Atlanta Project Thread IV

[KB0679]

Originally Posted by Vaden

Did I step on your toes in some way? Virginia hasn't "landed" it yet-it is not official. But yes I think it's down to them and NY. What I meant by that comment was that VA has seen it's population growth rate slow over the past 20 years while GA and NC have seen theirs increase. VA has few urban centers that could compete with Charlotte or Atlanta. Richmond's growth rate lags far behind either of those two cities. Hampton Roads is growing very slowly. Most of VA's eggs are in the NoVa basket so to speak. I really think they need to worry a little that almost all the growth, money, and employment is there.

But anyway, let's not get distracted here. This isn't the VA forum. Let's keep the topic focused on Amazon and Atlanta's position.

Step on my toes? Lolol...I don't have a dog in this fight as I'm not from VA nor have I ever lived there. But GA is in the same boat as VA with all of the jobs and population growth in their biggest metro. At least VA does have two other major metros with other things to offer, and Richmond has a lot of corporate HQs for its size and is doing pretty well economically. Of course, NC does better than both GA and VA with two high-growth, economically dynamic metros. But population growth in and of itself isn't everything and economically, VA is doing well for itself and probably has a larger GDP per capita than both GA and NC. The slower population growth rate in VA also allows the infrastructure to keep pace with population growth.

But I suppose we have digressed enough.

[jpk1292000]

Originally Posted by KB0679

Step on my toes? Lolol...I don't have a dog in this fight as I'm not from VA nor have I ever lived there. But GA is in the same boat as VA with all of the jobs and population growth in their biggest metro. At least VA does have two other major metros with other things to offer, and Richmond has a lot of corporate HQs for its size and is doing pretty well economically. Of course, NC does better than both GA and VA with two high-growth, economically dynamic metros. But population growth in and of itself isn't everything and economically, VA is doing well for itself and probably has a larger GDP per capita than both GA and NC. The slower population growth rate in VA also allows the infrastructure to keep pace with population growth.

But I suppose we have digressed enough.

Of course, NC does better than both GA and VA with two high-growth, economically dynamic metros.

Evidence?

Here's a link to GDP rankings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

9. GA
10. NC
13. VA

[smArTaLlone]

New rendering of the Hard Rock Hotel

Hard Rock International on Thursday will hold a private "reveal" event for its forthcoming Reverb by Hard Rock Atlanta hotel, according to a press release Monday.

The hotel, a new collection of music-centric hotels designed as "contemporary hubs where modern music lovers can connect and create," will debut in Atlanta in February 2020.

https://whatnowatlanta.com/reverb-by-hard-rock-atlanta/

[KB0679]

Originally Posted by jpk1292000

Of course, NC does better than both GA and VA with two high-growth, economically dynamic metros.

Evidence?

Here's a link to GDP rankings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

9. GA
10. NC
13. VA

Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant that in terms of not putting all of its eggs in one basket, NC does better than both GA and VA with two high-growth, economically dynamic metros (Charlotte and the Triangle).

VA has the highest GDP per capita of the three however.

[bigstick]

Originally Posted by KB0679

Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant that in terms of not putting all of its eggs in one basket, NC does better than both GA and VA two high-growth, economically dynamic metros (Charlotte and the Triangle).

VA has the highest GDP per capita of the three however.

NO, you are wrong again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP

List of U.S. states and territories by GDP (millions of current dollars)[7]
Rank Rank
(50
states) State or territory 2017 % of Nation Region
— — United States 19,263,350[B] 100.00[B]
1 1 California 2,746,873 14.17 West
2 2 Texas 1,696,206 8.64 South
3 3 New York 1,547,116 8.10 Northeast
4 4 Florida 967,337 5.00 South
5 5 Illinois 820,362 4.30 Midwest
6 6 Pennsylvania 752,071 3.89 Northeast
7 7 Ohio 649,127 3.39 Midwest
8 8 New Jersey 591,743 3.11 Northeast
9 9 Georgia 554,269 2.87 South
10 10 North Carolina 538,291 2.82 South
11 11 Massachusetts 527,455 2.73 Northeast
12 12 Virginia 508,662 2.66 South
13 13 Washington 506,353 2.58 West
14 14 Michigan 504,967 2.65 Midwest
15 15 Maryland 393,632 2.07 South

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

New rendering of the Hard Rock Hotel
https://whatnowatlanta.com/reverb-by-hard-rock-atlanta/

Not particularly inspiring... anyone have a pulse as to what the neighborhood thinks of the project? Castleberry Hill might see a lot of change over the next few years. Here’s hoping there’s some decent zoning and design review that occurs for new developments in the neighborhood

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by bigstick

NO, you are wrong again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP

List of U.S. states and territories by GDP (millions of current dollars)[7]
Rank Rank
(50
states) State or territory 2017 % of Nation Region
— — United States 19,263,350[B] 100.00[B]
1 1 California 2,746,873 14.17 West
2 2 Texas 1,696,206 8.64 South
3 3 New York 1,547,116 8.10 Northeast
4 4 Florida 967,337 5.00 South
5 5 Illinois 820,362 4.30 Midwest
6 6 Pennsylvania 752,071 3.89 Northeast
7 7 Ohio 649,127 3.39 Midwest
8 8 New Jersey 591,743 3.11 Northeast
9 9 Georgia 554,269 2.87 South
10 10 North Carolina 538,291 2.82 South
11 11 Massachusetts 527,455 2.73 Northeast
12 12 Virginia 508,662 2.66 South
13 13 Washington 506,353 2.58 West
14 14 Michigan 504,967 2.65 Midwest
15 15 Maryland 393,632 2.07 South

He said GDP PER CAPITA so he's absolutely right.

[KB0679]

Originally Posted by bigstick

NO, you are wrong again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP

List of U.S. states and territories by GDP (millions of current dollars)[7]
Rank Rank
(50
states) State or territory 2017 % of Nation Region
— — United States 19,263,350[B] 100.00[B]
1 1 California 2,746,873 14.17 West
2 2 Texas 1,696,206 8.64 South
3 3 New York 1,547,116 8.10 Northeast
4 4 Florida 967,337 5.00 South
5 5 Illinois 820,362 4.30 Midwest
6 6 Pennsylvania 752,071 3.89 Northeast
7 7 Ohio 649,127 3.39 Midwest
8 8 New Jersey 591,743 3.11 Northeast
9 9 Georgia 554,269 2.87 South
10 10 North Carolina 538,291 2.82 South
11 11 Massachusetts 527,455 2.73 Northeast
12 12 Virginia 508,662 2.66 South
13 13 Washington 506,353 2.58 West
14 14 Michigan 504,967 2.65 Midwest
15 15 Maryland 393,632 2.07 South

Actually I'm correct. GDP per capita is total GDP divided by total population. VA's is higher than GA's and NC's.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/2480...l-gross-domestic-product-gdp-by-state/#0

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Not particularly inspiring... anyone have a pulse as to what the neighborhood thinks of the project? Castleberry Hill might see a lot of change over the next few years. Here’s hoping there’s some decent zoning and design review that occurs for new developments in the neighborhood

Not inspiring, but this looks a lot better IMO than the recent previous renderings we saw. The retail space looks nice and not just "tacked on" and the rooftop will be nice.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

Not inspiring, but this looks a lot better IMO than the recent previous renderings we saw. The retail space looks nice and not just "tacked on" and the rooftop will be nice.

I really dug the original glass rendering, (which may have been more offensive to the neighborhood than the latest rendering... not sure on that though). At this the windows alternate with popping out so it isn't completely bland above the street level.

Agreed about the rooftop and street presence.

[ATL_J]

@ Street Advocate

That design, with the glass, I agree is better. I was more referencing older renderings of the current design, but upon review they all look very similiar and this is just slightly more updated w/ a different lighting scheme and angle. Disappointing considering initial proposals.

[smArTaLlone]

ABC article on the Norfolk Southern HQ...

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...hern-could-occupy-new-midtown-hq-by.html

Rail giant Norfolk Southern Corp. could see construction on its $575 million Midtown headquarters start as early as next summer, and it could occupy the project in 2021, a company executive told Atlanta economic development officials Tuesday. A Norfolk Southern team is working with Atlanta real estate company Cousins Properties Inc. to design the new headquarters building, Patti Carroll, assistant vice president of real estate with the transportation company, told members of the Invest Atlanta finance committee.

[smArTaLlone]

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...rn-hq-would-anchor-1-million-square.html

New details are emerging about railroad giant Norfolk Southern Corp.’s new headquarters in Midtown.

The two-tower project would include 1 million square feet near Technology Square, according to plans filed Wednesday in Atlanta. The buildings would rise on about three acres at Spring, 3rd, and West Peachtree Streets and Ponce de Leon Avenue.

Cousins Properties Inc. has the site, near the landmark AT&T building and the massive mixed-use project Coda, under contract.

“Project Fusion,” the economic development code name for the Norfolk Southern HQ, would include approximately 856,000 square feet of office space. There would be a 14,000-square-foot childcare center with a 3,600-square-foot outdoor play area. Plans also show a 3,000-square-foot café, along with an outdoor plaza at the corner of Ponce de Leon Avenue and West Peachtree Street.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...rn-hq-would-anchor-1-million-square.html

NCR phase 1 was 485k sq ft, but Cousins 8th & West was 3- stories at 470k sq ft of office. I think we’ll get one squattier building and one over 30 stories. We shall see.

[ATLmangum]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

NCR phase 1 was 485k sq ft, but Cousins 8th & West was 3- stories at 470k sq ft of office. I think we’ll get one squattier building and one over 30 stories. We shall see.

Agreed. Remember the CA student tower is going on the same block. Not as much room to work with as compared to the NCR site.

[bryantm3]

except for the new siding which i don't really care for, i like the new design better. it's less absurd looking and looks like a more sensible design, the tapered support columns are a nice touch too.

[atlwarrior]

Well I think our hope Norfolk Southern being at least 40 stories are gone. Per ABC, they are reporting they build will two buildings. The article is firewall, so I can’t confirm the story.

[dmbolp]

The article does say "two-tower project" but no mention of building heights

Calling it "Project Fusion"

[alco89]

Originally Posted by atlwarrior

Well I think our hope Norfolk Southern being at least 40 stories are gone. Per ABC, they are reporting they build will two buildings. The article is firewall, so I can’t confirm the story.

Scroll up a few posts.

[skyscraperpage17]

IMO, a 20-30 story building on the site in question would be alright.

I understand people would like to see another trophy tower or at least a building with decent height, but this is going to be infill for an area that really needs it to help connect downtown with Midtown.