Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion - Page 965

Sheba · #**19281** Posted **Nov 30, 2018, 7:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Kisai

The wristband is a good idea but it's going to have limited appeal since nobody is going to want to wear one of those all day if they do any work at all. It's likely to have more appeal for tourists/conventions and people who include transit as part of their athletic routine (eg taking the bus or skytrain to/from a gym) as it won't get lost when shuffling bags around.

That said, obviously the Compass card vending machines can't vend these. So I wonder how they plan to sell them? Maybe in actual vending machines?

It's also a good idea for some people with disabilities who have trouble tapping. It's probably cheaper per wristband to make 1000 of them than it is to make 100 of them.

They'll sell them at Stadium Station of course. I'm not sure if they have another office that's easily accessible to the public.

aberdeen5698 · #**19282** Posted **Nov 30, 2018, 3:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kisai

That said, obviously the Compass card vending machines can't vend these. So I wonder how they plan to sell them? Maybe in actual vending machines?

Since London Drugs has agreed to host Compass machines it wouldn't surprise me at all if you'd be able to buy them at their service counter. The same might go for other stores that used to sell FareCards, such as Safeway, etc.

WarrenC12 · #**19283** Posted **Nov 30, 2018, 4:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Since London Drugs has agreed to host Compass machines it wouldn't surprise me at all if you'd be able to buy them at their service counter. The same might go for other stores that used to sell FareCards, such as Safeway, etc.

The only place that sells Concession Compass Cards is the service center, with its long lineups and limited hours. Really annoying to get a card for my son the other day.

As for wallets and contact cards, this could be improved if they'd allow NFC phones to be used as tap devices.

AverageJoe · #**19284** Posted **Nov 30, 2018, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Since London Drugs has agreed to host Compass machines it wouldn't surprise me at all if you'd be able to buy them at their service counter. The same might go for other stores that used to sell FareCards, such as Safeway, etc.

Hoping to see the day that stores like London Drugs will be able to take Compass payments for purchases as well. I really like how in Hong Kong I was able to use Octopus in various places as all the different bus systems, MTR, parking lots, 7-Eleven, McDonalds, Circle K, Starbucks...

Sheba · #**19285** Posted **Nov 30, 2018, 5:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Since London Drugs has agreed to host Compass machines it wouldn't surprise me at all if you'd be able to buy them at their service counter. The same might go for other stores that used to sell FareCards, such as Safeway, etc.

From The Buzzer Blog:

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Want to get your hands on your very own Compass Wristband? Visit the Compass Customer Service Centre at Stadium–Chinatown Station (Monday – Friday 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m.) or the West Coast Express Office in Waterfront Station (Monday – Friday 6:45 a.m. to 6 p.m.) to pick up a wristband while supplies last.

NewfBC · #**19286** Posted **Nov 30, 2018, 7:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by AverageJoe

Hoping to see the day that stores like London Drugs will be able to take Compass payments for purchases as well. I really like how in Hong Kong I was able to use Octopus in various places as all the different bus systems, MTR, parking lots, 7-Eleven, McDonalds, Circle K, Starbucks...

This will never happen. Translink will not 'eat' the cost for accepting credit card payments to convert to cash.

You notice in Hong Kong you have to use cash to add to your card?

Ron.

bardak · #**19287** Posted **Nov 30, 2018, 8:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The only place that sells Concession Compass Cards is the service center, with its long lineups and limited hours. Really annoying to get a card for my son the other day.

As for wallets and contact cards, this could be improved if they'd allow NFC phones to be used as tap devices.

I'm almost positive that London Drugs sells concession compass cards.

Actually according to Translink they do.

Firebrand · #**19288** Posted **Dec 1, 2018, 5:59 PM**

Here's the link from the TransLink Board meeting.

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documen..._Public_Board_Meeting_Report_Package.pdf

WestCoastEcho · #**19289** Posted **Dec 2, 2018, 4:17 AM**

I've got a gut feeling that is telling me that the new Compass wristbands will sell out in about 3 days tops. Probably faster. People are going to love the convenience factor here, and Translink is going to have to order tons more.

Waders · #**19290** Posted **Dec 2, 2018, 4:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by WestCoastEcho

I've got a gut feeling that is telling me that the new Compass wristbands will sell out in about 3 days tops. Probably faster. People are going to love the convenience factor here, and Translink is going to have to order tons more.

3 days? I think it will be sold out in a few hours on Monday.

CanSpice · #**19291** Posted **Dec 2, 2018, 6:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by WestCoastEcho

I've got a gut feeling that is telling me that the new Compass wristbands will sell out in about 3 days tops. Probably faster. People are going to love the convenience factor here, and Translink is going to have to order tons more.

After going through YVR and having to dig out my Compass Card while wrangling my rolling luggage I really would have liked to have had a Compass wristband.

cganuelas1995 · #**19292** Posted **Dec 2, 2018, 9:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by WestCoastEcho

I've got a gut feeling that is telling me that the new Compass wristbands will sell out in about 3 days tops. Probably faster. People are going to love the convenience factor here, and Translink is going to have to order tons more.

Transit riders: "Hey we can pay for things with our phones. Can we have something that convenient for Compass?"

Translink: "Sure have some wristbands!"

Firebrand · #**19293** Posted **Dec 2, 2018, 10:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Transit riders: "Hey we can pay for things with our phones. Can we have something that convenient for Compass?"

Translink: "Sure have some wristbands!"

The problem with integrating Compass to smart watches is that they have to decrypt the card. They also have to ask the manufacturer for permission to integrate said card. It just makes it easier for hackers to avoid paying for fare zones. (They can either program the RFID chip to have unlimited amount of money or it can bypass the fare zones altogether.) It’s the reason why it can still count the amount of money deducted while traveling between zones even if the tracker control system is down.

Mac Write · #**19294** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 2:42 AM**

Hackers can also re-program the Compass cards NFC and RFID are not secure period.

SpongeG · #**19295** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 7:55 AM**

Not to go off topic but in Australia, one of the banks has a ring that you can get to make "tap" purchases.

cganuelas1995 · #**19296** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 9:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

The problem with integrating Compass to smart watches is that they have to decrypt the card. They also have to ask the manufacturer for permission to integrate said card. It just makes it easier for hackers to avoid paying for fare zones. (They can either program the RFID chip to have unlimited amount of money or it can bypass the fare zones altogether.) It’s the reason why it can still count the amount of money deducted while traveling between zones even if the tracker control system is down.

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Originally Posted by Mac Write

Hackers can also re-program the Compass cards NFC and RFID are not secure period.

I think the problem comes down to the fact that Compass cards are stored-value, meaning one could probably fashion out an RFID reader/writer and change what they have on their card, like add money or a 3 zone or whatever. If there's an alternative to that technology, where the card is just an ID number that goes to the users Compass card account on a secure database, they should use that instead. Might cost a few bucks, relatively speaking.

p_xavier · #**19297** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 2:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mac Write

Hackers can also re-program the Compass cards NFC and RFID are not secure period.

As a security engineer in smartcards, I would like to know why such cards are not secure? They have strong encryption protocols that have not been hacked, and cards are updated with recent cryptographic updates. It would be the same as saying the internet as a whole is not secure, nonsense.

Waders · #**19298** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 3:45 PM**

Extremely long lineup at Translink Customer Service Center for the Compass wristband.

ilikeredheads · #**19299** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 8:05 PM**

people sure love lining up in the cold for free stuff lol

Migrant_Coconut · #**19300** Posted **Dec 3, 2018, 8:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

people sure love lining up in the cold for free stuff lol

Don't say "free stuff," or the line will get even longer.