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Development of taller buildings in this city happens very slowly. There just isn’t that much demand. There is a condo glut right now, so there are lots of projects in the planning phase but very few shovels going into the ground on new projects. Trinity’s development (if it isn’t vapourware) would probably absorb the capacity in the area for a decade.
Maybe a few years ago, don't think that's true anymore:

https://obj.ca/article/ottawa-condo-market-poised-change-dramatically

I personally know several people who had trouble finding rental units the past few months.
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Development of taller buildings in this city happens very slowly. There just isn’t that much demand. There is a condo glut right now, so there are lots of projects in the planning phase but very few shovels going into the ground on new projects. Trinity’s development (if it isn’t vapourware) would probably absorb the capacity in the area for a decade.
I thought the condo glut was coming to an end, but Minto's decision to go rental at Fifth Avenue Court makes me think it's still got legs.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2018, 2:55 AM
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Project manager denies allegations made by Eugene Melnyk's company

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 27, 2018


Graham Bird, the president of a firm consulting for RendezVous LeBreton Group, has denied allegations made by Eugene Melnyk’s company, which filed a $700-million lawsuit related to the LeBreton Flats redevelopment.

Bird, who released a written statement Tuesday, said the claims “are entirely false and will be vigorously defended.”

Capital Sports Management Inc., whose parent company also owns the Ottawa Senators, filed the lawsuit last Friday, alleging Trinity Developments and Bird used the LeBreton Flats project to benefit the Trinity-involved mixed-use complex planned for nearby 900 Albert St.

Bird and his GBA Development and Project Management firm are named as defendants, along with Trinity-related companies and Trinity founder John Ruddy.

Melnyk and Ruddy are the main business partners in RendezVous LeBreton Group.

“We have worked so hard, along with so many team members, and those at the National Capital Commission and the City of Ottawa. We are ready, willing and able to proceed with the LeBreton Flats development,” Bird said.

“As a lifelong resident of Ottawa, I remain committed to the redevelopment of LeBreton Flats and the transformation of our downtown core. My firm is committed to working to restore the historic landmark of LeBreton, to stop the leaching of contaminants into the Ottawa River, and to continue pursuing the right solution with willing partners including the National Capital Commission.”

Ruddy has also denied the allegations.

None of the allegations in the lawsuit has been tested in court.

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Old Posted Nov 28, 2018, 2:56 AM
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Senators' lawsuit could be needed wakeup call for Ottawa, NCC

James Bagnall, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 27, 2018


It was a startling omission. For half an hour last Thursday, board members of the National Capital Commission spoke in favour of a resolution that would give RendezVous LeBreton’s two main partners — Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk and Trinity Development founder John Ruddy — two more months “to get their act together.”

The directors were unanimous in their view that, for once, government was not to blame for the lack of progress on a major project, in this case a potentially historic deal to develop a 53-acre parcel of vacant land west of Parliament Hill.

The problem, they agreed, lay entirely within the RendezVous LeBreton team — an assessment that appeared to be confirmed the following day, when Melnyk launched a $700-million suit against Trinity over the terms of the “failed joint venture.”

Left unsaid Thursday, however, was another reality — that, just maybe, the NCC and city bear significant responsibility for this fiasco.

The more you pull apart the strands of the commercial projects at the heart of LeBreton and nearby developments, the easier it becomes to see how the two levels of government exerted a profound influence over the actions of Ruddy and Melnyk.

The upshot is this: The city and NCC created a playing field that pitted Ruddy’s and Melnyk’s financial interests against each other. They did so by pursuing goals that worked at cross purposes.

The city — determined to ensure the success of its $2.1-billion light-rail transit system — encouraged the development of historically tall residential towers at 900 Albert St. and other stops, while the NCC moved ahead with the $4-billion project to remake LeBreton, just to the north of the Albert Street location.

City and NCC officials assumed there would be plenty of demand for the condos and retail outlets that would ultimately pay for both projects. Despite considerable pushback by Melnyk on this point for the past two years, the politicians maintained this view, supported in part by a real-estate study commissioned by Trinity.

But consider the more cautious report on LeBreton’s economics prepared by the firm PwC. Yes, it was commissioned by Melnyk, but its conclusions are supported by independent data.

The gist of the report, outlined in Melnyk’s statement of claim, is that Ottawa has a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to create a kind of Times Square in the empty LeBreton quarter. However, PwC concluded the sheer scale of Trinity’s $400-million condo-and-retail development at 900 Albert — with nearly 1,400 proposed units — woul

Further, PwC concludes, the early commercial advantages belong to Ruddy. Not only would 900 Albert be the first to market its condos, PwC notes, but it would enjoy greater economies of scale because it is taller and require less spending to prepare the site for construction. Trinity should therefore be able to sell comparable units for less than would be the case on LeBreton Flats.

PwC’s research points to the need for a master development that includes both LeBreton Flats and 900 Albert, one that would create a single centre concentrated around the arena.

Under the terms of the teaming agreement signed in 2015 between Trinity and Melnyk’s subsidiary, Capital Sports Management Inc., Trinity was responsible for lining up lenders, condo buyers and retail tenants, while Melnyk’s job was to finance and build the arena and related sports entertainment facilities. The money to pay for all this infrastructure was to come from condo buyers, retail sales, NHL ticket surcharges and other streams of revenue.

To work, the LeBreton project required a critical mass of shoppers, ticket buyers and people who called the Flats home. Melnyk’s big concern, as detailed in his suit, was that 900 Albert would drain away potential revenues, leaving his portion of the RendezVous LeBreton project starved of cash.

Certainly Ruddy seemed to face fewer financial risks for the moment. Although the Ottawa developer committed to financing the bulk of LeBreton project (some $3.4 billion of the total $4 billion), the cash demands were spread over two decades. For instance, it was expected the project would see an estimated 2,400 condos built by 2032, the end of the first phase. Another 2,000 or so would follow.

In sharp contrast, Melnyk’s proposed $600-million arena was meant to serve as a centrepiece for LeBreton by 2022. Melnyk appears to have sufficient assets to backstop financing — provided he could produce a revenue outlook that potential lenders could accept. This meant being able to count on lots of traffic in and around the arena in relatively short order.

His nightmare involved building the arena only to be forced to wait for 900 Albert condos to sell out before significant traffic arrives at LeBreton.

Was he right to worry that Ottawa’s downtown condo market lacks the mojo to support both projects?

The ongoing sales effort at Zibi — the 37-acre condo-retail-office development just north of LeBreton Flats — suggests that he was. The $1.2-billion project, which envisions selling 2,000 condos and other residences over the next 20 years — along with one million square feet of retail space — is unfolding at a very deliberate pace. In the past 12 months, Zibi has sold or pre-sold just 25 condos, according to the latest financing filings from Zibi’s parent company. Since it began marketing condos in 2015, unit sales as of two weeks ago were 117.

Zibi had been projected to sell as many as 100 units a year on the Ontario side of the project alone.

Generally speaking, Ottawa is a wealthy city but it’s growing slowly — the Conference Board of Canada predicts population in the capital region will grow an average 1.1 per cent per year until 2022. That’s not a great base upon which to support aggressive marketing.

It’s nice to think the region is on the cusp of a Renaissance in downtown development, but it’s just possible Melnyk’s lawsuit is a much needed wakeup call. Are the NCC and city sure they’ve got this right? Better to check now than three years in. Heeding the warnings from Melnyk a couple of years ago would have been even better.

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What an eye opening. Zibi has sold just 25 condos in the last 12 months, and 117 since they started. And we are talking about thousands of units at Lebreton and Bayview.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2018, 3:38 AM
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RendezVous planning rationale provides glimpse of what consortium has — had? — planned

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 27, 2018


Part of the planning application filed at city hall in support of the LeBreton Flats redevelopment reveals more details about what RendezVous LeBreton Group had in store for the historic transformation of contaminated federal land.

The city made the planning rationale public on Tuesday, but not the rest of RendezVous’s development application filed at city hall because it’s still considered incomplete.

The development application is of one of Capital Sports Management Inc.’s beefs with the RendezVous partnership, as revealed in the company’s $700-million lawsuit against Trinity Developments founder John Ruddy and project management consultant Graham Bird.

Ruddy and Bird have rejected the allegations. The lawsuit hasn’t been tested in court.

Because of the internal feud at RendezVous, the future of the LeBreton Flats redevelopment is uncertain.

CSMI is part of the Ottawa Senators group of companies, whose owner is Eugene Melnyk. Melnyk and Ruddy are the main partners of RendezVous.

The RendezVous planning rationale, which is dated Aug. 28, 2018 and written by Fotenn Consultants, describes the complete project in detail and includes the municipal official plan and zoning amendments required to pave the way for the redevelopment.

While the CSMI lawsuit alleges Ruddy and Trinity filed a plan “that situated the new arena closer to the 900 Albert development than to the transit hub that was CSMI’s preferred location,” the planning rationale appears to keep the arena in same location as first proposed by RendezVous; that is, between the Bayview and Pimisi LRT stations, just west of the Nepean Bay inlet.



Trinity is one of the main developers of the planned mixed-use complex at 900 Albert St.

CSMI alleges Trinity filed the development application on behalf of RendezVous last August without consulting CSMI.

Nicolas Ruszkowski, the chief operating officer of the Ottawa Senators, said the hockey club wanted the chance to get the arena closer to Pimisi Station so fans could enter the arena without going outside.

“The allegation is that, by submitting the development applications without first consulting CSMI, Trinity denied us the ability to situate the arena in a more fan-friendly location, for example, placing it close enough to the Pimisi LRT station to enable direct indoor access to the hockey games,” Ruszkowski said in an email. “Our understanding is that this can now only be achieved with the agreement of Trinity — which CSMI fears is likely to oppose any effort to locate the arena further from its own development at 900 Albert.”

The planning rationale largely keeps the spirit of RendezVous’s original submission to the National Capital Commission during the development competition. It describes a full build-out of about 4,000 residential units, 1.3 million square feet of retail space and more than 1.5 million square feet of office space. A municipal park would take up 2.5 hectares around the Nepean Bay inlet.

When it comes to the mix of residential units, minimum of 25 per cent of housing would be considered affordable housing, the planning rationale says.

As pedestrians walk through the site, they would see a lot of retail at the bottom of tall buildings, according to the plans. In fact, walking to the arena from the LRT stations, pedestrians would pass small retailers. Large-format retailers would be at ground level of three buildings along Albert Street.



Of the roughly 8,000 parking spaces that mostly would be underground, 1,500 spots would be allocated to the arena, which is a boost from the 500 originally contemplated. RendezVous believes only 20 per cent of trips to the site will be made by car.

The planning rationale doesn’t say exactly how tall the mixed-use and hotel buildings would be, but a map of proposed maximum heights on the property suggests the range would be between nine storeys and 60 storeys. The tallest buildings would be just east of Bayview Station and just to the west of Booth Street. The buildings wouldn’t disturb the sunlight that shines on the headstone of the Unknown Soldier in the Canadian War Museum on Remembrance Day, the planning rationale says.

As for potential disruptions to the surrounding communities, the planning rationale says “no significant impacts related to noise or air quality are expected as a result of the proposed development.”

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Old Posted Nov 28, 2018, 3:51 AM
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I thought the condo glut was coming to an end, but Minto's decision to go rental at Fifth Avenue Court makes me think it's still got legs.
Doesn't condo glut have more to do with buying a condo then renting? If I remember correctly Ottawa has a pretty low rental vacancy, I remember reading an article of the crazy view groups back in August.
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What an eye opening. Zibi has sold just 25 condos in the last 12 months, and 117 since they started. And we are talking about thousands of units at Lebreton and Bayview.
The bulk of those sales would be on the other side of the river, no?
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What an eye opening. Zibi has sold just 25 condos in the last 12 months, and 117 since they started. And we are talking about thousands of units at Lebreton and Bayview.
Zibi is just in the first phase, they needed to fight several court cases, build infrastructure etc before they could start the project. They have released two buildings. O in Gatineau is just starting occupancy and Kanaal in Ottawa has started construction. There are 141 units, so they've sold 83% . The units have been released in phases, so not all units were available Day 1. There is lots of servicing, demolition, quarrying, remediation, and other work to complete on the property, and the Quebec side is much further along so we may see more units built there in the near future.
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The "City of Ottawa" also includes Carp, Dunrobin, Cumberland and Metcalfe. There are points within the municipal boundary that are closer to Ogdensburg than Parliament. If you thought the question is about official municipal jurisdictions, then I can't help you.
So what is the basis of your following claim?

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I’m sniffing a troll.
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Doesn't condo glut have more to do with buying a condo then renting? If I remember correctly Ottawa has a pretty low rental vacancy, I remember reading an article of the crazy view groups back in August.

In a long-run equilibrium we should expect developers to be indifferent between condos and rentals. Short-run swings occur on account of the "lumpiness" of the product.

The demand-side should even out too. Any persistent incentive one way or another will be balanced out by price adjustments.

Overall, I don't think there's a reason to bother too much about "condo gluts" or "rental shortages". Just more housing or less housing.



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So what is the basis of your following claim?

I’m sniffing a troll.
Take a shower then. And if you don't understand the difference between a city as a municipal jurisdiction and a city as a place, then I can't help you (as I said earlier).
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Maybe a few years ago, don't think that's true anymore:

https://obj.ca/article/ottawa-condo-market-poised-change-dramatically

I personally know several people who had trouble finding rental units the past few months.
That is a statement by a condo developer (who shows up in Ottawa with grand announcements every few years). Almost every condo built over the last few years has unsold units. Most buildings under construction have lots of units.

How many actual shovels went into the ground in 2018? I can’t think of any off hand, but I’m sure there are some.
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No more discussion of whether Kanata is in Ottawa please!
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And if you don't understand the difference between a city as a municipal jurisdiction and a city as a place, then I can't help you (as I said earlier).
Can't help or are unwilling to help. Definitions are a good place to start if you are willing. If you are just hand waving and have no facts to back you up, I can't help you.

I think I might now understand where you are coming from. In your original post, you said:

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Kanata does not belong to Ottawa the City.

Both statements are true pre- and post-amalgamation.
When you said "Ottawa the Metropolis" my interpretation was the the Census Metropolitan Area (CMA) which also includes Gatineau, and some of the surrounding towns like Carleton Place and Arnprior. Kanata is certainly in that.

Therefore, when you said "Ottawa the City" my interpretation was The City of Ottawa and all of its wards (which as I previously showed, also includes Kanata).

I am guessing that you are trying to apply an old definition of City. Ontario used to have set requirements for the designation of "City," but in the Municipal Act, 2001, these requirements were abandoned. Now the province uses the terms lower-tier and single-tier municipalities (Ottawa is a single-tier municipality) and have given them the authority to name themselves as "cities" (or any other title they choose). ref
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No more discussion of whether Kanata is in Ottawa please!
Sorry, I didn't see your post until after my reply.
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That is a statement by a condo developer (who shows up in Ottawa with grand announcements every few years). Almost every condo built over the last few years has unsold units. Most buildings under construction have lots of units.

How many actual shovels went into the ground in 2018? I can’t think of any off hand, but I’m sure there are some.
That's only one article, but there's multiple sources suggesting that there is a lot of demand in the condo market here:

https://obj.ca/article/developers-racing-cash-hot-ottawa-rental-market
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-est...up-as-condos-gosky-high/article37965891/
https://renx.ca/vertical-city-mixed-use-condos-ottawa/
https://allthingshome.ca/resale-rental-l...-as-resale-homes-sector-heads-into-fall/
https://ottawacitizen.com/life/homes/condos/ottawa-condo-luxury-market-on-the-rebound
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...ion-inside-ottawas-rental-market-madness

The demand is particularly high for rental units(which is what 900 Albert would be). I haven't read anything, over the past year, suggesting that there is a condo glut in Ottawa.
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Those articles are all about the rental market, which has not induced investors to buy condos and eat into the condo glut, so there’s is still a condo glut.

Also, since the big box and condo developers are flooding the market with rental units, I suspect we will also have a rental glut in a few years.
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Those articles are all about the rental market, which has not induced investors to buy condos and eat into the condo glut, so there’s is still a condo glut.

Also, since the big box and condo developers are flooding the market with rental units, I suspect we will also have a rental glut in a few years.
Do you have any proof for either of this? You've been throwing out that term a lot but I have yet to see any proof(either from you or through my own research/Googling).

In fact, everything I've seen suggests the opposite(as per the articles I posted).
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Do you have any proof for either of this? You've been throwing out that term a lot but I have yet to see any proof(either from you or through my own research/Googling).

In fact, everything I've seen suggests the opposite(as per the articles I posted).
1. Look at the websites of the major condo developers. They are still trying to unload units from buildings completed years ago.

2. Look at the current projects under construction. There are lots of units available.

3. Look at MLS. There are hundreds of units for sale all over the city, even in the middle of winter.

4. Look out the window. Do you see any new cranes for condo construction projects?
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1. Look at the websites of the major condo developers. They are still trying to unload units from buildings completed years ago.

2. Look at the current projects under construction. There are lots of units available.

3. Look at MLS. There are hundreds of units for sale all over the city, even in the middle of winter.

4. Look out the window. Do you see any new cranes for condo construction projects?
So basically just feelings and no real proof?

Ok
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