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Old Posted Nov 28, 2018, 11:08 PM
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From Changing City Updates -

Office building for the 3 Vets site:

2200 Yukon


https://changingcitybook.com/2018/05/25/2200-yukon-street/
Rendering from the Leasing Brochure.
Looks pretty mundane.


https://brandcast-cdn.global.ssl.fastly....d/The-Yukon_Brochure_PO12174_FINAL-E.pdf
     
     
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Looks like a college dorm from the 80s. Lots of work to do before this one can go to UDP I hope.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2018, 3:32 AM
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eek, what is that? didn't know we took our architecture influences from the Soviet Union these days.
     
     
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Some renderings for the revamped Denny's site proposal on West Broadway from Daily Hive:

28-storey rental housing tower proposed for West Broadway Denny's site


Kenneth Chan, Nov 29, 2018, 10:20 pm













Full story and more images here: http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/2538-birch-street-vancouver-1296-west-broadway-2018
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2018, 7:41 PM
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I heard from a friend some pretty hard pushback from nearby property owners for the extra height on that site. He was the youngest person there and probably the only renter, he said...

The MIRHP Program has a steep hill to climb apparently.
     
     
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Looks good.
I like the stepping.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2018, 8:26 PM
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I heard from a friend some pretty hard pushback from nearby property owners for the extra height on that site. He was the youngest person there and probably the only renter, he said...

The MIRHP Program has a steep hill to climb apparently.
He must've come and left early. I was there for the last half-hour, and most of the conversation was lukewarm, sometimes even supportive toward it... the one exception being a really loud Jean Swanson lookalike who was complaining about the SkyTrain and roads and schools overflowing because of this one tower .
     
     
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He must've come and left early. I was there for the last half-hour, and most of the conversation was lukewarm, sometimes even supportive toward it... the one exception being a really loud Jean Swanson lookalike who was complaining about the SkyTrain and roads and schools overflowing because of this one tower .
There was a group of local homeowners that were dead against the extra height but gave weird reasons for being against it. Reasons ranged from the developer won't rent to white guys, to I don't want Vancouver looking like Hong Kong and living in a 300 square foot apartment on a noisy and polluted busy road takes 3 years off your life.

Glad I didn't go.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2018, 9:21 PM
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He must've come and left early. I was there for the last half-hour, and most of the conversation was lukewarm, sometimes even supportive toward it... the one exception being a really loud Jean Swanson lookalike who was complaining about the SkyTrain and roads and schools overflowing because of this one tower .
I genuinely want to have a conversation with these NIMBYS. For my own education.

How is it possible to not see that the cats out of the bag? Vancouver has moved on, it will never be the quiet suburban town it was 20-30 years ago.

How is it possible that so many still live in ignorance of this?
     
     
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This is starting to look more appropriate for central broadway.
     
     
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He must've come and left early. I was there for the last half-hour, and most of the conversation was lukewarm, sometimes even supportive toward it... the one exception being a really loud Jean Swanson lookalike who was complaining about the SkyTrain and roads and schools overflowing because of this one tower .
It was pretty positive at the tail end, the middle was pretty toxic, but there was still a good amount of supporters there too. Lots of abuse hurled at the applicant team, which I'll go into later.


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There was a group of local homeowners that were dead against the extra height but gave weird reasons for being against it. Reasons ranged from the developer won't rent to white guys, to I don't want Vancouver looking like Hong Kong and living in a 300 square foot apartment on a noisy and polluted busy road takes 3 years off your life.

Glad I didn't go.
The worst ones are probably the most important ones to come out, and at least leave a feedback form for. I can totally get not wanting to engage with the toxicity though.


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I genuinely want to have a conversation with these NIMBYS. For my own education.

How is it possible to not see that the cats out of the bag? Vancouver has moved on, it will never be the quiet suburban town it was 20-30 years ago.

How is it possible that so many still live in ignorance of this?
Easy, they're the only ones that bother to turn out and engage (just like with elections), so they only meet similar opinions. Self reinforcing through the entire process, so despite the real need for growth, it seems like it's all being forced on them.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2018, 10:47 PM
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Hell no. If I want toxicity I won't go chat with 60+ year old home owners that don't care about rental issues.

He said a lady approached him to sign a petition, "do you own or rent", where he quiped... "a petetion for more affordable rental?!" He's a confrontational ass but at least he goes out to these things.
     
     
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I almost always go to these things, toxic or not. I stick to myself (unless I see a friendly face like FF) and provide my opinion. It's much better to stick up for projects you like than just shrink into the shadows and let the NIMBYs win.

I did however miss this one. I planned to go, even had it in the calendar, but got stuck in the office until late. Once it goes to formal application I definitely plan to attend any open houses and make my voice heard.

I sure hope all you that want additional height, density and housing options along Broadway get behind this project. It is a HUGE precedent setter that this gets through.
     
     
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Guess I'm one of the few on here that are against the height. Feel taking the tower form out of the core is a mistake and one we seem hellbent on making over and over again. All for more density just don't see the need for more then about half this height. Not going to voice my non-support to the city just going to sit on my hands on this one. Projects like this though do more to hurt the spread of density outside the core then to help. Work with the community and they will be more willing to make it easier for future projects to continue. This is similar to the bike lane situation where it is creating a us versus them attitude instead of getting the majority of people to work together.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2018, 12:41 AM
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Guess I'm one of the few on here that are against the height. Feel taking the tower form out of the core is a mistake and one we seem hellbent on making over and over again. All for more density just don't see the need for more then about half this height....
Please stop.

The lack of height and density in the core is one of the reasons why you are seeing this tower-sprawl. You don't live in the town of Vancouver anymore and it was going to happen eventually anyways.

People just don't fucking get it. The view-cones are a small piece of red-tape that create an unnecessary barrier to more affordable real-estate in a land-restricted city. And what do they do? Protect a view for a random restaurant in Queen Elizabeth Park or the Gray Point residents (of which are all millionaires)?!

I only mean to simplify one aspect of this crisis but Height Restrictions = Less Sq. Ft to live in = more demand for housing = higher prices.

Now don't get it twisted, I'm not saying that taller towers are the sole-solution but there's no reason not to relax height restrictions at a time where rents are rising.

We're not going to solve this problem by building townhouses in areas like Broadway when it is the most logical place to start growing tall.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2018, 12:56 AM
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Guess I'm one of the few on here that are against the height. Feel taking the tower form out of the core is a mistake and one we seem hellbent on making over and over again. All for more density just don't see the need for more then about half this height. Not going to voice my non-support to the city just going to sit on my hands on this one. Projects like this though do more to hurt the spread of density outside the core then to help. Work with the community and they will be more willing to make it easier for future projects to continue. This is similar to the bike lane situation where it is creating a us versus them attitude instead of getting the majority of people to work together.
I do not disagree with your sentiment and POV, and thank you for voicing it for it has legitimate concerns. There is an us vs. them relationship building, most notably with homeowners (especially those over 55) and renters.

This is however within the Metro Core and is roughly adjacent to 2 major future SkyTrain Stations and the Broadway Uptown office district. The issue with keeping most density and development to the peninsula is you get a land cost issue that prices out most reasonable proformas to build decently priced condos or rental. This project / site boosts the density of the proposal to be solely dedicated to income-tied rental with a varied suite-mix. From an economies of scale POV, the City tried some community plans and faced backlash wo more height for various forms of housing, is facing backlash for more social housing outside the DTES, and faced a lot of backlash over programs to help rezonings for rental. This is almost a last resort pilot program that allows developers to make barely financial sense to make reduced rent units work.

If anything we're simply going back in time to the 60s and 70s on the approach to density and rental, but just with better designs and groundfloor interaction. The income-tied component doesn't work unless there is a height bonus... so we either end up with market rental or something like this. At least until land prices are cut in half or SF homes become obsolete.

When we "work with the community" (Grandview-Woodlands for example) they want more family units, more parking spaces, less height, and more affordable rents. None of those work. Even after Grandview-Woodlands was approved at a reduced plan... rezonings are put up to the community that follow that plan and the community shuts those down making those projects less dense and affordable for Vancouverites. We're beyond 3-4 storey buildings along major arterials or 15-storey buildings next to future SkyTrain at Granville and Broadway.


The reason why this building is so tall is because 20% of it is for real working Vancouverites at an income-tied rate with the rest of the rental units effectively subsidizing the whole building.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2018, 12:59 AM
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I'd agree that increased height is an issue when it's not tied directly to liveability in our current climate. If height is given from the City and affordability can be given from the developer, then that's a legitimate pursuit for increased height.

We're going back to the City on our MIRHPP project asking for an additional 2 floors on top of our 10-storey ask above the currently zoned 4-storeys because financial it won't make sense... yeah... think about that one. Land and constrcution are out of wack.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2018, 2:40 AM
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Guess I'm one of the few on here that are against the height. Feel taking the tower form out of the core is a mistake and one we seem hellbent on making over and over again. All for more density just don't see the need for more then about half this height. Not going to voice my non-support to the city just going to sit on my hands on this one. Projects like this though do more to hurt the spread of density outside the core then to help. Work with the community and they will be more willing to make it easier for future projects to continue. This is similar to the bike lane situation where it is creating a us versus them attitude instead of getting the majority of people to work together.
You're not wrong, but Broadway's more or less an offshoot of the core by now - if not here, then where?

The Sun Tower is 276', and Marine Gateway is 343'. Haters will obviously think the proposed 274' is the unholy offspring of Hector Bremner, the Burj Khalifa and the Antichrist, but after last night, I'm thinking the rest will be on board provided there's plenty of MIRHPs. I'm more worried about the NIMBYs in City Hall.
     
     
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