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Here's a PDF from a Belfast Yard expansion public consultation. As mentioned, work started in early 2017 and should be done this month actually. The expansion can accommodate 16 new vehicles and does include additional maintenance bays, where I assume they will assemble the 38 new trains (they don't mention that in the presentation, however).

I estimate they will build the first 16 trains for the Trim extension (based on the capacity of the new sheds), with the other 22 likely to be stored at Moodie, which should be complete by the time Stage 2 East opens.

https://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Belfast-Expansion-Meeting-May-17-2017-ENG.pdf
     
     
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Have they started building the new trains for Stage 2 yet? Or any of the 2 trainsets funded by PTIF? (https://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/default/files/ptif_funded_projects_en.pdf)

It seems like the full complement of Citadis trains will be 74 (34 original + 2 PTIF + 38 Stage 2)
     
     
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Never heard of those extra two sets from the PTIF. Were those to boost Stage 1 service before Stage 2 comes online?
     
     
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Never heard of those extra two sets from the PTIF. Were those to boost Stage 1 service before Stage 2 comes online?
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Have they started building the new trains for Stage 2 yet? Or any of the 2 trainsets funded by PTIF?

It seems like the full complement of Citadis trains will be 74 (34 original + 2 PTIF + 38 Stage 2)
Good Day.

I have repeatedly heard of 2 trains out of PTIF (and seen a summary of that PTIF document),
but have never seen any details about what trains, where, when, which line, whatever, what the ....... !!

And I have repeatedly seen reference to 34 + 38 in many documents and reports, as in Stage 1 and Stage 2.

So.... as far as I am concerned, until we see 'em, they don't exist (as in vapourware).

As for beginning to build Stage 2 vehicles..... as far as I am aware, no.
I have to think RTG is focused purely on getting Stage 1 delivered.
No need to complicate matters by involving the other subsequent Alstom delivery jump-contract (38) yet;
it got complicated enough with the jump-contract for the Belfast yard modifications and expansion.
     
     
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This was supposed to be the Year of the Train. It wasn't.

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: December 27, 2018


This year was one of disasters, tragedy, boondoggles and love. From wild politics to wild winds to a Senators team that couldn’t stay out of the news, 2018 was filled with twists and the unexpected. It was also a year in which the whole city paused to mourn, after losing its Butterfly Boy. In 2018, some narratives transfixed us, while others dominated our conversations — and here, in our annual newsmakers series, we return to examine the year’s biggest stories. Today, the train that never came.

Two city slogans died in what was supposed to be the Year of the Train: “On track 2018” and “on budget and on time.”

LRT trains are running today, but not with any fare-paying passengers. The tests on the 12.5-kilometre Confederation Line continue and Canadian taxpayers, who through the federal, Ontario and Ottawa municipal budgets have provided $2.1 billion to build the transit system, wait for the day to ride the rails.

There were two times in 2018 when city hall expected to take ownership of the LRT system from the Rideau Transit Group but instead had to deliver bad news to residents.

The first contracted handover date was May 24, and although the city never really released an opening date, it probably would have been around the middle of 2018. The June 2016 sinkhole on Rideau Street has been cited as the main reason why the LRT system couldn’t be finished on time. Councillors were shocked the city couldn’t apply a $1-million penalty to RTG for missing a deadline.

The city and RTG settled on a new handover deadline, Nov. 2. If the city received the keys to the LRT system on that date, it could have opened the rail line by the end of November.

Over the summer and in early fall, it became clear to ordinary Ottawa residents that there was no way RTG could deliver a completed LRT system by Nov. 2. Queen Street was still under construction, Rideau Street didn’t look ready for a crush of LRT customers entering and exiting the station, and the western stations, especially Tunney’s Pasture and Bayview, were nowhere near completion.

City officials, including Mayor Jim Watson, noticed the pace of construction wasn’t meeting the November schedule. By the start of September, RTG was calling city staff proposing a new schedule. Staff then delivered the news publicly to councillors that there was no way the LRT system would be ready in 2018.

The second deadline in November was symbolic since it was at the end of the four-year council term. It would have been a nice bookend for municipal politicians to ride the first trains and cut the ribbon, etching their places in history as the council that opened Ottawa’s electric rapid rail line.

It was with some relief that councillors learned the city was contractually in a position where it could, this time, apply the $1-million penalty.

Now, people are waiting to hear when they can expect the Confederation Line to open in 2019. The city’s best guess is by the end of March. RTG was to tell the city by Jan. 2, 2019 when it could deliver the LRT system.

Going into the new year, the city still doesn’t have any assurances that budget overruns tied to the delays will be covered by RTG. The city could save nearly $1 million from the delay, largely because it doesn’t pay for LRT maintenance when the LRT system isn’t running yet.

However, that rosy projection assumes the city can recoup $25 million from RTG under provisions of the contract. The city has swallowed extra costs for running downtown bus detours, operating the O-Train construction office and missing out on fare revenue from an expected ridership bump. The city and RTG are negotiating the money.

At this point, after more than five years of construction and daily headaches of downtown bus jams and snarled traffic, OC Transpo customers and car commuters alike are looking forward to a finished train system.

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The Vaughn extension was way overbuilt. I can understand York University and Vaughn Town Centre, but they went way overboard with the rest. In Ottawa, we went the other directions with the two CBD stations, platform level at least, with our bare bones size and design.

I don't see us ever improving any of our stations unless absolutely necessary (such as overcrowded downtown entrances), so I'm hoping they will build to suit projected demand. On a scale of 1 to 10, in terms of size, design, visual flair, etc. this is what I expect. A 10 rating is based on our most impressive station, not on international design standards.

Control, Stage 1 LRT:

Blair: 8
Cyrville: 6
St-Laurent: 7
Tremblay: 7
Hurdman: 8
Lees: 5
uOttawa: 7
Rideau: 10
Parliament: 8
Lyon: 8
Pimisi: 8
Bayview: 7
Tunney's: 9

Stage 2 East:

Trim: 8
Place d'Orleans: 7
Orleans Boulevard: 5
Jeanne d'Arc: 6
Montréal: 7

Stage 2 West:

Westboro: 7
Dominion: 7
Cleary: 8
New Orchard: 6
Lincoln Fields: 8
Iris: 3
Algonquin: 8

Queensview: 6
Pinecrest: 6
Bayshore: 7
Moodie: 9
     
     
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Okay, it's Winter 2019. Is it opened yet ?
     
     
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Okay, it's Winter 2019. Is it opened yet ?
Don't we find out from today's meeting? or not?
     
     
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Don't we find out from today's meeting? or not?
We're supposed to find out today. Well, the City is suppose to find out today. I was looking though the City's website to see when the next FEDCO meeting was, but was unable to find that information.

Is there a meeting today (FEDCO or other)? If so, at what time?
     
     
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I was not able to find the next FEDCO date, but the City of Ottawa website indicates that they meet the first Tuesday of every month at 9:30 a.m. Since that was New Year's, I assume they will meet Tuesday the 8th, at which point hopefully, we get a new delivery date for the system.
     
     
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Rideau Transit Group receives one-day extension to announce LRT handover date

Blair Crawford & Aedan Helmer, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: January 2, 2019


The announcement of the oft-delayed “handover date” for the city to officially take possession of the LRT system will have to wait at least one more day.

The Rideau Transit Group was to have told city officials by Wednesday’s deadline when it could deliver the completed LRT system.

The deadline passed quietly, with city officials waiting until nearly 5 p.m. Wednesday to confirm they had granted the RTG consortium a one-day extension to Thursday.

The extension came at RTG’s request, according to Michael Morgan, the city’s rail construction program director.

“City staff will review the new date and respond to RTG,” Morgan said in an email. “Staff will provide an update to council following the review of the new (handover) date.”

This is the third time a deadline has passed after the original handover date was set for May 2018, then extended to November, then January.

The $2.1-billion, 12.5-kilometre system was originally supposed to have begun carrying passengers some time in the middle of 2018 — the city was always vague about an exact handover date — until eventually the city and RTG settled on Nov. 2 as the day the city would take possession. That would have meant the trains would be running by the end of November.

Then, on Sept. 10, the city’s transportation general manager, John Manconi, announced that even that date wouldn’t be met. RTG had tried to convince the city to take possession while the train network was still incomplete — an offer the city refused. The system still required extensive testing and the north entrance to the Rideau Station would not have been complete.

“I think they want me to flinch and I’m not flinching,” Manconi said at the time.

The first contracted handover date was May 24, 2018, though the June 2016 sinkhole on Rideau Street has been cited as the main reason why the LRT system couldn’t be finished on time.

Tunnelling in wet, sandy soil led to a collapse that ruptured a water main and flooded the Rideau Street station. It took 3,000 cubic metres of concrete to fill the hole and stabilize the tunnel enough that construction could resume.

The city estimates the LRT delay has cost $25 million in extra busing costs and lost fare revenue. It’s unclear if RTG will pick up that tab. The consortium faced a $1-million fine for failing to meet one of its earlier deadlines, but the city chose not to impose the penalty.

Rideau Transit Group is a consortium of more than a dozen firms in charge of building and outfitting the LRT, including construction heavyweights EllisDon and SNC Lavalin and trainmaker Alstom.

The 13-station east-west Confederation Line runs between Tunney’s Pasture and Blair Road.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ottawas-lrt-handover-date-receives-one-day-extension
     
     
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What a s***show.
     
     
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And the bus service is still garbage and getting garbager.
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Will we get an opening date Thursday? I hope so.
     
     
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Will we get an opening date Thursday? I hope so.
I doubt we will hear anything today. Note the wording above, “Staff will provide an update to council following the review of the new (handover) date.”

If there is a Fedco update next week, we will probably get the date then.
     
           
     
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At Tunney's, it looks that they only need to complete the posts' architectural finishes along with the yellow tactile strips and tiling at platform level. That and the decals on the lanterns, which seem to be missing at all stations but Lees, from what I can see around town. Otherwise, looks pretty complete.
     
     
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