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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 3:09 AM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/07/upsho...YsryRDNvkTMsmMI1DTYOFW36hXdwx_KgprgJkLnQ

“In Superstar Cities, the Rich Get Richer, and They Get Amazon
New York and Washington are leaving the rest of the country behind. Companies like Amazon explain why.”
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 3:13 AM
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I don't think Amazon will choose Austin. Facebook opened an office in Austin a couple of years ago and they have been struggling to get people to move there. Facebook only have 30,000 employees in total, with maybe several thousand in Austin. Amazon putting HQ2 or HQ3 there would take all the air out of that labor market.

According to Hired.com, Austin's tech salaries are already higher than Washington, D.C. (118k vs 116k). Adding 25K or 50K workers there would probably inflate salaries past Seattle and SF, and leave other employers there unable to compete.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 4:35 AM
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Lots of gloating in this thread. I imagine anyone who “won” probably would’ve done a bit of this
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 5:29 AM
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I'm not totally sold on long island, seems like it was leaked to get Austin to cough up some incentives, especially since that times article highlighted NY's state incentives and how Cuomo was so desperate to do anything. Plus why the fuck do they need two east coast HQs?
Because the other one is on the west coast. And because Bezos has a lot of east coast connections (besides owning the WaPo, he went to Princeton) but none in Texas. There would likely be only one east coast choice except that having 2 makes it easier to recruit which is what this is all about: There just wasn't enough tech talent after Microsoft claimed its share in Seattle.
     
     
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Because the other one is on the west coast. And because Bezos has a lot of east coast connections (besides owning the WaPo, he went to Princeton) but none in Texas. There would likely be only one east coast choice except that having 2 makes it easier to recruit which is what this is all about: There just wasn't enough tech talent after Microsoft claimed its share in Seattle.
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 11:27 AM
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 12:51 PM
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Well, evidently Long Island City does have an idea, which they successfully pitched to Amazon.

It’s the average Joe on the street who has no idea, but the average Joe on the street rarely has a clue about anything. So who cares?
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 1:05 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/07/upsho...YsryRDNvkTMsmMI1DTYOFW36hXdwx_KgprgJkLnQ

“In Superstar Cities, the Rich Get Richer, and They Get Amazon
New York and Washington are leaving the rest of the country behind. Companies like Amazon explain why.”
This is sort of how the world works. And it’s not unique to tech, it’s true of sectors like finance and medical research as well. Any knowledge based industry relies on virtuous cycles of more and more talent being in one place.

The idea that location no longer matters because of communications technology, etc is a complete myth. It’s just based on where people want to live, not natural resources, navigable rivers, etc as it might have been in the industrial economy.

This actually leads to more concentration of economic prosperity rather than less. Natural resources are scattered all over the place, and they aren’t necessarily in the places where people would choose to live for reasons other than their jobs, etc. The more it becomes just a matter of a mobile work force of more highly-educated and highly-compensated individuals deciding where they want to be, the fewer places will be successful.

London is a classic example. Other places in England once thrived because of mills or ports or whatever. But now London is the biggest city, the capital, the financial centre, the media centre, the technology centre, with the best connectivity to the rest of the world, the best restaurants and culture, the most wealth, and actually (bearing in mind this is all relative) the best weather in the UK. For the UK it’s basically NYC, DC, SF, LA, Boston, Houston and Miami all rolled into one.

The US is much too large for the same dynamic to ever exist, but you’ll still see the “cream” of society and the economy concentrating itself more and more, as other places die. Even regionally, Chicago has been sucking the life force from other Midwestern cities for decades.
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 1:10 PM
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 2:16 PM
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This is sort of how the world works. And it’s not unique to tech, it’s true of sectors like finance and medical research as well. Any knowledge based industry relies on virtuous cycles of more and more talent being in one place.

The idea that location no longer matters because of communications technology, etc is a complete myth. It’s just based on where people want to live, not natural resources, navigable rivers, etc as it might have been in the industrial economy.

This actually leads to more concentration of economic prosperity rather than less. Natural resources are scattered all over the place, and they aren’t necessarily in the places where people would choose to live for reasons other than their jobs, etc. The more it becomes just a matter of a mobile work force of more highly-educated and highly-compensated individuals deciding where they want to be, the fewer places will be successful.

London is a classic example. Other places in England once thrived because of mills or ports or whatever. But now London is the biggest city, the capital, the financial centre, the media centre, the technology centre, with the best connectivity to the rest of the world, the best restaurants and culture, the most wealth, and actually (bearing in mind this is all relative) the best weather in the UK. For the UK it’s basically NYC, DC, SF, LA, Boston, Houston and Miami all rolled into one.

The US is much too large for the same dynamic to ever exist, but you’ll still see the “cream” of society and the economy concentrating itself more and more, as other places die. Even regionally, Chicago has been sucking the life force from other Midwestern cities for decades.
Most people on this forum will celebrate this, of course. We love our big cities.

Truth is, I think our country (America) needs to have healthy smaller towns and midsize cities. We had it good in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s when we had literally tens of thousands of robust towns everywhere, offering a good quality of life.

Yes, that period was not exactly a golden age for NYC or DC, Chicago, Boston, etc etc, but people everywhere lived pretty well without having to move.

It’s not out of line, even as an urbanist, to mourn a little bit for what we are losing.
     
     
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^ yes it is a shame the trend in the world is toward mega cities and consolidation. it doesn't seem healthy.


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Well, evidently Long Island City does have an idea, which they successfully pitched to Amazon.

It’s the average Joe on the street who has no idea, but the average Joe on the street rarely has a clue about anything. So who cares?
pretty sure the average joe on the street who has to live with it cares.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 3:46 PM
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Miami still has hope. Well... at least their trying.


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Miami’s Chances Of Landing Amazon Improved After HQ2 Split, Worldcenter Developer Says


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Miami is trying for a consolation prize, a Latin America HQ if amazon ever builds one.
     
     
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This is sort of how the world works. And it’s not unique to tech, it’s true of sectors like finance and medical research as well. Any knowledge based industry relies on virtuous cycles of more and more talent being in one place.

The idea that location no longer matters because of communications technology, etc is a complete myth. It’s just based on where people want to live, not natural resources, navigable rivers, etc as it might have been in the industrial economy.

This actually leads to more concentration of economic prosperity rather than less. Natural resources are scattered all over the place, and they aren’t necessarily in the places where people would choose to live for reasons other than their jobs, etc. The more it becomes just a matter of a mobile work force of more highly-educated and highly-compensated individuals deciding where they want to be, the fewer places will be successful.

London is a classic example. Other places in England once thrived because of mills or ports or whatever. But now London is the biggest city, the capital, the financial centre, the media centre, the technology centre, with the best connectivity to the rest of the world, the best restaurants and culture, the most wealth, and actually (bearing in mind this is all relative) the best weather in the UK. For the UK it’s basically NYC, DC, SF, LA, Boston, Houston and Miami all rolled into one.

The US is much too large for the same dynamic to ever exist, but you’ll still see the “cream” of society and the economy concentrating itself more and more, as other places die. Even regionally, Chicago has been sucking the life force from other Midwestern cities for decades.
Industries consolidate into cities, but large companies tend to flee the city because they have the influence to tell their workers where to live. What Amazon is doing is a bit counterintuitive, and I'm skeptical we've been given the real reason behind it.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 4:28 PM
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"Amazon HQ2 talks are ‘stamp of approval’ for New York tech scene
Once-derelict Long Island City has attracted employers such as JetBlue, Altice and Estée Lauder"
     
     
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A great local DC blog just posted on why Crystal City was a good pick as well as its history and what is planned for the area. A very balanced read on the situation in Crystal City.

https://ggwash.org/view/69791/crystal-city-is-probably-ready-for-hq2s-transformation
     
     
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A great local DC blog just posted on why Crystal City was a good pick as well as its history and what is planned for the area. A very balanced read on the situation in Crystal City.

https://ggwash.org/view/69791/crystal-city-is-probably-ready-for-hq2s-transformation
Crystal City is a much better choice than the area by Sterling. Amazon will completely revive CC.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 5:37 PM
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Once-derelict Long Island City

In June 2000 I walked across the Queensboro Bridge and shot a roll or two of color slides (yes COLOR SLIDES) in Long Island City. Not quite as derelict as Williamsburg at that time, but I nevertheless had the place to myself. DUMBO was completely empty at the time. I knew a guy who was splitting an entire floor of a warehouse with another guy for $800. They had free reign of the lots around the warehouse and shot an underwater dream scene for an independent movie in a discarded shipping container. They built a family room in the container and then filled it up with a hose.
     
     
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Getting cities to submit bids assuming they’d get a HQ2 and then pulling a bait-and-switch and awarding them a HQ2a or HQ2b is Bezos taking this to an entire different level,” Aron Pinson, chief investment officer of LPS Financial, wrote in an email on Tuesday.

The New York Times added that Amazon also has more workers in those two metropolitan regions than anywhere outside of Seattle, with 1,800 employees in New York City and 2,500 workers in the Washington area.

With the two East Coast locations reportedly in the prime position to get deals with Amazon, some critics have speculated that the whole process was simply a way to get the maximum amount of incentives from local governments.

D.A. Davidson analyst Tom Forte believes that the two-location outcome is a brilliant move by the company.

“Two locations makes a lot of sense. It allows Amazon to double-dip and maximize the incentives it receives from governments,” he said in a phone interview on Tuesday. “The company will also have access to a larger talent pool and more-diverse business opportunities.” Forte pointed to the advertising market in New York City and the potential for more government contracts from the Washington area.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/amazon-...-headquarters-draws-criticism-1541532145
     
     
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Crystal City is a much better choice than the area by Sterling. Amazon will completely revive CC.
Sterling is as dull and bland as it gets.
     
     
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