Landmark on Robson | Completed

[trofirhen]

I'm stil rather sad to see it go; especially in light of what is replacing it.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by scryer

Weird ill-wishes aside....

I am excited to combine legal cannabis with that tunnel. It gonna be a hell of a trip!

And I highly doubt that the developing company is going to suffer much from raising costs. They probably have legal clauses out the hoo-hah that would allow them to stop and renegotiate.

Weird ill-wishes?

Not al all, this project is emblematic of everything that has gone wrong with Vancouver. A Chinese builder, oops Hong Kong if you want to believe that fiction, tearing down a perfectly good structure that was needed to support tourism and real long term jobs in this city. All to build yet more useless condos to serve as investment vehicles for offshore money. And of course approved during Vision Vancouver's Reign of Error which destroyed affordability in this city. I hope the demo goes hopelessly off schedule, the building comes to market during a downturn and the developer loses his shirt.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by scryer

I am excited to combine legal cannabis with that tunnel. It gonna be a hell of a trip!

I'm confused. Tunnel? Relevance of legal weed?

[bb1510]

Citynews did a coverage of the demolition and went to the top; interesting to see what the current demo'd top is like.

Also, I've always wondered how they remove the elevator cabs from the shaft when they replace them or demo them like in this case; do they simply lower them all the way to the bottom and then dismantle them?

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[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Weird ill-wishes?

Not al all, this project is emblematic of everything that has gone wrong with Vancouver. A Chinese builder, oops Hong Kong if you want to believe that fiction, tearing down a perfectly good structure that was needed to support tourism and real long term jobs in this city. All to build yet more useless condos to serve as investment vehicles for offshore money. And of course approved during Vision Vancouver's Reign of Error which destroyed affordability in this city. I hope the demo goes hopelessly off schedule, the building comes to market during a downturn and the developer loses his shirt.

Like, er, yessss! (hee hee hee)

[GeneralLea]

Ugh god....that video disheartens me greatly. This site could've had such a better outcome for it, rather than this crap that's going to go up.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by bb1510

Citynews did a coverage of the demolition and went to the top; interesting to see what the current demo'd top is like.

Also, I've always wondered how they remove the elevator cabs from the shaft when they replace them or demo them like in this case; do they simply lower them all the way to the bottom and then dismantle them?

• Video Link

Seems like they just take it to the bottom and dismantle it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4KV7Z6SknE

[connect2source]

So glad I went for the closing-night party at Cloud 9! It was a tearful experience and I got to take home a menu. Some of the staff had been there for 20+ years, was a great night!

[scryer]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

I'm confused. Tunnel? Relevance of legal weed?

Get off your computer and take a walk down Robson street and walk through that container. You'll figure it out real quick.

[Vin]

Yup for taking down the Empire Landmark hotel without replacing it with something else way better, and coupled with the high demo cost, I'm not surprised if the developer ends up in the red.

Just by watching the video, you can tell how ungreen this project and city are, and all for the greed of more money.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Vin

Yup for taking down the Empire Landmark hotel without replacing it with something else way better, and coupled with the high demo cost, I'm not surprised if the developer ends up in the red.

Just by watching the video, you can tell how ungreen this project and city are, and all for the greed of more money.

What is the demo costing the developer? The demo company will take the hit. There was probly a bidding process and the lowest bid is what the developer pays.

[Vanville]

A few photos from Nov.10, my pics:

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Pollution from dust clouds, especially given the size of the building, and the high amount of lead and asbestos in Seventies construction.

Umm what?

You don't just demo buildings full of hazardous materials, implosion or conventional, they need to be abated first.

Originally Posted by whatnext

Hehe, I would totally love it of the developer involved in this unnecessary project got burned by escalating demo costs just as the market is tanking!

Ya that's not how this works. The contract would have been signed for the entirety of the demolition, so if demo costs go up their risk is protected. You don't pay a floor by floor rate...

Originally Posted by Vin

Yup for taking down the Empire Landmark hotel without replacing it with something else way better, and coupled with the high demo cost, I'm not surprised if the developer ends up in the red.

You may not like the design of the new towers, but they are way better from a revenue standpoint. They are replacing an aged 3 star hotel with condos that are setting new records for highest sales price in Vancouver history. Like it or not they will very likely make a tidy profit on this project.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Umm what?


You may not like the design of the new towers, but they are way better from a revenue standpoint. They are replacing an aged 3 star hotel with condos that are setting new records for highest sales price in Vancouver history. Like it or not they will very likely make a tidy profit on this project.

That's a big part of the problem around here. But yeah, fundamentally, I do agree with you.

[LeftCoaster]

I'm not saying I like it either, but its the reality of the situation.

Of course not everyone on this forum likes to function within the realm of reality...

[s211]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Umm what?

You don't just demo buildings full of hazardous materials, implosion or conventional, they need to be abated first.

Yeah, I tried using to explain to MC the pre-demo remedial work that must be undertaken, but it went in one ear and out the next.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Umm what?

You don't just demo buildings full of hazardous materials, implosion or conventional, they need to be abated first.

Don't think I ever said otherwise. Regular implosions are usually pre-abated, yes, but there's been cases of companies not getting all of it, or worse, skipping that step completely.

I didn't emphasize hazmats either; even conventional dust can cause health problems, so much that after the CGH demolition, studies went as far as to "suggest that implosions in metropolitan areas should be prohibited." Same reasoning for the Empire Landmark... mixed with keepoffmylawn-itis:

The demolition of Vancouver's 42-storey Empire Landmark Hotel is set to begin this month, but onlookers eager for a major implosion are likely to be disappointed.

The contractor in charge of levelling the former hotel and revolving restaurant, JMX Contracting, says it will be using "cutting-edge, European demolition technology" to keep the process quiet and relatively dust-free.

Originally Posted by s211

Yeah, I tried using to explain to MC the pre-demo remedial work that must be undertaken, but it went in one ear and out the next.

I realize I'm on the ignore list, but just so you're aware for the next person you explain things to, emoticons and "get a frickin life. " are not conducive to a proper explanation. Offended or not offended, nobody will be in a listening mood. And your list will most probably have another user on it soon after.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Don't think I ever said otherwise. Regular implosions are usually pre-abated, yes, but there's been cases of companies not getting all of it, or worse, skipping that step completely.

Well ya you definitely did say that dust clouds full of lead and asbestos would be a problem:

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Pollution from dust clouds, especially given the size of the building, and the high amount of lead and asbestos in Seventies construction.

And I'd like to see a case in recent times of a Canadian company performing a major, or even minor, commercial demolition in a containing building without abating. That is completely illegal.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Well ya you definitely did say that dust clouds full of lead and asbestos would be a problem:



And I'd like to see a case in recent times of a Canadian company performing a major, or even minor, commercial demolition in a containing building without abating. That is completely illegal.

One of three. I did say that. I did not say it was the biggest or only problem.

The one I'm thinking of. Granted, though Trinity is Canadian, Florida is neither morally fibrous nor part of Canada.

No special containment precautions, however, were required for asbestos. Despite early tests that showed such precautions were needed because of the asbestos in the building’s stucco, later tests agreed to by Trinity and the Palm Beach County Health Department led the department to allow the implosion without the measures, which could have added $1 million to the cost.

[mcminsen]

As seen today from Burrard Street.



Nov.19 '18, my pics