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Old Posted Nov 5, 2018, 10:25 PM
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It's never been clear to me exactly what work would be done at HQ2. What is the main focus?

If the focus is business and consumer trends, then the North East makes sense, maybe LA.
If the focus is business and greasing the wheels of government, Virginia.
If the focus is technology, engineering, then Chicago, Dallas, Austin
If the focus is cheap land, cheap labor, then any of the rest.

So what is HQ2 supposed to do?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2018, 10:28 PM
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^ Two problems. First, growth in Seattle is killing them, because they have to spend so much to bring people in, and can't even get people who just won't move to Seattle. So they need to set up somewhere they can pull in the people they want. This is exacerbated by the growth limits Seattle has imposed, including new taxes. Second, this project probably started as a way to move to the DC area, for political reasons.

So it's about both of these. That said, I agree that a whole bunch of offices would seem to make more sense.
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2018, 10:30 PM
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My impression/guess is the #1 factor is to attract people who won't move to Seattle.
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The real HQ2 was the dignity we lost along the way.

After more than a year of corporate pageantry and public prostration, culminating in the governor of New York offering on Monday to rename himself “Amazon Cuomo,” the Seattle-based everything store may have decided to split its mythic second headquarters into two regional branches, at least according to a report in the Wall Street Journal.

That comes after the Washington Post reported that the company was zeroing in on Crystal City, Virginia, a suburb of Washington, D.C.; a report from the Journal that the final finalists were Crystal City, Dallas, and New York City; and a suggestion from CNBC that the headquarters might be split between Crystal City and Austin, Texas.

Perhaps, like King Solomon, Jeff Bezos will know the true home of Amazon’s second headquarters by whichever mayor surrenders his share to protect the company’s integrity.

The rumors have been flying thick and fast, and no one really knows what’s going on. But Amazon might just be doing what all big, expanding companies do: Put a new office here, and a new office there, and maybe later, another office somewhere else.

The galaxy-brain take on the Journal scoop is that Amazon knew it didn’t want to build everything in one place anyway, and realized it could solicit more generous offers from cities and states if it promised the prestige of a single, second headquarters. The prize may be smaller now, but what elected official—given the option to return triumphant to his chamber of commerce—would dare ask to renegotiate?

I think it’s more likely that Bezos and Co. really did believe they were doing something unprecedented when they announced the search for a second headquarters last fall. Maybe they even thought that Seattle’s Amazon campus and HQ2 could effectively function as two equivalent poles of power in the company. That arrangement has few analogues, but then neither does Amazon itself.

What happened next? Reality. Amazon’s request for proposals asked for a kind of American utopia, a big city with an international airport and good transit and a high quality-of-life and low taxes and and and… Most cities that threw their name in the hat boasted of their assets and promised to rectify their deficiencies, debasing themselves before a company that threatens most of their small retail businesses.

The scale of Amazon’s proposal was also overwhelming: An office with 50,000 workers would be twice the presence that Bank of America (the nation’s second-largest bank) retains at its primary headquarters in Charlotte, North Carolina. A requirement for offices up to 8 million square feet would put HQ2 on the same scale as the company’s Seattle campus, making it twice as large as the nation’s next-largest corporate office, Citi’s 3.7 million square feet in New York.

One way to think of that is as a one-of-a-kind demand for space, both for the office itself and for its workers. That expectation has sent the stock of Crystal City’s largest holder of office space up by more than 30 percent since this time last year. Other bettors have taken stakes in the local housing market.

But it’s also a once-in-a-lifetime demand for talent: 50,000 workers would mean Amazon hiring one in 20 workers in a mid-sized metro like Pittsburgh or Austin.

So you can see why Amazon executives might have decided that the initial idea was a bit of a moonshot. In the end, the company will end up doing what most companies do. It might assign second offices based on their specialties—government contracting inside the Beltway, robotics in Pittsburgh, finance in New York. Or it might split its expansion between a high-cost, high-talent metro like Washington, D.C., and a cheaper place to set up shop, like Dallas, where it can pay lower wages. That model—executive talent in a hot city; back-office in a Sun Belt exurb—is widespread in corporate America.

Whether Jeff Bezos still intends to build a Seattle-size second headquarters or ever did, Amazon did succeed in orchestrating a national groveling campaign that put virtually every public official on the record in praise of its business model. The reward is public subsidy in whatever location it chooses, but the contest must have been at least as sweet as its ending.
https://slate.com/business/2018/11/what-if-there-is-no-amazon-hq2.html

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lol, what a clusterf*ck this has become. I wonder if cities that offered incentives and only get half of what was promised will still be forced to fork over the full incentive package.

This bait and switch so late in the game seems really shady. Hopefully this isn't coming to the finalist cities by surprise, and rather they were given a heads up well in advance (with all the appropriate NDAs being issued/signed)
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2018, 11:34 PM
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lol, what a clusterf*ck this has become. I wonder if cities that offered incentives and only get half of what was promised will still be forced to fork over the full incentive package.

This bait and switch so late in the game seems really shady. Hopefully this isn't coming to the finalist cities by surprise, and rather they were given a heads up well in advance (with all the appropriate NDAs being issued/signed)
It has been a fun little game following it(especially since I have known damn well my city has never stood a chance-I even bet against my own city lol)but at this point it is just tiresome and irritating.

Just end it so I can collect my money.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2018, 12:47 AM
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2018, 1:22 AM
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A lot of high quality shitposting. Well done all.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2018, 1:43 AM
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According to the NY Times, it is now LIC, NY and Arlington, VA. I wonder which site in LIC are they thinking about building the campus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/technology/amazon-second-headquarters-split.html
     
     
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Now NYT says Long Island City for the 2nd site.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2018, 1:51 AM
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let's divide it into thirds and put Dallas back!

then let's make the new employees arm wrestle for which site they go to!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 6, 2018, 1:52 AM
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Now NYT says Long Island City for the 2nd site.
My inside info says couumbous Ohio
     
     
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I've only posted twice in this thread, but it if the latest news ends up being true (which it can still not be), then it turns out that I wasn't far off from my post in the very beginning of this thread.

They can start out with current office supply in LIC and plan their expansion right next door over the rail yards, and custom design their own campus

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Not saying it's likely or not likely..... but if Amazon were to come to NYC, I don't see why everyone is bringing up Hudson Yards, the 2nd phase of which is supposed to be primarily residential, and whose office space is already filling up. I think it'd be much more likely that they'd want to start from scratch, so-to-speak.

So why not the Sunnyside Yards?:

Close to transportation with 7 subway lines, close to interstate highways, close to Manhattan, close to international airports. and lots of space to expand. Their initial 500K of office space could be on a shovel-ready site adjacent to the yards as they are being prepped for development.





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And from this below, we can see that Sunnyside Yards has a potential build-out of 30M sqft... so that's way more then the required 8M sqft they want by 2028.

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wishful thinking Amazon could plop a few thousand employees at 2 WTC while they're at it...
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Just move it to the moon already. Literally the moon. Its still better than Crystal city. And the moon looks like the top of Bezos head, so there you have it. Something worthy of the founder.

But on a serious note, next to the moon, I think Newark/NYC would be fantastic. I do wonder if my taxes will rise, but hey... its NJ! Its what we do.


     
     
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Shaking my head at the comments about Crystal city as if it were in the middle of Iowa. It’s a few minutes from DC. You think it’s boring there? Then just cross the bridge.
     
     
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Now NYT says Long Island City for the 2nd site.
I for one am looking forward to Governor Amazon Cuomo
     
     
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