YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[nname]

Tweet from YVR last week, new gate 56, 57 area:



So this is the permanent remote stand waiting area, replacing gate 59?

(note the sign, going up the escalator for the rest of the D gates.. so this is a level below inspection and the other gates)

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by nname

Tweet from YVR last week, new gate 56, 57 area:



So this is the permanent remote stand waiting area, replacing gate 59?

(note the sign, going up the escalator for the rest of the D gates.. so this is a level below inspection and the other gates)

All that for a remote stand? Jesus! they may as well just build a regular gate

[Canadian74]

Someone send that pic to YYC, they still don't know how to do proper seating

[Gordon]

That is a very nice looking waiting area for a remote stand that may not be used all that frequently. are any of the east apron remote stands in use ?

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Now official. 4x weekly. begins Sept 2019.

https://www.portseattle.org/news/singapore-airlines-announces-nonstop-service-sea-tac-airport

Not going to lie this one hurts. As someone who used to live in Singapore and goes back from time to time I would have surely paid the premium to fly direct.

Big win for Seattle and thenoflyzone.

Originally Posted by osirisboy

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...raffic-update-september-2018-website.pdf

Just shy of 20 million YTD

Yikes, another month of below annualized growth.

I know were building off big numbers from last year but this really does look like the end of the runaway growth train, at least for the time being.

Originally Posted by nname

Some codeshare news:

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/a-2018-232
9W to codeshare with HX for Hong Kong-Canada flights.

Hmm well hopefully this will help HX get their frequencies back up. They just extended their frequency reductions into April of next year:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...es-extends-vancouver-reductions-in-1h19/

[WarrenC12]

Weird to build that remote area for 2 gates. I assume they know what they are doing. Cool that the buses are electric!

[osirisboy]

Yeah seems like Asia has slowed down but a lot growth continuing in Europe and of course misc/Mexico

[trofirhen]

Seattle getting SQL nonstop, (given that SIN is a 'crown jewel' destination), plus the slowdown in YVR growth are a double kick in the stomach for YVR at the moment, it's true.
However, the purpose of this post is not to let pessimism creep in. Looking at the two airports globally, it is surprising that YVR is doing as well as it is, despite any setbacks.
OK, Seattle got Emirates, now SQL, and has GDL. Good for SEA, but first, remember that it is a market of at least one million more than Vancouver to start with.

Secondly, the Seattle economy makes Vancouver rather pale in comparison. In addition to the big Seattle companies themselves: Boeing, Amazon, and all the high-tech, that city is an economic powerhouse. Vancouver? Sure, the film industry, gaming, and a large "resort" component, but nothing like the money-making element and tech wealth of Seattle.

What else has Vancouver got that Seattle hasn't got? More routes to second-tier Chinese cities, Manila, and Australia and New Zealand all sown up. Not to mention Delhi.
Vancouver had Frankfurt years before Seatlle did, and even though both AF and BA (yes, BA!)were awarded Seattle before YVR, Vancouver seems to outperform on Europe.

Copenhagen on SAS was a leader in Seattle for decades due to Seattle being a "Scandinavian" town, but even that has been discontinued.
Now we're waiting in the wings for TK, which wants YVR, but will fly to Seattle if Ottawa won't give them any more Canadian frequencies.

And there's all this ongoing talk of Brazil buzzing around. That would please Craig righmond no end, as his goal is to make YVR an Asia-Latin America connector.
I think it's certain that SEA will catch up to YVR internationally; the key is that they do not surpass it. Staying on top is within YVR's grasp, as long as Ottawa relaxes its tight ass a bit.

[nname]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Yeah seems like Asia has slowed down but a lot growth continuing in Europe and of course misc/Mexico

Remember though, for the first 2 weeks of September, all KIX flights were cancelled. That's a loss of ~12 round trips flights (although there are 2 one-way NGO->YVR flights to replace these round-trips).

The BC forest fire still affecting regional flights into September.

Tropical storm to Hawaii also affect trans-boarder number, as I remember both AC and WS had cancelled flights.

So in short, there were still a lot of cancelled flights in early September.

This, plus the removal of one-stop MNL-YVR-YYZ... I wonder if there is actually more Asia-Pacific capacity in September compared to last year...

Originally Posted by trofirhen

What else has Vancouver got that Seattle hasn't got? More routes to second-tier Chinese cities, Manila, and Australia and New Zealand all sown up. Not to mention Delhi.

PR is also looking at MNL-SEA

PR earlier wanted to start MNL-YVR-ORD and/or MNL-YVR-IAH... I think that fell through?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by nname

PR is also looking at MNL-SEA

PR earlier wanted to start MNL-YVR-ORD and/or MNL-YVR-IAH... I think that fell through?

Yikes! Either SEA is catching up to where it would ordinarily be, and/or YVR has some more expanding to do. This, and SQL are sudden onsets. Just hope YVR gets TK.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Weird to build that remote area for 2 gates. I assume they know what they are doing. Cool that the buses are electric!

There will be 13 remote stands accessed through the 2 gates:
3 international
10 transborder

http://www.yvr.ca/en/passengers/construction/major-projects/remote-stand-operations

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yikes! Either SEA is catching up to where it would ordinarily be, and/or YVR has some more expanding to do. This, and SQL are sudden onsets. Just hope YVR gets TK.

Never stop concern trolling, trofirhen. It's just so fun.

[Gordon]

I would assume the trans-border remote stands will be reached through gate E 85. Ia there a hold room for e 85 like d 56-57?

[Johnny Aussie]

Some people must just wake up and think how can I be miserable today.

Comparing YVR and SEA YTD to 30 SEP 2018:

SEA Intl up 7.0% up 276,573 to 4.21 million
YVR Intl up 9.4% up 899,170 to 10.45 million

Taking out "transborder" (USA for YVR and Canada only for SEA)
SEA is still at only 3.0M
YVR is at 5.6M

If you want to compare long-haul international, technically for SEA we should remove Mexico as well as that is also transborder with their own unique relationship. Even taking out transborder YVR is more than double SEA for intl passengers and the gap is actually widening this year. That’s right it’s WIDENING by a huge number.

So in 2018 so far YVR international is still growing way faster than SEA in both % terms and aggregate pax numbers. And Sept 2018 YVR was stronger in growth % and pax numbers.

SEA, although it has just huge numbers, is still very much a domestic airport. 89% of all pax are domestic compared to less than 50% for YVR.

Yes SEA is getting some new routes too...

Daily JAL ato NRT
Daily DL to KIX
4 x weekly CX to HKG
4 x weekly SQ to SIN

But SEA also recently lost DL to HKG and flights to CGN and MUC.

Look what YVR has gained in the past few years... YVR is not just sitting around watching the grass grow but SEA is definitely a serious competitor... always has been. Nothing new.

I’m sure SEA will get plenty of new routes in the future just like YVR will... but as you can see... intl at YVR is still more than double that of SEA and the gap is widening this year. SEA intl may grow faster than YVR next year but realistically how long would it take SEA to catch up to YVR’s numbers? Think about it.

So hope this helps...

Take some deep breaths... relax and try and have a good night’s sleep tonight.

[Galaxy]

There are tons of these people[the ones that wake up and are just miserable] everywhere. Lol! and or is my strategy to deal with them.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

There are tons of these people[the ones that wake up and are just miserable] everywhere. Lol! and or is my strategy to deal with them.

Good strategy and I usually do the same.

So many of the stupid questions asked on here can be answered in the same amount of time it would take to type the question. A simple search and voila.

Just a simple search for stats (facts) and one will see YVR is doing very well.

Back in the 80s “people were flooding over the border” to fly out of Seattle or Bellingham and YVR was doomed to whither away... look where we are 30 years later....

[casper]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

Someone send that pic to YYC, they still don't know how to do proper seating

YVR only installed one cup holder for every two seats. If YYC wanted to be an over achier, they could do better.

YVR is also missing charging stations.

[Vagabond]

On the topic of cross-border competition for YVR, Alaska Air has started taking reservations out of Everett (PAE) from Feb 2019. Some pretty decent promo fares are on offer to the standard US West Coast & Southwest destinations, and no need to brave Seattle traffic! All the routes flown by Alaska to/from PAE are already served direct from YVR (I had been crossing my fingers for a non-stop to ONT, but no luck). The other bummer is that (it appears) Southwest has scrapped their previously stated plans to serve PAE as well. United's launch date is also still TBC.

Personally, I feel the more capacity in the overall Pacific NW airline industry, the better. There are several key destinations in the Western US which could use some serious competition for YVR-based travel dollars, especially during peak seasons like Christmas and Spring Break.

[stiffdeadman]

Originally Posted by Vagabond

On the topic of cross-border competition for YVR, Alaska Air has started taking reservations out of Everett (PAE) from Feb 2019. Some pretty decent promo fares are on offer to the standard US West Coast & Southwest destinations, and no need to brave Seattle traffic! All the routes flown by Alaska to/from PAE are already served direct from YVR (I had been crossing my fingers for a non-stop to ONT, but no luck). The other bummer is that (it appears) Southwest has scrapped their previously stated plans to serve PAE as well. United's launch date is also still TBC.

Personally, I feel the more capacity in the overall Pacific NW airline industry, the better. There are several key destinations in the Western US which could use some serious competition for YVR-based travel dollars, especially during peak seasons like Christmas and Spring Break.

Fares are quite expensive other then the promo ones. Yes it was a bummer that Southwest decided to sell their 5 slots to Alaska. I guess they figured it wasn't worth it to staff a new station for just 5 flights with no real possibility of expansion since the airport is already capped out. Alaska benefits going from their initial 13 to 18 daily flights.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by casper

YVR only installed one cup holder for every two seats. If YYC wanted to be an over achier, they could do better.

YVR is also missing charging stations.

let's not get too ahead, YYC doesn't even have seats, so even if they can get that it would be an accomplishment for them