The real problem with Vancouver’s outrageous house prices

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Krissy

To say view cones are for rich people in Point Grey is misinformation. Did you even read scryer's post? But knowing you, you probably can't tell what misinformation is.

So, the right answer should be "the rich people in Shaughnessy": does that change the argument of the posting in any way? Nope. In fact, because of the height restrictions from south of the downtown peninsula, many in the West Side and Point Grey area would reject their own neighbourhoods to go high density.

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-view-cones-economic-potential

The main argument in this thread is that Vancouver remains unaffordable, and that the resistance to change in zoning is contributing a big part to the unaffordability issue.

[GenWhy?]

We've gone to staff asking for an 8-storey rental building or 6-storey for a rezoning and staff and the community says "too high", even on arterial roads... so we build smaller more expensive buildings and sometimes condos instead of rentals. View cones and their restrictions are the sensational topic that doesn't address the real local problem with zoning and neighbourhood fears / resistance - public discourse is good - but when we can build real affordable rental for 2 extra floors and we don't get support, then we don't build it. Simple.

View cones do little for real affordability and affect a small area of the city and landowners / development in the City. There is great transit access at other stations but it's near single family homes... (Nanaimo)

[Jalapeño Chips]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Back to the mis information and racist calling for pointing out facts. How much does the CCP pay you per post?

"Cole wants Canadians and Americans to be aware of “the ideology that lies at the heart of the CCP’s influence operations abroad.” It’s inherently authoritarian and inclined towards censorship and intimidation, affirming the truism that the first victim of war is the truth."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/canadian-think-tank-exposes-vast-chinese-meddling-abroad_2710967.html

It's a bit off topic, but I am only going to engage with this once.

I wonder about certain people on this forum. I have no reason to believe that forums like this are free and clear form influence. Look at the Russian medding in the USA, and soon to be in Canada...

[misher]

Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

"Cole wants Canadians and Americans to be aware of “the ideology that lies at the heart of the CCP’s influence operations abroad.” It’s inherently authoritarian and inclined towards censorship and intimidation, affirming the truism that the first victim of war is the truth."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/canadian-think-tank-exposes-vast-chinese-meddling-abroad_2710967.html

It's a bit off topic, but I am only going to engage with this once.

I wonder about certain people on this forum. I have no reason to believe that forums like this are free and clear form influence. Look at the Russian medding in the USA, and soon to be in Canada...

Everyone knows it’s CPC right? Communist Party of China. Why am I seeing CCP everywhere? Weird to even see it in an article though I guess that tells you how much the author actually knows.

[Jalapeño Chips]

Originally Posted by misher

Everyone knows it’s CPC right? Communist Party of China. Why am I seeing CCP everywhere? Weird to even see it in an article though I guess that tells you how much the author actually knows.

It dosen't matter how it's written. Did you even read the article? Did you see what I bolded? Why did you just belittle the writer? I'm very suspicious of how defensive you are, and so anti-Canadian with your values.

Read the articles, then comment.

Want to know why the foreign ban in New Zealand:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/j...at-critical-stage-says-canada-spy-report

More:
https://business.financialpost.com/news/...s-canada-pursues-trade-says-former-envoy

[misher]

Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

It dosen't matter how it's written. Did you even read the article? Did you see what I bolded? Why did you just belittle the writer? I'm very suspicious of how defensive you are, and so anti-Canadian with your values.

Read the articles, then comment.

Want to know why the foreign ban in New Zealand:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/j...at-critical-stage-says-canada-spy-report

More:
https://business.financialpost.com/news/...s-canada-pursues-trade-says-former-envoy

So an article writing about the NDP that called it the NPD would be credible to you? 😀

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

It dosen't matter how it's written. Did you even read the article? Did you see what I bolded? Why did you just belittle the writer? I'm very suspicious of how defensive you are, and so anti-Canadian with your values.

Let's please not start a Fiftycenter witch hunt here. If not because it's the mature, intelligent thing to do, then because three regular posters just got suspended just a few weeks ago for the same kind of rhetoric.

Originally Posted by misher

So an article writing about the NDP that called it the NPD would be credible to you? ������

"New Party Democratic" doesn't really make sense. Also, you may be interested to know that both CCP and CPC are used equally throughout mass media, and that Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng literally translates into "China Communist Party."

[Jalapeño Chips]

Originally Posted by misher

So an article writing about the NDP that called it the NPD would be credible to you? ������

Did you read the articles. Why defend China so much, eh?

[Jalapeño Chips]

[QUOTE=Migrant_Coconut;8407095]Let's please not start a Fiftycenter witch hunt here. If not because it's the mature, intelligent thing to do, then because three regular posters just got suspended just a few weeks ago for the same kind of rhetoric.


I've been reading these forums for many years, and I always came to it for concise and factual information. I've only recently started participating when misinformation and attacks on Canadian values started to filter in. Call it whatever you like, but I'm going to step in whenever I see misinformation, or an attack on values.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

I've been reading these forums for many years, and I always came to it for concise and factual information. I've only recently started participating when misinformation and attacks on Canadian values started to filter in. Call it whatever you like, but I'm going to step in whenever I see misinformation, or an attack on values.

Define "Canadian values." The "Anti-speculation is racist, we actually need more towers" rhetoric has been parroted by Caucasians (Vision + voters, developers, semi-ignorant PC liberals... wait, I'm repeating myself) just as much as Asians - if you knew misher was both white and a Canadian citizen, would he still be attacking our values, or would he just be another "right-wing loon?"

It's not like you've gone after him when he was advocating increased school hours and mandatory student workouts, shipping containers as modular housing, or a stay-in-the-kitchen society.

[Jalapeño Chips]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Define "Canadian values." The "Anti-speculation is racist, we actually need more towers" rhetoric has been parroted by Caucasians (Vision + voters, developers, semi-ignorant PC liberals... wait, I'm repeating myself) just as much as Asians - if you knew misher was both white and a Canadian citizen, would he still be attacking our values, or would he just be another "right-wing loon?"

It's not like you've gone after him when he was advocating increased school hours and mandatory student workouts, shipping containers as modular housing, or a stay-in-the-kitchen society.

I missed the mandatory workouts and stay in the kitchen society, however, I have gone after him with his ideas on shipping out the poor, as well as housing.

He also once claimed he was European, so i don't know what he is, and I don't care. Canadian values such as universal healthcare and decent public housing for the homeless, and poor, are near and dear to what I have grown to respect about my country, and what many find respectful around the world. Anyone who seems to want to destroy that and verbally attack me by calling me a socialist for defending that, looses my respect immediately.

[misher]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Define "Canadian values." The "Anti-speculation is racist, we actually need more towers" rhetoric has been parroted by Caucasians (Vision + voters, developers, semi-ignorant PC liberals... wait, I'm repeating myself) just as much as Asians - if you knew misher was both white and a Canadian citizen, would he still be attacking our values, or would he just be another "right-wing loon?"

It's not like you've gone after him when he was advocating increased school hours and mandatory student workouts, shipping containers as modular housing, or a stay-in-the-kitchen society.

Hey man I appreciate that you keep track of my posts I certainly dont....what’s a stay in the kitchen society?

Btw Jalapeño social security is pretty far from “Canadian” values. Canadian values are based on being able to come here and get a fresh start, work hard, and build a life/home for yourself. Charity has never been a “Canadian” value. We went to war and fought against socialism and communism. This thing where we tax homeowners, block foreigners, provide free housing to drug addicts/unemployed, these things would shock/frighten our founding fathers. There almost as un-Canadian as you can get. John A. Macdonald was a staunch Conservative (much harder than our current Conservatives) and exercised a strong stance both against the French and First Nations that would shock and abhor our current public opinion. He was pro immigration, pro development, against taxes, and against welfare. Don’t go saying your values are Canadian just because you are, your values are much closer to China’s than Canada’s.

However some social support is personally fine with me I’m not against light socialism. It’s a slippery slope though when you give people less incentive to work, socialism in Canada came about because there weren’t enough jobs during the depression/recession and people needed help. It was never meant to be pushed during a time of prosperity and low unemployment.

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by misher

Btw Jalapeño social security is pretty far from “Canadian” values. Canadian values are based on being able to come here and get a fresh start, work hard, and build a life/home for yourself. Charity has never been a “Canadian” value.

You might want to have a look at the history of the fight between Tories and Grits to discover what "Canadian Values" means. What you listed were American Algeresques. Only a minority of Canadians believe in that. We are not a decidedly individualist country.

[scryer]

...And this is why I walked away. No need to raise the good ol' BP for online 🞵🞵🞵🞵 like this. Shall we start a fantasy-pick for who will get banned because of this thread?

[misher]

Originally Posted by scryer

...And this is why I walked away. No need to raise the good ol' BP for online 🞵🞵🞵🞵 like this. Shall we start a fantasy-pick for who will get banned because of this thread?

Correct. Let’s change topic!

[Jalapeño Chips]

Originally Posted by misher

Hey man I appreciate that you keep track of my posts I certainly dont....what’s a stay in the kitchen society?

Btw Jalapeño social security is pretty far from “Canadian” values. Canadian values are based on being able to come here and get a fresh start, work hard, and build a life/home for yourself. Charity has never been a “Canadian” value. We went to war and fought against socialism and communism. This thing where we tax homeowners, block foreigners, provide free housing to drug addicts/unemployed, these things would shock/frighten our founding fathers. There almost as un-Canadian as you can get. John A. Macdonald was a staunch Conservative (much harder than our current Conservatives) and exercised a strong stance both against the French and First Nations that would shock and abhor our current public opinion. He was pro immigration, pro development, against taxes, and against welfare. Don’t go saying your values are Canadian just because you are, your values are much closer to China’s than Canada’s.

However some social support is personally fine with me I’m not against light socialism. It’s a slippery slope though when you give people less incentive to work, socialism in Canada came about because there weren’t enough jobs during the depression/recession and people needed help. It was never meant to be pushed during a time of prosperity and low unemployment.

This is why I post what I post. This is all so full of misinformation, like many of your posts, and you will never own up to it. So I will keep on calling you out. Period.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by misher

Btw Jalapeño social security is pretty far from “Canadian” values. Canadian values are based on being able to come here and get a fresh start, work hard, and build a life/home for yourself. Charity has never been a “Canadian” value. We went to war and fought against socialism and communism. This thing where we tax homeowners, block foreigners, provide free housing to drug addicts/unemployed, these things would shock/frighten our founding fathers. There almost as un-Canadian as you can get. John A. Macdonald was a staunch Conservative (much harder than our current Conservatives) and exercised a strong stance both against the French and First Nations that would shock and abhor our current public opinion. He was pro immigration, pro development, against taxes, and against welfare. Don’t go saying your values are Canadian just because you are, your values are much closer to China’s than Canada’s.

Wow, you truly have no idea what you're talking about.

John A MacDonald was a racist drunk who's been dead for about 120 years. I respect him as one of the founders of this country, but his views are out of date, to say the least.

In 2004 there was a large scale contest/vote for "The Greatest Canadian."

Wikipedia Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Canadian

See who the winner is? Tommy Douglas? Know who he is?

https://www.canadashistory.ca/explore/politics-law/history-idol-tommy-douglas

Now, perhaps you can be forgiven, since I'm not sure you were born in 2004, but please, do a little research on the history of this country before spouting your nonsense.

Canada has never really been a right wing country. The only influence we get is from the Republican party down south, that occasionally gives our Conservative party some dumb ideas.

[CanSpice]

I still haven't found out if Australia or New Zealand's bans on foreign ownership helped housing affordability...

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

I still haven't found out if Australia or New Zealand's bans on foreign ownership helped housing affordability...

Asked and answered.

NZ's ban is just a couple months old but:

Prices plummet in Queenstown after foreign buyer ban introduced

The boom times for foreign investment in Australia's housing market are over

Foreign investors pull out of Australia's property market

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Asked and answered.

NZ's ban is just a couple months old but:

Prices plummet in Queenstown after foreign buyer ban introduced

The boom times for foreign investment in Australia's housing market are over

Foreign investors pull out of Australia's property market

Those make fascinating reading. So prices in Auckland haven't fallen at all (yet) and in Wellington prices are still going up. In Australia "Like the NAB, Australia’s FIRB says the introduction of capital controls in China in early 2017, limiting the ability for citizens to get their money out of the country, especially for property purchases, largely explained the drop off in offshore demand seen in recent years". Presumably that has to be a factor in Vancouver as well as all the other tax changes.