven't seen a lot of testing activity on our side of the portal, so not getting my hopes up too high. Expectation management is important. But, assuming they'll provide us with a real date this time, it's an exciting day!"

https://twitter.com/JLeiper/status/1080851593417768962
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 8:17 PM
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Now that I looked at pictures of other stations, I'm not 100% sure if they're tiling the outdoor stations. If they are, that would be quite challenging in winter. If not, that makes the job a whole lot easier. Otherwise, I don't think there's much left. If they can deliver by early February, the City could launch by March 1.

Then again, with RTG asking for one more day to come up with a handover date, my confidence is shaken. There's more to it than just finishing the stations. We can't know how the testing is going. Still strange they would ask for a one day extension considering they had 4 months. Leiper doesn't seem to be very confident based on a Tweet he posted earlier today:

"Haven't seen a lot of testing activity on our side of the portal, so not getting my hopes up too high. Expectation management is important. But, assuming they'll provide us with a real date this time, it's an exciting day!"

https://twitter.com/JLeiper/status/1080851593417768962
I would expect if there is another discouraging delay that puts us beyond a March handover, it will be a computer systems related delay related to Automated Train Operation. I remember Edmonton had system issues that delayed them as well.

My gut tells me we are going to get another bit of bad news but my fingers are crossed we'll be riding this line in April!
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 8:33 PM
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Edmonton had (have?) major issues with the signaling system of the Metro Line. They used Thales, which is the same provider that we have. The major difference however, is that they had to deal with an existing signalling system from the late 70s (Capital Line trains use the old system while Metro Line trains use the new automated system, yet both interline for the majority of the route) along with multiple level crossings. Our system is fully grade separated, so more along the lines of the Vancouver Skytrain, another Thales operating system.

That's not to say they might not have issues with the system. At this point, I think that is the most likely reason for any additional delay, if that's the case.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-n...man-metro-line-lrt-doomed-from-the-start
     
     
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I feel like if there was signalling issues we would have heard about it by now. They've been testing for months and a year ago they said signalling was a critical point, and in the updates to council (after the second delay!), we were told that signalling was going very well.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 9:13 PM
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Have there been any recent shots of the inside of Rideau station? A few weeks ago it didn’t look very close.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 9:48 PM
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The one from November 29 is the most recent we've seen, I believe.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 10:32 PM
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It is very unlikely that the Confederation Line will open before the end of Q1 since the RSA date has been set to "on or before March 31st".

https://www.otrainfans.ca/blogs/o-train-...ailability-date-update-on-january-3-2019
     
     
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CTV reporting March 31 handover date. Then the city needs “at least a month”

I am sticking with my May prediction.
     
     
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CTV reporting March 31 handover date. Then the city needs “at least a month”

I am sticking with my May prediction.
The memo says "within a month" of RSA, not "at least a month".
     
     
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CTV reporting March 31 handover date. Then the city needs “at least a month”

I am sticking with my May prediction.
Sounds right, sigh. However RTG seems to have given themselves a huge fudge factor, given the near total completion of the line
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 11:27 PM
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RTG states that the Works Schedule will reflect achievement of Revenue Service Availability on or before March 31, 2019.

You can read the two documents that were distributed below for more details. I encourage all to view them to have the complete picture and update on the status of the line.

https://www.otrainfans.ca/blogs/o-train-...ailability-date-update-on-january-3-2019

The two major points are:
  1. As per the attached documentation, RTG has advised the City that it will achieve RSA on or before March 31, 2019. Staff will continue to monitor RTG's progress against their RSA date.
  2. The RSA date is not the date that service is launched to passengers. It is expected that Confederation Line service would be launched within one month of achieving the RSA date.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2019, 11:44 PM
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City will get keys to Ottawa's LRT system by end of March, builders say

Tom Spears & Shaamini Yogaretnam, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: January 3, 2019


The builders of Ottawa’s much anticipated light rail transit system say it will be turned over to the city on or before March 31 and, according to the city, riders can expect to be on the trains within one month of that date.

The Rideau Transit Group was originally to have told city officials by Wednesday when it could hand over the completed LRT system after several delays on delivery, but city officials gave the consortium a one-day extension to Thursday to reveal the updated time frame. The new date was announced after 5 p.m. Thursday, in a memo by rail construction program director Michael Morgan to city council.

The date is in line with Mayor Jim Watson’s previously expressed confidence that the system would be completed by the end of March. Watson is on vacation until Jan. 7 and was not available to comment on the announcement, according to his press secretary.

Kanata South Coun. Allan Hubley, who chairs the transit commission, said he won’t be celebrating until he hears that the system is actually functional.

“My only concern is that all the testing and preparations need to be completed to ensure a safe and stable operating train,” Hubley said. “Yes we have a date from RTG, which is great news. but until I hear from our experts and John Manconi that they are confident that the system is ready to carry residents on their daily commutes, I won’t be celebrating.

“We need to stay focused on safety and providing the best possible service to our citizens.”

The handover date is the date by which RTG must have completed its work on the system, including all civil work, work on mechanical and electrical systems, delivery of all light rail vehicles, all signage, in-train announcements and public announcement system, wayfinding, safety certifications, independent safety auditor compliance and the results of successful trial runs.

Once the city receives the system, city staff will still need to do more work to make sure the Confederation Line system works with the existing OC Transpo network. That work will include practising using the system, simulating the system’s operations and training staff. The city expects the line to be fully launched within one month of the handover from RTG.

RTG is a consortium of more than a dozen firms in charge of building and outfitting the LRT, including construction heavyweights EllisDon and SNC Lavalin and trainmaker Alstom.

The $2.1-billion, 12.5-kilometre system was originally scheduled to begin carrying passengers in the middle of 2018.

In February 2018, the mayor announced the first handover date of May 24, 2018 wouldn’t be met. The delivery was pushed to November. In September, it was clear that no trains would run in 2018 and the handover was pushed yet again, this time to 2019.

The June 2016 sinkhole on Rideau Street has been cited as the main reason why the LRT system couldn’t be finished on time.

Tunnelling in wet, sandy soil led to a collapse that ruptured a water main and flooded the Rideau Street station. It took 3,000 cubic metres of concrete to fill the hole and stabilize the tunnel enough that construction could resume.

The city estimates the LRT delay has cost $25 million in extra busing costs and lost fare revenue. It’s unclear whether RTG will pick up that tab. The consortium faced a $1-million fine for failing to meet one of its earlier deadlines, but the city chose not to impose the penalty.

The 13-station east-west Confederation Line runs between Tunney’s Pasture and Blair Road.

There were more than 300 OC Transpo workers — mainly bus drivers — who were scheduled to be laid off as of Dec. 1 of last year. They were asked to keep working until the LRT line is open.

In September 2018, when it was clear the line wouldn’t be ready till 2019, transportation general manager John Manconi said nothing would change with the Stage 2 project, which will extend rail service to Moodie Drive, Algonquin College, Trim Road, Riverside South and the Ottawa airport. Construction had been expected to start sometime in this year.

The City of Ottawa could not say Thursday, after the late announcement on the handover date, how much money it would cost to continue to employ bus drivers or how the later delivery date might now impact Stage 2 LRT expansion.


The LRT: A timeline

Dec. 19, 2012: Ottawa’s city council approves the Confederation Line, a 12.5-kilometre light rail transit line from from Tunney’s Pasture to Blair Road.

April 2013: Construction begins at a maintenance and storage yard on Belfast Road though tunnelling and track work do not start immediately.

June 2016: A major sinkhole opens during tunnelling under Rideau Street, delaying construction by five months. It is the second sinkhole after a much smaller one opened at Laurier Avenue and Waller Street in early 2014.

Dec. 5, 2016: The first light-rail vehicle runs as a test between Blair and Cyrville stations.

Jan. 19, 2017: The tunnelling machines downtown meet in the middle, connecting the tunnel’s two ends.

March 8, 2017: Council approves a $3.6-billion Stage 2 rail and road package. Councillors anticipate making Bayshore Shopping Centre and Algonquin College the western end points for the LRT system in 2023.

April 2018: The first LRT train travels through the downtown tunnel on a weekend. Mayor Jim Watson tweets out a photo.

Feb. 6, 2018: Watson announced RTG will not meet its initial date to turn over the LRT system to the city. That date had been May 24, 2018. It’s pushed now to Nov. 2. “You don’t know all of the variables around this very complex project,” Watson said. “I’ve always said my goal was to see the trains running with passengers in 2018 and we’re doing that.”

Sept. 10: The city reveals the system will not be ready until 2019. John Manconi, the city’s transportation general manager, says Rideau Transit Group tried to convince the city to accept a partially completed transit system. “I’m not biting,” he says, adding that the builder will face a $1-million penalty for failing to meet the deadline.

Nov. 14, 2018: Watson announces he has “great confidence” the project will be complete by the end of March this year.

Late November 2018: The plan to redevelop LeBreton Flats, which has key links to the LRT, falls apart publicly, leaving a largely empty area between Pimisi and Bayview stations instead of condos, businesses and an NHL arena.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...-lrt-system-by-end-of-march-builders-say

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Old Posted Jan 4, 2019, 2:42 AM
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Still no service date for passengers.
No penalty provision applied as a result of missed deadline.
Lack of information on who is assuming millions $$$ cost to taxpayers.
No comment from the mayor.

Lack of transparency, oversight and management of this by the city - and Ottawa just continues along ho-hum.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2019, 3:36 AM
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The Confederation Line may now be operational by the end of April. Yet another delay. Makes you wonder about Phase 2 timelines.

I don't believe anything until we see full service tests, which clearly has not taken place so far.
     
     
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The Confederation Line may now be operational by the end of April. Yet another delay. Makes you wonder about Phase 2 timelines.

I don't believe anything until we see full service tests, which clearly has not taken place so far.
Yeah. My optimism is gone. I was thinking they could push and launch in Feb. But nobody, most of all RTG, seems interested in actually getting pushing hard.
     
     
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Alright, looks like March 31st is the day. Looking forward to this!
https://www.reddit.com/r/ottawa/comments...ys_they_will_be/?st=JQHK3IHK&sh=98458aeb
     
     
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Yeah. My optimism is gone. I was thinking they could push and launch in Feb. But nobody, most of all RTG, seems interested in actually getting pushing hard.
So let's take bets on stage 2 now, I predict an actual completion date of June 2025. I figure it will end up being even more delayed then stage 1.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2019, 1:15 PM
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Stage 2 has already been delayed by over a year. Bids were supposed to be in Q1 2018, with construction starting soon after, then it moved to Q4 2018 with construction in early 2019. Now it's what, Q1 2019 with construction starting in late 2019. Yet the timelines advertised by the City have not changed.

I feel like Stage 2 Trillium might stay on track. It was scheduled to shut down April 2020 and re-open September 2021. It is the simplest of the 3 projects.

https://charlatan.ca/2017/03/o-train-to-shut-down-for-16-months-in-2020/

Stage 2 East I think will open 2023 (1 year delay due to bidding process/lame duck council). Again, fairly simple along the highway median, only 4 stations and expanded park and rides, widened highway.

Stage 2 West will probably open around 2025, as kcamp is suggesting. They'll be building in more restrictive environments, expansive tunneling, 11 new stations, new right-of-ways.
     
     
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