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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 9:08 PM
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Someone or some entity has appealed to the local planning tribunal formerly the Ontario Municipal board. Usually it means some one objects to the zoning approval. You have to search the Ontario local planning tribunal Web site to find out the nature of the appeal.

Project will be on hold till a hearing is held and a decision made by the local planning tribunal. This could take 3 to 6 months or more.
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 9:47 PM
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I wonder if MOOSE has anything to do with it. They were unhappy about how rushed the approval was and they also wanted an eastern bypass track around Bayview station considered.
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The Lebreton lawsuit may hold this up too....
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2018, 2:23 PM
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you have to think this project is going nowhere until the Ruddy-Melnyk Lawsuits are resolved.

Very unfortunate, and now we know in part why construction did not start.

Watson must be livid about all this. We're sitting on 2 LRT stations in a windswept field.

I would suppose claridges 45 storey lebreton proposal is the most likely one now to be started on first.
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I'm not sure I understand why the collapse of the Lebreton proposal would affect the timing of the Trinity project.
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I'm not sure I understand why the collapse of the Lebreton proposal would affect the timing of the Trinity project.
Trinity is getting sued by Melnyk for $700 millions and the zoning by law amendment was appealed. Things may take a while to be fixed.
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I'm not sure I understand why the collapse of the Lebreton proposal would affect the timing of the Trinity project.
Melnyk is suing Trinity/Ruddy over THIS project. Claiming Trinity used insider information for the Trinity Centre project. (I think it's that Melynk wanted a piece of this project, but since it wasn't including in the Flats deal Trinity said no, and Melnyk got pissed)
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Found it interesting that Trinity's proposal for 900 Albert actually has less building area proposed than the approved zoning. I assume the residential towers have smaller floorplates than the previously proposed 30 floor office towers.

The existing zoning also permits 132.5m and 122.5 metre buildings, which would be 38-41 storey residential buildings based on the 3.25m floor height Trinity is using, or 43-47 floors based on 2.825m floor heights in some of the recent Claridge buildings...

2012 zoning - 130,064 square metres gross floor area (page 3 of report)
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycou...%20ACS2012-PAI-PGM-0196%20-%20Albert.pdf

2018 proposal - 129,894 square metres gross floor area (page 6 of report). The proposed zoning keeps the existing 130,064 square metres floor area cap.
http://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/agdocs.aspx?doctype=agenda&itemid=375934

Maybe Trinity could have technically fit just as many units without needing to ask for any height increases
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2018, 10:21 PM
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Just listened to Jim Watson's interview on the radio. According to Jim, in his view, the Lebreton lawsuit shouldn't affect Trinity's development of 900 Albert since they're two separate projects.

Finally something positive in this whole debacle.
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I would rather have LeBreton than 900 Albert.
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I prefer 900 Albert than the Rendez Vous Lebreton's vision.
Please, Build these 3 majestic tower for Ottawa
Could the construction still kick off by 2019?
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I will admit I think the ever-increasing hight limits considering the context of the glut in development property- Zibi, the flats, the Otrain corridor, Tunney's Master Plan- in the area, was not prudent. I think 45 floors would have been more in keeping with the CDP.
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I will admit I think the ever-increasing hight limits considering the context of the glut in development property- Zibi, the flats, the Otrain corridor, Tunney's Master Plan- in the area, was not prudent. I think 45 floors would have been more in keeping with the CDP.
If we're being optimistic, maybe all these developments will encourage the city to put a hard stop on approving any new developments outside the greenbelt. And while they're at it, maybe it will give them some courage to keep voting "no" on all future votes on expanding the urban boundary for the next 10-15 years.
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900 Albert Street: gateway for a $700 million lawsuit

James Bagnall, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: December 17, 2018




How did 900 Albert St. — a three-acre triangle on the western fringes of downtown Ottawa — emerge as such a potentially destructive force for LeBreton Flats?

The address is the site of a former train yard and snow dump and until very recently was criss-crossed by sewer pipes. It is now the focal point of a $700-million lawsuit launched on Nov. 23 by Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk against Trinity Development founder John Ruddy and others. Ruddy is expected later this month to file a statement of defence and, possibly, a counterclaim.

Before Ruddy shelled out $22.8 million three years ago to acquire control of 900 Albert St., the property had had a succession of owners: CP Rail, the city, the federal government’s National Capital Commission and DCR Phoenix, a private firm.

Ruddy’s timing was the best. The Ottawa real-estate entrepreneur saw a lot of value in the site’s proximity to the future Bayview station on Ottawa’s light rail transit line — especially with the LRT due to open this spring.

Ruddy’s plan, approved by city council last summer, is to build three towers capable of accommodating nearly 1,300 apartments, along with offices and retail stores — about 1.4 million square feet in total. His projected opening date for the $400-million complex: summer of 2022.

Except now there’s this legal mess.

Melnyk is suing Trinity and others, alleging the 900 Albert St. project will render uneconomic the much bigger transformation underway at LeBreton Flats.

Which on the face of it is odd, because Melnyk and Ruddy are the two main partners of RendezVous LeBreton, the group negotiating with the NCC for the right to create a community on the Flats. The $4-billion, 20-year-long project is to include 4,400 condominiums, as well as office buildings, retail outlets and public spaces — with an NHL arena at its core.

The inference in Melnyk’s litigation appears to be that Ruddy is willing to undercut his own stake in RendezVous LeBreton.

Why would Ruddy do this? Melnyk alleges it’s in Trinity Development’s interest to fill apartments first at 900 Albert before marketing residential units slated for LeBreton. This, in turn, Melnyk asserts, makes it more difficult for him to finance the construction of the arena, which is meant to be hosting NHL games as early as 2022 under RendezVous LeBreton plans.

A look at the detailed timelines of the two projects gives an idea of what Ruddy’s rebuttal could be.

Set aside for now the duelling real-estate forecasts offered by PwC and Urbanation — the consultants hired by Melnyk and Ruddy, respectively. At heart, the split within RendezVous LeBreton is rooted in lack of personal trust.

Start first with the very short history between Melnyk and Ruddy who, according to the litigation, met for the first time on Oct. 30, 2014. Cyril Leeder, then the chief operating officer of the Ottawa Senators, had suggested forming a team to respond to the NCC’s recent decision to open up the Flats for development.

Melnyk’s statement of claim suggested that at that meeting he discussed the idea of collaborating with five partners, with Trinity Development being considered for its experience in retail. The subject of 900 Albert St. came up. The litigation said Ruddy outlined his plans to build 1.5 million square feet of residential, retail and office space there.

However, provincial land registry records show that Trinity did not acquire its substantial majority share (90 per cent) of 900 Albert St. until early February 2015. So, while Ruddy may have outlined his plans for the site in October 2014, he was likely not yet able to act upon them.

In any case, Melnyk seems to have been aware of the 900 Albert St. development from the beginning. So was Leeder, who handled negotiations with Trinity during much of 2015 and early 2016 — notably during a stretch when Melnyk was preparing for and recovering from his May 2015 liver transplant. According to a close Senators colleague, not only was Leeder familiar with 900 Albert, he also viewed development there as net benefit for the LeBreton project because he believed it would help lift the local economy.

In April 2015 RendezVous LeBreton became one of four teams qualified to bid on the LeBreton project, prompting the Senators and Trinity in July to sign a non-binding teaming agreement.

Melnyk alleges he signed only after he received assurances from Ruddy that the 900 Albert St. project “would not compete with” LeBreton. He said Trinity would serve as the “exclusive” development partner at LeBreton, responsible for office buildings, retailing and residences. Melnyk would look after most of the financing for the arena and sports entertainment venues.

Melnyk’s suit does not make clear how the various revenue streams — rents, ticket prices, parking, condominium sales — are to be split.

RendezVous LeBreton submitted its final bid to the NCC in December 2015. Included was a copy of a real-estate analysis commissioned by Urbanation. The upshot: Ottawa’s economy was sufficiently strong to accommodate 200 additional residential units annually proposed for LeBreton by 2027 and 150 units per year after that until 2033.

As Trinity Development had not yet applied for zoning changes on 900 Albert St., Urbanation did not include that property in its analysis. The zoning changes were requested in March 2016.

At that point, Rendezvous LeBreton was still one month away from being selected as the NCC’s preferred bidder for remaking the Flats. Melnyk in his statement of claim was critical of Ruddy for not updating the Urbanation study after Trinity applied for rezoning. He also accused Trinity and Ruddy of choosing “to conceal the impact of their expanded development.”

However, city minutes show the relevant ward councillor — Catherine McKenney — had conducted a public information session about 900 Albert St. on March 8, 2016 — in advance of Trinity’s formal applications. Several public information sessions followed.

Melnyk’s legal documents are dotted with references to the potentially damaging impact 900 Albert would have on the ability of RendezVous LeBreton to fill its proposed venues.



Based on the public record, you can expect Ruddy to counter with some perspective on the nature of the downtown real estate market. First, even had Trinity never set foot on 900 Albert, the previous owner, DCR Phoenix, had received city council approval in the fall of 2012 for a 1.4-million-square-foot office tower complex.

DCR Phoenix, owned by Ottawa’s Kochar family, eventually decided to sell the property and concentrate instead on building family homes. Even if Ruddy hadn’t come along, it was just a matter of time before someone else did, given the location next to the Bayview station and the city’s push for greater population densities in the downtown core.

Secondly, Ruddy revised plans for 900 Albert St. several times between 2016 and 2018 — from 1.4 million square feet to 1.8 million, at one point including a hotel. All of this was part of a public process. Melnyk in his litigation claimed Ruddy late in 2017 showed him plans for a nearly 2.0-million-square-foot development. However, according to city staff, the scale of the project wound up last July at roughly 1.4 million square feet, including room for fewer than 1,300 apartments, expected to be sold over the next six or seven years.

Melnyk’s statement of claim makes clear his dissatisfaction with the communications he received from Ruddy about plans for 900 Albert St. The Senators owner commissioned his own real estate study (the one by PwC), which concluded there’s only enough room in the downtown Ottawa condo and apartment market to support 900 Albert St. or LeBreton Flats, not both. Given the very long time frame and so many variables, it’s difficult to say which study — PwC’s or Urbanation’s — should carry more weight.

What’s clear is that the projects at 900 Albert and LeBreton both carry significant risks. Litigation is one way of determining who should bear them. Negotiations between partners are another.

Expect Ruddy in his statement of defence — due later this month — to challenge the notion that LeBreton and 900 Albert are incompatible. For one thing, the Trinity founder four months ago updated the Urbanation study, which pointed out Ottawa’s population has been growing faster than previously forecast, with the result that demand for housing is outstripping supply. Look for Ruddy as well to argue that Melnyk was not caught by surprise by the development of the former snow dump on LeBreton’s southwest border.

The NCC has given Melnyk and Ruddy until late January “to get their act together” or it will restart the whole process — whatever that means. Plainly Melnyk and Ruddy are unlikely to resolve their differences on their own, which means a quick resolution will take heavy intervention by the government or the NHL, perhaps both. Meanwhile, that three acre patch of land at 900 Albert is preparing to accept three residential towers with a perfect view of LeBreton Flats. Whether that scene will soon include a lively community centred on hockey is anyone’s guess.

https://ottawacitizen.com/business/local...street-gateway-for-a-700-million-lawsuit
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2018, 2:29 PM
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I was ambivalent about Melnyk before this but now the hate is real. Amazing how one silly man can hold back so much progress for our city.
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Best thing for him, and for all of us, would have been to sign the RVL deal and sell. Let someone else deal with 900 Albert's impact on LeBreton. Regardless of the legitimacy of his concerns, the lawsuit will only damage his reputation, the team's viability and the progress of this city.
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2018, 2:56 PM
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Best thing for him, and for all of us, would have been to sign the RVL deal and sell. Let someone else deal with 900 Albert's impact on LeBreton. Regardless of the legitimacy of his concerns, the lawsuit will only damage his reputation, the team's viability and the progress of this city.
Its very frustrating as both a hockey fan and a skyscraper fan to see what's unfolding.

Logic was thrown out the door over a year ago when he started with the "i could move the team" talk just before 35 thousand people sat outside in -20c weather to watch his team. Since then its been pure chaos.

I hold very little hope for a quick resolution to this and I suspect this project won't commence until the lebreton question is dealt with.
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I hold very little hope for a quick resolution to this and I suspect this project won't commence until the lebreton question is dealt with.
I wonder about this. Perhaps I'm optimistic, but it doesn't seem that there would be any reason for Trinity to wait, unless it is part of an agreement with Melnyk on staging of the projects (unlikely). The project itself isn't really in dispute, so I would think they could move ahead regardless of the (quite silly) claims in the lawsuit.
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2018, 6:20 PM
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I wonder about this. Perhaps I'm optimistic, but it doesn't seem that there would be any reason for Trinity to wait, unless it is part of an agreement with Melnyk on staging of the projects (unlikely). The project itself isn't really in dispute, so I would think they could move ahead regardless of the (quite silly) claims in the lawsuit.
well the property is actually named in Melnyk's suit, but now that the gloves are off, Trinity could pull the ultimate slap in the face and build it anyways.

I hope you are right but I'm not expecting diggers anytime soon.
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I wonder about this. Perhaps I'm optimistic, but it doesn't seem that there would be any reason for Trinity to wait, unless it is part of an agreement with Melnyk on staging of the projects (unlikely). The project itself isn't really in dispute, so I would think they could move ahead regardless of the (quite silly) claims in the lawsuit.
The project is being challenged at LPAT, so it cannot continue until that is resolved.
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