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patriotizzy · #**621** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 5:19 PM**

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Good. The time is nearing when we say goodbye to this one, and watch the birth of the new one.

Meanwhile, I've been thinking about the design of the new tower, and the legacy of the Park Avenue towers - big, boxy, classic corporate towers. I think it's a coup that the city was able
to get a new tower of this size (2msf +) to rise on Park Avenue, a tower of the scale of new towers rising in the Hudson Yards, along a boulevard that drew inspiration from Park Avenue itself.

I think if another tower of this size goes up along Park Avenue (maybe 300 Park if they are able to assemble that whole block), it would be a major success for the rezoning,
regardless of all of the other towers that will rise on the east side.

But looking back on the old guard, and the new tower that will join them...

All of those look almost exactly the same. Makes the city so dull and uninspired. Glad these are the next targets for redevelopment.

As for the guy that feels these are like old friends. Anything will feel like a friend when you spend enough time with them. Even a pile of poop

NYguy · #**622** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 5:31 PM**

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All of those look almost exactly the same. Makes the city so dull and uninspired. Glad these are the next targets for redevelopment.

As for the guy that feels these are like old friends. Anything will feel like a friend when you spend enough time with them. Even a pile of poop

The same could be said for a lot of the older pre-war buildings. They all look pretty much the same - until you actually look at them, which is something you just haven't learned to do yet. All of those buildings that line Park Avenue are similar only in the fact that they are glass towers.

Busy Bee · #**623** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 5:53 PM**

NYguy · #**624** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 6:09 PM**

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq3K6UZh_3f/

Amanita · #**625** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 9:43 PM**

Thanks, NYGuy. Thanks to spending time in NYC, I’ve learned to look at these buildings as individuals, and they look nothing alike- each one is unique. Even the three XYZ Buildings on 6th Avenue aren’t perfect triplets, there’s numerous points of difference. Each one of those buildings has its own unique character, it’s own personality. 277 Park Avenue and 345 Park were both designed by the same architect, but are very different- 277 wears black and silver, having been designed to compliment 270 Park across the street. 345 Park is a whole different thing, clad in ivory precast concrete, with raised patterns for visual interest. Given its light colour and the way it sits back on its Plaza, I think it was designed to contrast with, and yet be a respectful neighbor to Seagram next door.

And since there seems to be some confusion, I’m not a guy. All woman here.

NYguy · #**626** Posted **Dec 4, 2018, 12:10 AM**

^ Of all those buildings that line Park Ave, 245 is the one I like the least.

Meanwhile, this comparison gives us an idea of how much larger the footprint of the new tower will be over the existing one.

Amanita · #**627** Posted **Dec 4, 2018, 12:40 AM**

Even 245 would look good with a reclad. I'd keep the color scheme, but there's lots of things that could replace the brick- anodized metal and tinted glass would give it a fresh update. 277's still owned by the company that originally built it in 1964- Stahl. I think they're proud of it and want to keep it around. It's got work planned for its plaza and base. Once Chase moves out, we might see some newly vacant areas turned into amenity space- it's huge "tail" section with roof decks would be great for that kind of adaptation. 345 is another one I see sticking around- it's 100% leased at the moment, and has kept some of its tenants since the day it was opened back in 1969. 399 has just gotten a reclad, and I think more work is ongoing, and Fisher Brothers plans to give 299 a good going over too. (On my last visit, I noticed that its skin looked really dull in places compared to its twin, 1345 6th Avenue- apparently that's going to be dealt with).

NYguy · #**628** Posted **Dec 4, 2018, 4:24 PM**

As we are gearing up for the beginning of the end, some looks at the current tower...

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/new...n-chase-headquarters-news-photo/94827702

"It's gonna be a big one, folks. Foster really delivered for us."

NYguy · #**629** Posted **Dec 4, 2018, 6:28 PM**

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patriotizzy · #**630** Posted **Dec 4, 2018, 7:21 PM**

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The same could be said for a lot of the older pre-war buildings. They all look pretty much the same - until you actually look at them, which is something you just haven't learned to do yet. All of those buildings that line Park Avenue are similar only in the fact that they are glass towers.

You make no sense. They look pretty much the same until you actually look at them? I am thoroughly confused

Mind clarifying?

Something that I haven't learned to do yet? Please, open my eyes to the truth that is held in your eye. For I am blinded, I do not know nor understand my own senses

I missed the memo that you are the arbiter of truth.

NYguy · #**631** Posted **Dec 5, 2018, 1:17 AM**

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You make no sense. They look pretty much the same until you actually look at them? I am thoroughly confused

Mind clarifying?

I missed the memo that you are the arbiter of truth.

That's too bad. Your argument that all buildings look the same makes no sense. And what I said stands. To say that all glass buildings are the same is like saying all pre-war buildings look the same. They don't. And if you can't see the differences, as Amanita just spelled out above, then you lack the judgement for such things anyway.

NYguy · #**632** Posted **Dec 5, 2018, 2:04 AM**

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq4keM3AHPp/

Amanita · #**633** Posted **Dec 5, 2018, 6:39 AM**

Those Christmas decorations on 299 Park Avenue are adorable. I suspect 270's lobby looks pretty sad this holiday season

And yes, I've greatly enjoyed getting to know the skyscrapers of the international era. They've got a lot going on, to anyone who actually looks.

pico44 · #**634** Posted **Dec 5, 2018, 12:14 PM**

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You make no sense. They look pretty much the same until you actually look at them? I am thoroughly confused

Mind clarifying?

Something that I haven't learned to do yet? Please, open my eyes to the truth that is held in your eye. For I am blinded, I do not know nor understand my own senses

I missed the memo that you are the arbiter of truth.

You are being falsely obtuse solely for the purpose of being unpleasant. It's a bad look. How about you either stop being a prick or get out of here.

NYguy · #**635** Posted **Dec 5, 2018, 5:51 PM**

Just a reminder, the community board hearing is today. It will be interesting just to hear what they have to say regarding the height issue, which isn't on the table at all. I'm sure most won't be too happy about it, especially since that isn't the issue at hand. But the only other option would be for the taller tower. I would like to see if anyone actually argues for that.

patriotizzy · #**636** Posted **Dec 5, 2018, 9:09 PM**

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That's too bad. Your argument that all buildings look the same makes no sense. And what I said stands. To say that all glass buildings are the same is like saying all pre-war buildings look the same. They don't. And if you can't see the differences, as Amanita just spelled out above, then you lack the judgement for such things anyway.

"All of those look almost exactly the same. Makes the city so dull and uninspired. Glad these are the next targets for redevelopment." My argument was regarding the list of these box buildings you had listed in the post I quoted, not "all glass buildings." Just want to make it clear. Reading comprehension seems to be lacking.

No, just because certain building styles look the same, does not mean that automatically a different building style is the same. That is an elementary school level kind of argument.

My judgement is as good as yours. Sorry to break it to you!

Zapatan · #**637** Posted **Dec 5, 2018, 9:32 PM**

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Just a reminder, the community board hearing is today. It will be interesting just to hear what they have to say regarding the height issue, which isn't on the table at all. I'm sure most won't be too happy about it, especially since that isn't the issue at hand. But the only other option would be for the taller tower. I would like to see if anyone actually argues for that.

So is there still a chance for that option? That would be insane

NYguy · #**638** Posted **Dec 6, 2018, 1:15 AM**

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"All of those look almost exactly the same. Makes the city so dull and uninspired. Glad these are the next targets for redevelopment." My argument was regarding the list of these box buildings you had listed in the post I quoted, not "all glass buildings." Just want to make it clear. Reading comprehension seems to be lacking.

No, just because certain building styles look the same, does not mean that automatically a different building style is the same. That is an elementary school level kind of argument.

My judgement is as good as yours. Sorry to break it to you!

NO, your judgement is what's lacking, and you've already been proven wrong. Since you have nothing to add to the discussion at hand, we'll no longer entertain you here. Send all the PMs you like.

NYguy · #**639** Posted **Dec 6, 2018, 1:16 AM**

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So is there still a chance for that option? That would be insane

For the taller tower? They could build that as of right if it's what they wanted. But the whole point is to get those larger floorplates at the base, so that is what they are pushing for.

NYguy · #**640** Posted **Dec 6, 2018, 1:37 AM**

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“This project would enhance JPMorgan Chase’s efficiency and infrastructure, strengthen the newly rezoned East Midtown business district, and will further solidify New York City’s leadership as a global financial center,” said Manhattan Borough President Gale A. Brewer. “I look forward to reviewing the details.”

BP Gale Brewer weighs in on the transfer of Grand Central Terminal's air rights...she has until January to weigh in on the POPS (indoor/outdoor space).