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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 8:26 PM
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One thing I really like about the video and how everything has been designed, is how brightly lit the tunnel is. Most subways are dark dungeons outside of the stations.
Yeah but outside of emergency stopping of the train are those lights really necessary? Seems like a waste of energy, but that's just me
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 8:27 PM
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Watching the trains from the SITE building at UOttawa. They're going pretty fast, I'd say at full speed.

Seems that the trains are numbered starting at 1101, and I say 1131 go by. Does anyone know why they chose that numbering scheme?
I don't know why they started at 1101, but they probably picked 4-digit numbers to match the numbering of the buses since the Confederation Line will be a direct part of OC Transpo (compared to the Trillium Line which is "technically" Capital Railway where they number the trains C1-C9)

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One thing I really like about the video and how everything has been designed, is how brightly lit the tunnel is. Most subways are dark dungeons outside of the stations.
I wonder if the tunnels will be lit up like that once in operation though.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 8:54 PM
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Watching the trains from the SITE building at UOttawa. They're going pretty fast, I'd say at full speed.

Seems that the trains are numbered starting at 1101, and I say 1131 go by. Does anyone know why they chose that numbering scheme?
i know the 01-34 part of the number is because that's how many LRVs they are. Only thing i can think of for why 11, was that the year the train purchase happened? (so going back to pre-2000ish era/STO format bus numbers but for trains)
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 8:59 PM
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i know the 01-34 part of the number is because that's how many LRVs they are. Only thing i can think of for why 11, was that the year the train purchase happened? (so going back to pre-2000ish era/STO format bus numbers but for trains)
I don't think so. I've heard the new 40 foot buses being delivered next year will follow the current numbering scheme (and be numbered 4601-4682). 11 could be an arbitrary choice just like how the hybrids all start with 5.

Anyway, why bother with numbers when we can just use their names? (Speaking of which, when are they going to put the names on the Trillium Line trains? Or any of the trains for that matter?)
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 10:01 PM
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Really cool timelapse video - thank you for posting it.

Watching the video got me thinking:

Does anyone know if the on-board announcements will indicate which doors are opening?

Ex: "This is uOttawa Station. Doors open on the right at uOttawa Station" (and then in French).

Or will it be a guessing game for passengers unfamiliar with the line.

Cheers!
Well it's a guessing game right now for Line 2, so who knows. The Lints don't even say it's the end of the line
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 10:26 PM
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Looking at the slides, the progress at Rideau is astounding. Maybe Q1 is a go after all
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 10:40 PM
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One thing I really like about the video and how everything has been designed, is how brightly lit the tunnel is. Most subways are dark dungeons outside of the stations.
The first thing I noticed was how bright and roomy the tunnels were compared to how cramped the stations looked

Super cool video anyway... it's almost real !!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 10:50 PM
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Yeah, gives you a good idea of the scale of the line. At times I feel like it is such a short stump of a backbone but it's actually a pretty good distance serving some importance areas of town.
Also fun to see what it looks like running in the tunnel curve.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 10:53 PM
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Kinda wish they'd de-uglified the fence as it crosses the Rideau River.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 11:04 PM
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Yeah but outside of emergency stopping of the train are those lights really necessary? Seems like a waste of energy, but that's just me
The Canada Line tunnel in Vancouver is also uplit. Might help with white-knuckle passengers.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 11:05 PM
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I don't think so. I've heard the new 40 foot buses being delivered next year will follow the current numbering scheme (and be numbered 4601-4682). 11 could be an arbitrary choice just like how the hybrids all start with 5.

Anyway, why bother with numbers when we can just use their names? (Speaking of which, when are they going to put the names on the Trillium Line trains? Or any of the trains for that matter?)
I meant just for the trains, not buses.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 11:28 PM
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I have shared the FEDCO presentation as well as a higher quality version of the End-to-End train video on O-Train Fans.

The video was posted on Youtube by OC Transpo. Quite a bit better quality than what you find on Twitter. Makes it easier to pause as well to see the details in the stations.

https://www.otrainfans.ca/blogs/committee-briefed-on-confederation-line-construction-progress
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 1:13 AM
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UPDATED: Still no firm launch date for LRT but signs of progress

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 14, 2018


It’s looking more certain that the $2.1-billion Confederation Line LRT will open near the end of next March, although the city is nervous about promoting another launch date after it aborted the first two.

The city’s transportation general manager, John Manconi, would only tell council members Wednesday during a finance and economic development committee meeting that LRT would be ready sometime in the first quarter of 2019 but didn’t have an exact date.

After the meeting, Mayor Jim Watson, who was buoyed by a video of a train running end-to-end on the 12.5-kilometre line, suggested the opening would likely happen near the end of that January-March time frame.

“When we finally saw the train run from one end to the other, with the right speeds and the right times for loading and unloading people, it tells me that we’re coming very, very close to having full service by the 31st of March 2019,” Watson said. “I have great confidence in that date and I believe we will meet that date, if not exceed it by a few days.”

Rideau Transit Group, the consortium building the LRT system, missed the first handover deadline on May 24 and the second deadline on Nov. 2.

RTG has 60 days from Nov. 2 to propose a new handover date, so the city should know by Jan. 2 how soon it could open the LRT system in 2019.

However, the LRT contract calls for a minimum of 30 days between the date on which RTG notifies the city and the handover date itself. After the handover date, the city predicts it would need up to 10 days to do its own work with the LRT system before welcoming fare-paying passengers.

Whatever date RTG proposes, the builder can count on the city scrutinizing the evidence, Manconi said.

“To be very candid, there are very good days in testing and commissioning and there are challenging days, and that’s what you want,” Manconi said.

“You want to find out what the issues are and you want to proactively deal with them. The outcome is very crystal clear: a safe reliable system that gets the taxpayers the $2.1-billion investment in accordance to the project agreement. That’s our relentless pursuit.”

Bus customers and their city councillors are growing louder in their calls for better bus service before the LRT line opens.

Barrhaven Coun. Jan Harder this week announced improvements for customers who live in her ward after people continued to voice frustration over late and crowded buses, which OC Transpo attributes to the downtown bus detours. Gloucester-Southgate Coun. Diane Deans said customers who live in her ward could use Transpo’s help, too.

Manconi said “I hear the noise” when it comes to customers’ irritation, but Transpo has limited resources while trying to transform the transit network.

One bit of good news for customers: Transpo intends to put a hold on fare increases at the beginning of 2019 until the LRT system opens.

Watson, who supports the temporary fare freeze as a “small gesture” by the city to acknowledge the frustration customers have with the bus detours, has ideas about how the lost revenue could be offset.

“We’ll have to find it from reserve funds. As you know, we have reserve funds for transit and tax stabilization, (plus) any savings we can generate from OC Transpo, but also we’re seeing increased ridership, which is good news for the fare box and the system as well,” Watson said.

(Manconi said there was an increase in transit ridership last quarter).

There are promising signs that LRT construction is wrapping up.

Rideau Station, based on pictures provided by the city, appears more advanced than what the city indicated in September. Interior finishes in other underground stations are being installed. The seven easternmost stations almost have their occupancy permits. Trains have run in fully automated mode across the entire line. All fare gates and machines are installed.

The public could see a very active rail line before the end of this month.

RTG wants to execute a “practice plan” on the entire system. Manconi said it will involve between eight and 10 two-car trains and up to 15 single trains.

“They’ll see that full fleet going end-to-end (with) the spacing they need to get to those headway times and they’ll pull up to the stations, the doors open, the doors close, and they do all the manoeuvres. They’ll see the service without occupants on the trains.”

Eventually the City of Ottawa will be asking its own workforce to participate in test runs to make sure wayfinding signs are in the right places, the pedestrian flow-through isn’t blocked and, perhaps most importantly, that the train-to-bus transfers at Tunney’s Pasture, Hurdman and Blair stations are seamless.

When it comes to the city’s extra costs tied to the LRT delay, city treasurer Marian Simulik said a full list should be available for council within the next two weeks.

The city is penalizing RTG $1 million for the missed handover in November and the builder would be liable for another $1 million if it misses a future handover date.

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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 1:32 AM
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I don't get how they went from, "we could have partially opening by the end of November." To, "we need till the end of March."
     
     
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It also really emphasized to me how disproportionately long the eastern leg is compared to the western leg. It seemed as if as soon as you left the tunnel you were almost at Tunney's Pasture.
I assume they went with Tunney's because it is a significant employment destination, minimizing the number of transfers to rail.
     
     
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Not really surprising the city isn't providing a firm deadline. The whole "On Track 2018" campaign was cringe looking back and was a pretty big blowback. I mean, at least Watson is providing an estimated timeline that is in line with what most of us were predicting. Let's just hope that on opening day, whenever that is, will go at least relatively smoothly and all the "advanced preparation" being done actually pays off on those first few days.
     
     
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I assume they went with Tunney's because it is a significant employment destination, minimizing the number of transfers to rail.
This is exactly it. I think their early plans even terminated at Bayview. I remember them talking at some presentation about how it didn't take sense to make so many people transfer one stop. And the intention at the time was for buses to overlap and serve Tunney's and Bayview from the West. Again to negate the need for a transfer for one stop.
     
     
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Seems that the trains are numbered starting at 1101, and I say 1131 go by. Does anyone know why they chose that numbering scheme?
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I don't know why they started at 1101, but they probably picked 4-digit numbers to match the numbering of the buses since the Confederation Line will be a direct part of OC Transpo (compared to the Trillium Line which is "technically" Capital Railway where they number the trains C1-C9)
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i know the 01-34 part of the number is because that's how many LRVs they are. Only thing i can think of for why 11, was that the year the train purchase happened? (so going back to pre-2000ish era/STO format bus numbers but for trains)
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I don't think so. I've heard the new 40 foot buses being delivered next year will follow the current numbering scheme (and be numbered 4601-4682). 11 could be an arbitrary choice just like how the hybrids all start with 5.
I noticed that the last street cars OTC bought were numbered 1000-1003. Even though it will be 60 years since the streetcars closed by the time the line opens, could 11XX be a continuation of the previous rail numbering scheme?

A thought I had to suggest otherwise was that with the OTC, each new series (model) of street car gets its own numbering (ie 8XX for 800 series, 9XX for 900 series, 10XX for 1000 series). The Sprit's do not follow that convention...

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I noticed that the last street cars OTC bought were numbered 1000-1003. Even though it will be 60 years since the streetcars closed by the time the line opens, could 11XX be a continuation of the previous rail numbering scheme?

A thought I had to suggest otherwise was that with the OTC, each new series (model) of street car gets its own numbering (ie 8XX for 800 series, 9XX for 900 series, 10XX for 1000 series). The Sprit's do not follow that convention...
Interesting thought. There is some logic to what you say. Welcome to the board.
     
     
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