NEW YORK | 270 Park Ave | 1,389 FT | 57 FLOORS

[antinimby]

I agree with NYguy about the overabundance of windswept plazas in that area of the city already. What Park Ave needs is lots more retail, not more plazas. What few retail there is are mostly bank branches that are set back from the street behind plazas. Park Ave is one of the most boring-est walk for anyone that doesn't work or live there.

[citybooster]

Seeing the outdoor plaza design rendering, I have to agree that the idea of a windswept public plaza isn't such a great one compared to an enclosed public space with open views and retail and other needed amenities. We do need an active, vibrant public component especially along places with dead streetscapes like much of Park Avenue.

[NYguy]

Another Google earth overview of the surrounding area...

[NYguy]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqF7686Asbk/

[PeterQM]

Here are a few more Google Earth shots added to the story. This thing will be massive and probably taller once Foster finesses all this bulk. Shown is just a bit more than 1,400 feet btw.

JPMorgan Chase Plans Enclosed Public Plaza and Metro-North Access for 1,400-Foot-Tall Headquarter Building

[antinimby]

Please finesse away Norman.

[antinimby]

I am rooting for the No-action version.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by PeterQM

Here are a few more Google Earth shots added to the story. This thing will be massive and probably taller once Foster finesses all this bulk. Shown is just a bit more than 1,400 feet btw.

I don’t think that there will be any finessing. I’m pretty sure that these are essentially the final product.

Both versions look better than 50 HY.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by antinimby

I am rooting for the No-action version.

That's not gonna happen. It was already determined that the enclosure of the open space would have no adverse impact. But they could end up with a tower of similar height anyway, depending on where they go with the extra air rights.

[Prezrezc]

To give you an idea here:

271P is most likely next to go; so we're looking at something as big as JPM.

The only thing about 245P that could save it is the fact that it was the last of the trio to rise (comp. 1967). Soby virtue of the date, any repurposing/retrofitting would porlly work best here.

Besides, the facade at least has a uniqueness to it.

[streetscaper]

https://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/marke...building/25461

[JMKeynes]

What an amazing city!!!!!

[chris08876]

I’ll just quote this from the city realty article that I found interesting:

In a statement, Foster said, “The building design is set to respond to its historic location as well as the heritage of JP Morgan, and we look forward to working with them to realise their vision for a new global headquarters for the company.”

Surely I hope its not soul crushing like other JP towers (Chase tower in Houston or 383 Madison Avenue).

But something that has qualities of some of the historical Park Ave structures would be nice.

I kinda wish Robert A.M. Stern designed this. But we shall see what Foster provides.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by chris08876

... But we shall see what Foster provides.

I seriously believe that we have seen the two designs. Either of those (and likely, the 1,400' version) will rise. I'm happy with either. They're nicer than 50 HY, not as fat, and much taller. Foster is a hack, but these will be great towers.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

I seriously believe that we have seen the two designs. Either of those (and likely, the 1,400' version) will rise. I'm happy with either. They're nicer than 50 HY, not as fat, and much taller. Foster is a hack, but these will be great towers.

What we have seen is the massing for the tower. The main details of course are what will make the design, but we've seen the basic outline. The only question is the ultimate height. It will be a bulky, massive office tower. But it doesn't overwhelm Vandy too much, and I think they will work well together.

[JMKeynes]

I’m not sure what details remain to be seen. I believe that the setbacks that are shown are no more nor less than what the final design will have. I highly doubt that there will be a crown since his goal is to emalute the International style.

I think that the proposed towers are nice. KPF would have designed sonething much nicer, but that probably wouldn’t have had the big floorplates that Chase needs.

[gramsjdg]

I'll bet even money this will have a significant (200'+) crown. The massing as is for the 1400' version is too bulky for the location. It needs to be somewhat taller to fit in with the surrounding structures.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by gramsjdg

I'll bet even money this will have a significant (200'+) crown. The massing as is for the 1400' version is too bulky for the location. It needs to be somewhat taller to fit in with the surrounding structures.

That would be nice, but I doubt that it will occur. Norm seems fixated on designing a 1950s tower.

[patriotizzy]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

I’m not sure what details remain to be seen.

The facade? The crown? The plaza? Anything that isn't just the massing?

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by patriotizzy

The facade? The crown? The plaza? Anything that isn't just the massing?

The façade, of course, is not represented by the massing, but I don't anticipate Foster's diamonds (or anything unique) on an International-style tower, nor do I expect a crown. It appears that they're going with the non-plaza version -- not that a plaza has any bearing on the architecture.

I'm very confident that we've seen pretty much the final shape of the tower.

It's a lost opportunity, but I'm still very pleased with a 1,400' new tower with an ok design. This "massing model" is a lot nicer than 50 HY.