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Old Posted Nov 1, 2018, 11:21 PM
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2018, 6:21 PM
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Something that I don't understand about the Gulch debate is that. those who oppose the deal have not offered ANY solutions or parts of the deal they would like to see changed other than specifically reserving space for a MMPT which I wholeheatedly agree with.

Here's a plea from A J Robinson.

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As a longtime city advocate and observer, I’m compelled to make a personal plea for all of you to begin caring about the Gulch. During my almost forty year career in Atlanta, I, like many, have worked hard to keep Downtown in the running. Despite the primary obstacle of a grossly underutilized tax base (approximately 30% of Downtown property does not pay property tax), we are making progress but our northern neighbors continue to attract significantly more development capital to their markets.

The Gulch has long been identified as a major hindrance to the City’s economic and equitable growth. The case for its redevelopment dates back decades and finally in 1999, almost 20 years ago, the Westside TAD Redevelopment Plan identified the Gulch as a “major tear in the urban fabric, dividing the area and acting as an obstacle to investment” and a “ravine...that has visually, socially, and physically divided the area.”

Further, the Plan goes on to reiterate the very limitations of the site that we are grappling with today, advising that, “Due to the physical obstacle created by the raised roadways and the railroads, government assistance will most likely be essential for any development to occur.” These excerpts from a Plan dated almost twenty years ago strengthen the argument that the “time to do something is now.”

The Gulch redevelopment is an opportunity for the City to redefine its image and catalyze our next wave of growth, particularly in an area that can and should accommodate new residences (20 percent are promised to be affordable), office space, and businesses that are necessary to drive our economy. All at a site that is served by two MARTA stations and can preserve future commuter rail access.
https://www.atlantadowntown.com/blog/a-letter-from-cap-and-adid-president-aj-robinson
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2018, 6:38 PM
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Oh I forgot about the private streets. I would like them to in fact make them private to be donated to the city at no cost at end of the deal. This way the streets are privately maintained for a period that will allow the neighborhood to develop but revert back to the public in the future.
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2018, 12:10 AM
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Passage of Gulch plan a test for Atlanta mayor’s young administration

https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--pol...P/amp.html#click=https://t.co/1GvhlRcJir
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2018, 2:41 PM
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Norfolk Southern will confirm if they're moving forward with their HQ relocation after today's council vote...

https://www.11alive.com/mobile/article/n...e-on-norfolk-southern-move/291-611268004
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2018, 2:53 PM
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Norfolk Southern will confirm if they're moving forward with their HQ relocation after today's council vote...

https://www.11alive.com/mobile/article/n...e-on-norfolk-southern-move/291-611268004
An interesting blurb in the article...

"It's not clear what Norfolk Southern would do if the Atlanta City Council votes against The Gulch deal Monday. But Boyd believes the railroad company has already made its decision."

I tend to agree. If having their HQ in Atlanta is the best long-term move, it's going to happen regardless. It just may be a question of when and in what form.
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2018, 7:12 PM
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92 people signed up to speak at the City Council meeting, although 72 of them are yielding their time.
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2018, 9:10 PM
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92 people signed up to speak at the City Council meeting, although 72 of them are yielding their time.
So I suppose that means 73 against and 19 for? The gulch project has a bunch of agenda items on the list today. A lot of them around funding

I noticed the Emory parking deck at W. Peachtree & Linden is on there too
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2018, 10:17 PM
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So when do we find out how the vote went down?
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2018, 10:25 PM
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So when do we find out how the vote went down?
*MAYBE* next Tuesday?

They're still in the public comment portion of the meeting and there's still a ton of people that want to speak.
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*MAYBE* next Tuesday?

They're still in the public comment portion of the meeting and there's still a ton of people that want to speak.
They took a recess now. I think the comments on the 'gultch' are closed, and they are scheduled to finish all public comment by 6:15p. It will be a long night.
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So today could be the day in which we lost Amazon, Norfolk Southern, AND the Gulch development.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2018, 12:08 AM
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The next (last?) public comment period for gulch starting again now. I think they finally vote after. I wouldn't last a week as a councilmember!
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thanks for the updates Trainiac.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2018, 12:25 AM
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Just 4 more speakers to go.

Maybe a vote finally between now and 8:30pm
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So today could be the day in which we lost Amazon, Norfolk Southern, AND the Gulch development.
Is now a bad time to bring up that we had a 28-3 lead?
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Is now a bad time to bring up that we had a 28-3 lead?
These jokers speaking are all implying city council will be voted out of office and there was something 'illegal' going on. They seem to pulling at straws.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2018, 12:58 AM
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2 more speakers to go.

Someome on the list who left has come back.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2018, 1:12 AM
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These jokers speaking are all implying city council will be voted out of office and there was something 'illegal' going on. They seem to pulling at straws.
I was able to watch earlier and luckily there seemed to be a lot of local business people there supporting the deal. Hopefully their words aren't ignored.
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2018, 1:52 AM
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In midst of "committee of the whole" going over all gulch amendments at once, then when that committee closes they will vote on each amendment. Then the final agreement vote. Maybe 10pm? Not sure if they hard time stop
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