Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

BTW... @ roger1818 , your post does not seem to have a link to your reference - I would indeed love to see it. Thx.

There seem to be intermittent issues with the link to that picture. Here is the link to the original page with the picture:

http://www.railpictures.ca/upload/cn-368...rating-mid-train-is-older-es44dc-cn-2294

[Kitchissippi]

I don't get why the entrance doors to Tunney's Pasture say "To all trains" and "Exit", which are redundant and useless information. If you're entering the station it obviously leads to the trains (plus it's a terminus station for a few years so there's only one direction you can take the trains to), and if you're outside, why would you be looking for an exit? In line with all the signs above the entrance doors in other stations, shouldn't it simply say "Tunney's Pasture"?

Edit: OK, I get it now, they're on the doors from the bus fare paid zone.

[J.OT13]

From the Great Canadian Transit thread. The Orange Line is overcrowded. These kinds of stories make me worry that the Confederation might not have the capacity to handle the rising volumes. I understand that Ottawa is not Montreal, but they have two lines through downtown with a total capacity of 80,000 phpd. We have one of 24,000 phpd.

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

It's also a joke compared to Montréal. The Orange Line is overcrowded. There are STM security agents to direct trafic during the rush hour at Berri-Uqam. People have to wait 4 or 5 trains before boarding.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-n...ers-wait-to-cram-onto-overcrowded-trains

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

From the Great Canadian Transit thread. The Orange Line is overcrowded. These kinds of stories make me worry that the Confederation might not have the capacity to handle the rising volumes. I understand that Ottawa is not Montreal, but they have two lines through downtown with a total capacity of 80,000 phpd. We have one of 24,000 phpd.

They also have 4x the metro population.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by acottawa

They also have 4x the metro population.

4x the population, 4x the transit capacity. More than 4x really because the have EXO and soon the REM. If anything, that proves my point.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

From the Great Canadian Transit thread. The Orange Line is overcrowded. These kinds of stories make me worry that the Confederation might not have the capacity to handle the rising volumes. I understand that Ottawa is not Montreal, but they have two lines through downtown with a total capacity of 80,000 phpd. We have one of 24,000 phpd.

I imagine once Phase 2 is built out, there may be congestion again on the Central "LRT branch". This would then lead to a good reason to uninterline the lines. That would mean constructing another LRT through the CBD that would take some of the pressure off the common section.

[lrt's friend]

First, Montreal is 3 X the size of Ottawa, not 4 X.

If the Confederation Line becomes congested downtown, eliminating the west end branch interlining buys us only a little time before a second line is needed. What we need to be more concerned is dumping Gatineau passengers onto the Confederation Line. This was specifically not considered when the Confederation Line was designed. It will be more cost efficient to get people off the Confederation Line who are travelling a short distance. Why? Trying to build a second line all the way from Lincoln Fields will cost several billion. We have already built the cheap route. Building a second route from Bayview or even a subway from Billings Bridge will cost less.

[J.OT13]

Pimisi Art Work



Bayview



Parliament



uOttawa



Tremblay





https://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/news/construction-update-202/

Pimisi, Bayview and Tunney's in the distance


https://twitter.com/VVampoo/status/1066552565234458624

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

First, Montreal is 3 X the size of Ottawa, not 4 X.
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I'd say it's somewhere between 3x and 4x.

[J.OT13]

Based on the 2016 census, if we're looking at the metropolitan area, Montréal is 3.096 times larger than Ottawa, to be precise.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

From the Great Canadian Transit thread. The Orange Line is overcrowded. These kinds of stories make me worry that the Confederation might not have the capacity to handle the rising volumes. I understand that Ottawa is not Montreal, but they have two lines through downtown with a total capacity of 80,000 phpd. We have one of 24,000 phpd.

Originally Posted by J.OT13

4x the population, 4x the transit capacity. More than 4x really because the have EXO and soon the REM. If anything, that proves my point.

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Based on the 2016 census, if we're looking at the metropolitan area, Montréal is 3.096 times larger than Ottawa, to be precise.

Ridership does not scale linearly with population. It's modal share that tends to scale linearly with population. Which means ridership is more of an exponential curve. So that 3x size difference is a virtual chasm when talking about transit ridership.

Also, what determines overcrowding is also ridership patterns. Ottawa, tends to have less downtown centric employment with the way the feds distribute jobs throughout the city.

In any event, let's see ridership after launch before we start fretting about saturation. There's plenty of time to plan another line through the core if needed.

[OCCheetos]

The Confederation Line is now in OC Transpo's trip planner if you select a date of March 16, 2019 or later (a Saturday). Edit: it only shows up for a handful of days after the 16th.
http://plan.octranspo.com/plan/RouteSche...RouteKey=1~~Direction2&ShowOptions=false

Similarly, if you try to look up route timetables, they only let you select dates up until March 15, 2019, but editing the url can give you a timetable for the Confederation Line on March 16.
http://www.octranspo.com/routes?lang=en&date=20190316&rte=1

Edit: It's just a placeholder for testing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Treplow]

Is there any possibility of a future direct/underground connection to the NAC from Parliament station?

[Gat-Train]

Originally Posted by Treplow

Is there any possibility of a future direct/underground connection to the NAC from Parliament station?

From Rideau might be more practical, as from Parliament you have to cross the canal

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Gat-Train

From Rideau might be more practical, as from Parliament you have to cross the canal

You have it backwards. The NAC is west of the canal. The Government Conference Centre (the old Union Station) is east of the canal and closer to Rideau.

https://goo.gl/maps/kGqrz7u9Pkn

[Treplow]

Originally Posted by roger1818

You have it backwards. The NAC is west of the canal. The Government Conference Centre (the old Union Station) is east of the canal and closer to Rideau.

https://goo.gl/maps/kGqrz7u9Pkn

Yeah, it's been over 20 years since I've lived in Ottawa but that's how I remembered it. Looking at that Google Maps link it would be a pretty lengthy subterranean passageway between the NAC and Parliament Station. An underground city/complex similar to Place des Arts metro in Montreal would probably be required.

[zzptichka]

Just not the underground passage, thank you very much.
Instead, Rideau-NAC could become a nice 5-minute 300-meter promenade. Remove that ridiculous ramp with the tunnel by the Union Station, beautify Rideau and Elgin(it's not bad as it is right now already) and there you have it.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Treplow

Is there any possibility of a future direct/underground connection to the NAC from Parliament station?

Without providing news articles from years ago, here's the history:

- Original Rideau Station was under Confederation Square and featured a connection to the NAC and old Union Station;
- City realigned the deep, cross-country CBD alignment to under Queen;
- Next logical step months later was to move Rideau Station to under Rideau Street in order to have a slightly shallower station, reduce the grade from the CBD to Rideau and bring riders closer to the Rideau Centre and Byward Market, both bigger ridership generators than the NAC;
- Developer Jeff Gillin expressed his disappointment and offered up a million dollars to help fund a pedestrian tunnel from Parliament Station to the NAC. He brought up the idea of shifting Parliament Station closer to Elgin or adding a third CBD Station;
- City says both shifting Parliament Station or adding a third station would be too expensive;
- City promises to add study for pedestrian tunnel from Parliament to NAC as part of request for proposal;
- City later says a tunnel would be upwards of $20 million, drops the idea even if the study is (supposedly) part of the RTG contract.

The only plausible way to maybe, possibly connect the NAC to the subway would be through Rideau by reviving an old late 80s, early 90s NCC plan to build pedestrian tunnels between the NAC, old Union and the Congress Centre. That plan was briefly discussed again when the new Convention Centre was under construction, but that went nowhere.

Maybe in 10 years when the Aylmer LRT terminates at Rideau and we can discuss a more public use for old Union can we also once again include plans for underground pedestrian walkways between these three key buildings.

[Aylmer]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Just not the underground passage, thank you very much.
Instead, Rideau-NAC could become a nice 5-minute 300-meter promenade. Remove that ridiculous ramp with the tunnel by the Union Station, beautify Rideau and Elgin(it's not bad as it is right now already) and there you have it.

This. I agree with this wholeheartedly. That whole area is the nexus of pedestrian connections between Lowertown/Market/Rideau and Downtown. I strongly believe that a more pleasant, natural walk between the two will help the Market/Rideau Ctr's activity spill into places like Sparks.

[Treplow]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Without providing news articles from years ago, here's the history:

- Original Rideau Station was under Confederation Square and featured a connection to the NAC and old Union Station;
- City realigned the deep, cross-country CBD alignment to under Queen;
- Next logical step months later was to move Rideau Station to under Rideau Street in order to have a slightly shallower station, reduce the grade from the CBD to Rideau and bring riders closer to the Rideau Centre and Byward Market, both bigger ridership generators than the NAC;
- Developer Jeff Gillin expressed his disappointment and offered up a million dollars to help fund a pedestrian tunnel from Parliament Station to the NAC. He brought up the idea of shifting Parliament Station closer to Elgin or adding a third CBD Station;
- City says both shifting Parliament Station or adding a third station would be too expensive;
- City promises to add study for pedestrian tunnel from Parliament to NAC as part of request for proposal;
- City later says a tunnel would be upwards of $20 million, drops the idea even if the study is (supposedly) part of the RTG contract.

The only plausible way to maybe, possibly connect the NAC to the subway would be through Rideau by reviving an old late 80s, early 90s NCC plan to build pedestrian tunnels between the NAC, old Union and the Congress Centre. That plan was briefly discussed again when the new Convention Centre was under construction, but that went nowhere.

Maybe in 10 years when the Aylmer LRT terminates at Rideau and we can discuss a more public use for old Union can we also once again include plans for underground pedestrian walkways between these three key buildings.

Thanks for the summary, much appreciated. Shame it appears a tunnel is unfeasible at this time - while I agree that a surface promenade would be more pleasant, people taking transit to an NAC show on Tuesday night in February probably wouldn't.