TCH east of Nipigon (La route transcanadienne à l'est de Nipigon)

[Dengler Avenue]

http://www.netnewsledger.com/2018/11/23/nipigon-bridge-now-open-for-four-lanes/

FINALLY!!!!!!

[Dengler Avenue]

http://ckdr.net/news/1743954/preferred-route-identified-first-phase-twinning-highway-17-west

[Dengler Avenue]

Highway 17’s now closed between 72 (Dinorwic) and Ignace due to weather. Detour via 72 and 599 (by Sioux Lookout).

[Dengler Avenue]

https://news.ontario.ca/mndmf/en/2018/11/ontario-creating-jobs-at-nipissing-first-nation.html

I wonder how this is gonna affect twinning of 17 in the future.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://news.ontario.ca/mndmf/en/2018/11/ontario-creating-jobs-at-nipissing-first-nation.html

I wonder how this is gonna affect twinning of 17 in the future.

Likely only that reserve. The others will start demanding things.

[Dengler Avenue]

Interchange with Highway 628 and service roads (for future EDR):
https://imgur.com/a/OLBqwiQ

Nipigon Bypass (unfortunately no interchange at Highway 585; only unidirectional/partial ones at both ends of the business area):
https://imgur.com/a/5jNDLrj
This is to keep the businesses visible from the new freeway.

Most importantly...

Nipigon Second Crossing, interchanges at Railway Street and at Highway 11 Cochrane-bound:
https://imgur.com/a/KgvuWJX
Ps: Keeping the two crossings this close to one another isn't militarily sound.

[Dengler Avenue]

https://arcg.is/1X8ba4

I've completed the design (just for fun) for a controlled-access four-lane Highway 17 between North Bay and SSM.

Surprisingly, it involves 99% realignment and only 1% actual twinning of the current route. Maybe it's because I insist on service roads (for ATV's, snowmobiles, pedestrians and cyclists).

[CityTech]

Aren't there some sections where the MTO has actually already designed a freeway already?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://arcg.is/1X8ba4

I've completed the design (just for fun) for a controlled-access four-lane Highway 17 between North Bay and SSM.

Surprisingly, it involves 99% realignment and only 1% actual twinning of the current route. Maybe it's because I insist on service roads (for ATV's, snowmobiles, pedestrians and cyclists).

A few things....

1) Massey - That sharp corner would be very bad.

2) Highway 108 - Move the 4 lanes further north to allow an exit at the highway.

3) Narin Centre - another sharp curve.

4) Hagar - another sharp curve

5) Sturgeon Falls - yet another sharp curve

6) North Bay - No updated route. MTO has updated route.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by CityTech

Aren't there some sections where the MTO has actually already designed a freeway already?

From what I know, detailed designs have been done for as far west as Denlou. Between Espanola/McKerrow, it’s preliminary design. Then there’s nothing whatsoever from there to turnoff to Joseph Island.
Going east, there are detailed designs from 17/RR 55 (Lively) to Markstay, from North Bay (Duchesne Falls) to Nipissing/Renfrew boundary. In other words, there’s nothing from Markstay to Duschesne Falls.
I don’t know if any detailed design has been done for 17 from Renfrew to Petawawa.

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

A few things....

1) Massey - That sharp corner would be very bad.

2) Highway 108 - Move the 4 lanes further north to allow an exit at the highway.

3) Narin Centre - another sharp curve.

4) Hagar - another sharp curve

5) Sturgeon Falls - yet another sharp curve

6) North Bay - No updated route. MTO has updated route.

Dodging the rocks is hard yo. I thought a 135-degree angle would be fine.
Edit: I just realized that’s not 135 at all. But but but, Highway 17 (4-lane divided) also has one at Bar River and it seems to work fine.

As for Highway 108, I wasn’t too sure what to do with that climbing lane so I drew something weird like that. (I was surprised that a minor highway like 108 gets those lanes too.)

For Hagar, I thought those 2 curves are gentle enough.

For Sturgeon Falls, it could definitely be straighter, but I drew it like that to avoid messing with the wetland in(?) the river.

I actually included the route through North Bay before, but erased it because I wasn’t sure how the freeway would traverse Nipissing 10. Now that I got that figured out, I could put it back in. I haven’t got the time to draw 417 from there to Arnprior yet. I only got to erase my earlier drawing of Cobden Bypass because I got it all wrong.

Ps: I actually did something for NWO when I was trying to figure out how to slip in a freeway around, and a second crossing at, Nipigon without wrecking havoc on its business area.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

From what I know, detailed designs have been done for as far west as Denlou. Between Espanola/McKerrow, it’s preliminary design. Then there’s nothing whatsoever from there to turnoff to Joseph Island.
Going east, there are detailed designs from 17/RR 55 (Lively) to Markstay, from North Bay (Duchesne Falls) to Nipissing/Renfrew boundary. In other words, there’s nothing from Markstay to Duschesne Falls.
I don’t know if any detailed design has been done for 17 from Renfrew to Petawawa.

Dodging the rocks is hard yo.

I actually included the route through North Bay before, but erased it because I wasn’t sure how the freeway would traverse Nipissing 10. Now that I got that figured out, I could put it back in.

Ps: I actually did something for NWO when I was trying to figure out how to slip in a freeway around, and a second crossing at, Nipigon without wrecking havoc on its business area.

Look at Maley Drive. They are simply blasting rocks and using it to fill the swamps.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Look at Maley Drive. They are simply blasting rocks and using it to fill the swamps.

That’s true. Darn that means I have to redo a lot of segments then.

[Dengler Avenue]

Oh yea I forgot to mention that the weird-looking segment west of Massey is intended as a compromise, since most if not all small towns along the highway will fight tooth and nail to kill their bypasses.

The political roadblock is big here: small towns along the highway, property owners along the highway (I suspect this is why Cobden Bypass looks so excessive), FN’s (We are really at their mercy) and opposition in Queen’s Park (“Why the waste of money?!”).

[Dengler Avenue]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2231075007170270&id=2094158200861952

Key: Among the fatal crashes, none of the offending vehicles had winter tires on them.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2231075007170270&id=2094158200861952

Key: Among the fatal crashes, none of the offending vehicles had winter tires on them.

I wonder, has the accidents gone down in QC since the mandatory winter tire law was enacted?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

I wonder, has the accidents gone down in QC since the mandatory winter tire law was enacted?

That’s a good question.

I guess it also depends on how steep the slopes are.

Remember that video about a snow day in Montréal where all sorts of vehicles (buses, passenger vehicles, construction vehicles, police cruisers) slid down that slope?

Jokes aside, maybe we can shoot Acajack a message and ask him.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

That’s a good question.

I guess it also depends on how steep the slopes are.

Remember that video about a snow day in Montréal where all sorts of vehicles (buses, passenger vehicles, construction vehicles, police cruisers) slid down that slope?

Jokes aside, maybe we can shoot Acajack a message and ask him.

You mean this one?

• Video Link

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by roger1818

You mean this one?

• Video Link

Oh yes

[Dengler Avenue]

Has anyone ever noticed this irony?

Where 17 has high AADT, there are few passing lanes. Where AADT is low, though, there are tons of them.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Has anyone ever noticed this irony?

Where 17 has high AADT, there are few passing lanes. Where AADT is low, though, there are tons of them.

I'm pretty sure it is often because the busier sections have more intersections and passing lanes don't really work. It's better to have four lanes in that case with turning lanes. And of course maybe a freeway.