YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes, on the China side.... but Canada still hasn’t raised its ceiling on allowable frequencies to the Chinese airlines... so that’s the roadblock on this end. Until that is raised, there are only 3 frequencies available for HU only.

Other airline can also adjust schedule and free up frequencies to apply for new routes. So.. other airlines may already got some adjustment plan ready... I can't imagine CA will let this opportunity go for PEK-YYZ, while CZ already planned to turn the new Beijing airport into their new fortress hub...

As for TSN-SZX route.. I believe the subsidy requirement is 2x weekly frequency, and they get the same amount of money regardless of them running 2x or 20x weekly flights. So I don't see them increasing the service unless it's doing very very well..?

EDIT: YVR-TSN seems no longer bookable after Jan 25?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Other airline can also adjust schedule and free up frequencies to apply for new routes. So.. other airlines may already got some adjustment plan ready... I can't imagine CA will let this opportunity go for PEK-YYZ, while CZ already planned to turn the new Beijing airport into their new fortress hub...

As for TSN-SZX route.. I believe the subsidy requirement is 2x weekly frequency, and they get the same amount of money regardless of them running 2x or 20x weekly flights. So I don't see them increasing the service unless it's doing very very well..?

EDIT: YVR-TSN seems no longer bookable after Jan 25?

The number of frequencies allocated were to specific airlines on the Canadian side. Therefore, only Hainan will have unused frequencies. All other Chinese airlines have maxed out their frequencies. No one can use the three frequencies except for Hainan. I suppose Hainan could give those allotments to someone else but who knows!

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The number of frequencies allocated were to specific airlines on the Canadian side. Therefore, only Hainan will have unused frequencies. All other Chinese airlines have maxed out their frequencies. No one can use the three frequencies except for Hainan. I suppose Hainan could give those allotments to someone else but who knows!

I mean, for example, CA move 5 of the PEK-YVR frequency to PEK-YYZ, or CZ move 5 of the CAN-YVR frequency to ZBAD*-YVR

In fact, the only way the authority will accept application at PEK now will be through this kind of reallocation. Direct application for new service or increase frequency will be rejected until the middle of next year due to the poor OTP of the airport. This applies to foreign airlines too.

* = still waiting for official IATA code...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

I mean, for example, CA move 5 of the PEK-YVR frequency to PEK-YYZ, or CZ move 5 of the CAN-YVR frequency to ZBAD*-YVR

In fact, the only way the authority will accept application at PEK now will be through this kind of reallocation. Direct application for new service or increase frequency will be rejected until the middle of next year due to the poor OTP of the airport. This applies to foreign airlines too.

* = still waiting for official IATA code...

Of course but I highly doubt they would drop YVR frequencies. Or perhaps reduce YVR to daily in the summer (from 12 weekly) and deploy the 747-8i on YVR-PEK.

Looks like Shenzhen is still bookable perhaps they are going to go there nonstop instead of via Tianjin. Tianjin really seemed to be more of an experiment anyway. Despite its large population really quite close to PEK. Less than 90 minutes by car or coach.

[Johnny Aussie]

Saw a post on Twitter... MU will be deploying their new A350s on the YVR-PVG Route.

Other longhaul destinations are SYD, AMS and FRA.

This will bring F-Class and will be a decent capacity boost.

No date mentioned.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Of course but I highly doubt they would drop YVR frequencies. Or perhaps reduce YVR to daily in the summer (from 12 weekly) and deploy the 747-8i on YVR-PEK.

Looks like Shenzhen is still bookable perhaps they are going to go there nonstop instead of via Tianjin. Tianjin really seemed to be more of an experiment anyway. Despite its large population really quite close to PEK. Less than 90 minutes by car or coach.

Yeah CA can move the summer-only 2nd flight to YYZ and use those frequencies year-round, and upgauge YVR flight to 748.

CZ can move 5x weekly new Beijing airport and upgauge to 388 (they still trying to find more work for their 388, currently only used for LAX, AMS, and domestic short-hual)

Route right meant alot for Chinese airlines, so it's quite likely they'll sacrifice something to fight for it... and the grading scheme made it clear that applying a route with 1 or 2 weekly will score very badly

As for Shenzhen... maybe it's still one-stop but via a different city?

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Saw a post on Twitter... MU will be deploying their new A350s on the YVR-PVG Route.

Other longhaul destinations are SYD, AMS and FRA.

This will bring F-Class and will be a decent capacity boost.

No date mentioned.

Wasn't their plan to run 77Ws on YVR-PVG in the summer? If that is what they did this would be a hit to capacity, unless it is replacing the Nanjing runs which I doubt given the F class.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Wasn't their plan to run 77Ws on YVR-PVG in the summer? If that is what they did this would be a hit to capacity, unless it is replacing the Nanjing runs which I doubt given the F class.

Nope that was a summer 2017 thing which was scheduled only for one month. Summer 2018 was all 332. The visual posted showed PVG-YVR connected not NKG.

[nname]

This had been circling as rumors for a while, but now made to the news... WUH announce plan to start service to several long-hual destinations by 2020, and both YVR and YYZ are included in the list.

Based on recent agreement with the airliner, CZ is the most likely airline to run this service... How they going to do it without more frequency though? Move a few weekly service to CAN-WUH-YVR, similar to SFO??

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by BennyG102

What about Tianjin Airlines with service to Vancouver? Chongqing route a possibility for Vancouver by Hainan Airlines?

Could happen... basically the Hainan group has 3 frequencies to play with...

[SpongeG]

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[Johnny Aussie]

Westjet has added additional flights to OGG over the Xmas period.
WS will be operating 17-18 flights per week over the peak.
The additional flights depart YVR at 1100.

On those days YVR-Hawaii will have 12 flights.

Also AM seems to have added even more flights to MEX with most days during the Xmas peak seeing 3 flights per day now... up to 6 flights per day to MEX between AM, AC and 4O.
Interjet has boosted its flights as well to both MEX ame CUN. CUN also seeing some days with 6 flights between 4O, AC, WS, TS and WG.

[CloudInspector]

Originally Posted by BennyG102

No surprise! 1st Domestic destination for the WestJet 787-9 Dreamliner plane is on Calgary Toronto route, starting sometime in February 2019.

Probably a good plan to keep it close to home during the teething phase. Guess they learned from the 767 rollout!

[excel]

Originally Posted by CloudInspector

Probably a good plan to keep it close to home during the teething phase. Guess they learned from the 767 rollout!

They did the domestic routes first with the 767 as well. A certain amount of hours must be flown on the aircraft before the airline can be awarded its type specific ETOPS rating.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by CloudInspector

Probably a good plan to keep it close to home during the teething phase. Guess they learned from the 767 rollout!

Not so much teething issues as crew training.

Originally Posted by excel

They did the domestic routes first with the 767 as well. A certain amount of hours must be flown on the aircraft before the airline can be awarded its type specific ETOPS rating.

WS already operates the 767 and 737 on ETOPS 120/180 flights to Europe and Hawaii. Therefore WestJet has already established and demonstrated that the processes necessary for successful ETOPS operations are in place.

Meaning that with the 787, they have most likely already applied for accelerated ETOPS approval, which can be obtained in less than 3 months after the new frame is in service.

[nname]

Originally Posted by nname

And adding domestic rotation will NOT solve the issue with MEL. Currently the route need one extra frame for only about 10 hours every week, and there is no spare 789 lying around to run those 10 hours because all other 789s based in YVR are doing daily runs and they are all in the sky at that time. So either one of the weekly to MEL will need to be shifted by 12 hours (which is something AC haven't done for any of their routes I believe?), or one of the 789 route need to be reduced to 6x weekly.

... and the MEL puzzle also solved.

AC18 TPE-YVR reduced to x1
AC26 PVG-YVR 77W -> 789

AC532 YVR-BOS now reduced to Jun1 to Sep15

AC970 YVR-PVR 7M8 -> 320

[SpongeG]

I spent about 2 hours on a layover at YCC, Calgary today, there is so much wasted space there its just ridiculous how big it is and post security has crap offerings, the few sit down places are packed. Pre-security has a Chick Fil A, I didn't even know they were in Canada, I couldn't leave as I didn't want to go through all the hassle. At least the renos seem to be done and its better than it was but what a weird place

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

... and the MEL puzzle also solved.

AC18 TPE-YVR reduced to x1
AC26 PVG-YVR 77W -> 789

AC532 YVR-BOS now reduced to Jun1 to Sep15

AC970 YVR-PVR 7M8 -> 320

And there you go! Things always have a way of working themselves out.

PVG continues to flip flop back and forth.

I think Asia is slowly settling to a more decent balance of capacity. Even tweaking one flight a week out of a daily schedule can boost profitability.

The BOS schedule seems to be about the same as last summer? This is definitely a route that would do well in peak summer and the 3 1/2 months seems to fit the pattern.

BTW love your updates... keep them coming!

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

And there you go! Things always have a way of working themselves out.

PVG continues to flip flop back and forth.

I think Asia is slowly settling to a more decent balance of capacity. Even tweaking one flight a week out of a daily schedule can boost profitability.

The BOS schedule seems to be about the same as last summer? This is definitely a route that would do well in peak summer and the 3 1/2 months seems to fit the pattern.

BTW love your updates... keep them coming!

BOS had a ~May15 start this year.

There are more this week... but AC's site are super slow right now

Most of this weeks update seems to be focused on YYZ though:
- YYZ-BOS now mainline and taking up pretty much all of the remaining unused 500s number
- YYZ-SFO, YYZ-YOW, YYZ-YYT upgauge
- 7th daily YYZ-LAX
- 763 operating YYZ-YEG, YYZ-YOW

No change for YVR-YYZ so far.

Doesn't seems like AC is retiring E90 and 763...

Express changes:
AC8176 YXJ-YVR x7 -> daily
AC8182 YXJ-YVR 12345 -> x6
AC8188 YXJ-YVR --> *moved to AC8180*


I guess... YUL changes next week??

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by nname

... and the MEL puzzle also solved.

AC18 TPE-YVR reduced to x1
AC26 PVG-YVR 77W -> 789

AC532 YVR-BOS now reduced to Jun1 to Sep15

AC970 YVR-PVR 7M8 -> 320

Where is that 77W going?

Last year it was moved to AC864 which I doubt will happen this summer.