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Old Posted Oct 25, 2018, 11:43 PM
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Some interpret metro results as a message to go slower on different kinds of development:
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2018/10/25/Slower-Development-New-Transit-Post-Election/
     
     
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How much slower could they possibly go without forcing people into shanty towns? Vancouver needs to get even more expensive?
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Some interpret metro results as a message to go slower on different kinds of development:
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2018/10/25/Slower-Development-New-Transit-Post-Election/
To be fair half of them are 'slow down on demovictions for highrise investor suites' - the other half...
     
     
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Some interpret metro results as a message to go slower on different kinds of development:
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2018/10/25/Slower-Development-New-Transit-Post-Election/
It would be interesting to see a more comprehensive take on what expectations for development are across the whole on Metro, now the election results are known. My takeaway from that article was:
  • In future Burnaby projects won't be approved that end up with a net loss of rental, and maybe some form of affordability built in as well, and possibly a mechanism to try to protect existing renters in buildings that are coming down.
  • The mayor of the District of North Vancouver wants to protect existing renters too.
  • The new mayor of Port Moody (and enough like minded councilors) seem to want less, and slower development, and a pause while a new City Plan is developed and consulted. The new council in White Rock also want less development, and a new plan.
  • In Surrey the mayor (and presumably council) want to keep it slow too, and concentrate development on major corridors. (I don't see that as a radical change from where the major growth has been in the past few years, but perhaps it means no more Morgan Crossings?)

That leaves a lot of municipalities where it's less clear that there will be any change. There's unlikely to be any slow down in Richmond, (subject to market conditions, obviously) where there are several major projects on the horizon, or in New Westminster which would seem to be business as usual.

Vancouver is really unclear (to me), as it doesn't seem obvious that Council will agree on what they'll support in the way of new rezoning, but I guess we'll know after the first few Public Hearings, and there are plenty of approved rezonings to keep the market active for several years. If the new Council endorse the idea, and the planners can produce a city-wide plan without causing riots in the streets (or Avenues) it might speed development up if there's more certainty and fewer rezonings. That's certainly how the West End Plan has played out.
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Corrigan 'saw the light' and started pushing for rentals. From the latest Major Development Projects for Metrotown:

Initial Report April 16th

Rez 17-27 6444 - Willingdon Avenue and 4241 Maywood Street
Construction of a single high-rise apartment building with street oriented townhousing, and a low-rise non-market rental building
347 market and 30 non-market

Rez 17-28 - 6075 Wilson Avenue
Construction of a single-high rise apartment building with street oriented-townhousing, as well as a non-market housing component
347 market and 32 non-market


Initial Report TABLED June 11th

Rez 17-39 - 6444 Silver Avenue
High-rise apartment building with townhouses fronting Silver Avenue

REZ 17-10000 - 5868 Olive Avenue
High-rise apartment building with townhouses fronting Olive Avenue

REZ 17-10004 - 4330 Maywood Street
Single mid-rise apartment building and a small commercial tenancy fronting Maywood Street.

REZ 17-10008 - 5777 Willingdon Avenue and 4475 Grange Street
High-rise apartment building with a low-rise market rental apartment building

Too little too late
Much like the Liberals in the Provincial elections with their Empty homes tax.

(....although ironically, that actually seems to be working, but didn't come in enough time to save them)

For the longest time everyone saw this housing problem coming and for the longest time they did next to nothing because they were too busy getting engorged in fat checks and campaign donations from powerful developers' lobbies as well as the extra taxes that foreign buyers were putting into their coffers with the high-end, out-of-control condo market.

Had they actually started pushing hard for some of these policies much earlier they might have saved themselves.

Oh well....

I still sense and see some recalcitrance and slowness to adapt and react to the urgency of the moment even with this new group, but at least now they know that this housing issue is top of mind for a lot of voters enough to sway their political fates.
     
     
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How much slower could they possibly go without forcing people into shanty towns? Vancouver needs to get even more expensive?
I think the issue is the vancouver/burnaby model of development has took over the entire metro vancouver region.

People who moved to Langley / Surrey / Abbotsford originally were all about buying a house for cheaper, getting away from the craziness of Vancouver & Burnaby, and now that option no longer exists without leaving the region. 5-10 years ago, people could live in Langley, live a quiet lifestyle and still be close to Vancouver for work/pleasure.

Personally, going from 1-2 acre lots to condo’s is a huge change, and it shouldnt have built up that quick, not to mention the infrastructure severely lacks for these Areas (208 St willoughby)

Also, the idea of buying out in the burbs because its affordable is no longer a reality, so alot of people especially me find it frustrating that I can't buy a house or really anything for a reasonable mortgage payment and I live in Aldergrove, which is 1-1.5 hours away from Vancouver during rush hour. Municipalities like Langley were never meant to be developed like this, so its forcing alot of old timers to leave, and now those who wanted to upsize from burnaby/coquitlam moved out here, and the dynamic just completely changed. It used to be this friendly place, and now its like everywhere else, its nothing special
     
     
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Really curious to see the development of the new City-wide parking by-law update in 2019 with this new council and its impact on developments / rental / costs.

Here's to hoping they don't muck it up and make more positive changes. Summary below:

https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/city-of-vancouver-2019-parking-bylaw-update-summary.pdf

Meeting with some NPA members soon to gauge their positions on some places. Hoping they're still pro-rental in most parts of the city.
     
     
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I think the issue is the vancouver/burnaby model of development has took over the entire metro vancouver region.

People who moved to Langley / Surrey / Abbotsford originally were all about buying a house for cheaper, getting away from the craziness of Vancouver & Burnaby, and now that option no longer exists without leaving the region. 5-10 years ago, people could live in Langley, live a quiet lifestyle and still be close to Vancouver for work/pleasure.

Personally, going from 1-2 acre lots to condo’s is a huge change, and it shouldnt have built up that quick, not to mention the infrastructure severely lacks for these Areas (208 St willoughby)

Also, the idea of buying out in the burbs because its affordable is no longer a reality, so alot of people especially me find it frustrating that I can't buy a house or really anything for a reasonable mortgage payment and I live in Aldergrove, which is 1-1.5 hours away from Vancouver during rush hour. Municipalities like Langley were never meant to be developed like this, so its forcing alot of old timers to leave, and now those who wanted to upsize from burnaby/coquitlam moved out here, and the dynamic just completely changed. It used to be this friendly place, and now its like everywhere else, its nothing special
Problem is that Metro Van no longer has the space or Earth the resources - if they ever did - for people to live in the boonies and drive to the city. I can sympathize with Langley residents to a certain extent, but they really are going to have to decide whether they want the comforts of the city or the quiet of the country (in which case there's plenty of small cities in the Okanagan and Vancouver Island). If everybody decided they wanted an acre of their own and nothing around for miles, the sprawl would reach Kamloops.

As for affordability, condos are definitely not everybody's cup of tea, but people can't want an affordable home and oppose everything taller than five floors, even duplexes and walkups. That's not how supply and demand works.
     
     
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Really curious to see the development of the new City-wide parking by-law update in 2019 with this new council and its impact on developments / rental / costs.

Here's to hoping they don't muck it up and make more positive changes. Summary below:

https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/city-of-vancouver-2019-parking-bylaw-update-summary.pdf

Meeting with some NPA members soon to gauge their positions on some places. Hoping they're still pro-rental in most parts of the city.
Figured they'd implement this eventually given the push towards biking, ride sharing, etc.

Any idea if they'll expand this? Seems like a lot of policies focus on downtown.

PS: Would appreciate if you asked them if there going to push to remove the empty home tax (with the spec tax it seems like double dipping and I remember Ken Sim said he would). And if they will be continuing the interim Broadway plan or doing something new.

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Problem is that Metro Van no longer has the space or Earth the resources - if they ever did - for people to live in the boonies and drive to the city. I can sympathize with Langley residents to a certain extent, but they really are going to have to decide whether they want the comforts of the city or the quiet of the country (in which case there's plenty of small cities in the Okanagan and Vancouver Island). If everybody decided they wanted an acre of their own and nothing around for miles, the sprawl would reach Kamloops.

As for affordability, condos are definitely not everybody's cup of tea, but people can't want an affordable home and oppose everything taller than five floors, even duplexes and walkups. That's not how supply and demand works.
But what bothers me is the price differential for homes in Langley versus East Side Vancouver is shrinking over time, so as a buyer, why would i bother living in Langley if I can live in Vancouver? Problem is that I moved to Langley to give myself some piece of mind and that is slowly disappearing. That being said, my job is extremely well paying, and even then, I cant afford a tool shed in Langley. But im not getting this job anywhere else, so leaving is not an option. So im stuck living in a city that doesnt offer me what I want, which is more space and less crowds.
     
     
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Also,

I dont mind development so to speak, but converting every acreage into condo’s isnt exactly fair to us, why not build more affordable single family homes? We dont need luxurious homes, build with builder’s grade , smaller footprints, etc.
     
     
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Figured they'd implement this eventually given the push towards biking, ride sharing, etc.

Any idea if they'll expand this? Seems like a lot of policies focus on downtown.

PS: Would appreciate if you asked them if there going to push to remove the empty home tax (with the spec tax it seems like double dipping and I remember Ken Sim said he would). And if they will be continuing the interim Broadway plan or doing something new.
1) Yeah it's a January 2019 implementation for City-wide policies and the Downtown was back in September.

2) The January release is City-wide and has some major ramifications in a good way. The biggest being the new Transportation Demand Management "report" or "worksheet" that you can apply for on a development to get parking reduction "points". I really like it.

3) I really don't think the NPA would want to eliminate the EH Tax but maybe put it back to where it was, and not raise it like Stewart suggests. It's on our radar but doesn't really affect us (probably won't ask). Besides, they don't have a majority of votes, but the Green's are a bit of a wild card.

4) We are very curious on their Broadway Corridor position. On our radar and concerned (?) about for future projects. Major asks will be on housing / height is limited with hospital approaches.

TDM parking relaxation policy here: https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/transportation-demand-management-for-developments-in-vancouver.pdf
     
     
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I dont mind development so to speak, but converting every acreage into condo’s isnt exactly fair to us, why not build more affordable single family homes? We dont need luxurious homes, build with builder’s grade , smaller footprints, etc.
No such thing in Metro Vancouver. Not going to happen. Ever. 🞵🞵🞵🞵-shacks are going for millions these days and you still think it's within reality to find an affordable SFH with a big yard? The last thing this region needs is SFH when we have a housing affordability/supply crisis. Sorry to break it to you, but I personally think that SFH's are going to be sitting on the back-burner for a long time with this new council.

You really just can't have a big lot and house out in the suburbs anymore, that's just not the reality anymore. Time's have changed, and for some not for the better.

I don't know your situation but you have my sympathies. Perhaps you can buy some legal cannabis, chill, and reflect upon the changes with this great job of your's .
     
     
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But what bothers me is the price differential for homes in Langley versus East Side Vancouver is shrinking over time, so as a buyer, why would i bother living in Langley if I can live in Vancouver? Problem is that I moved to Langley to give myself some piece of mind and that is slowly disappearing. That being said, my job is extremely well paying, and even then, I cant afford a tool shed in Langley. But im not getting this job anywhere else, so leaving is not an option. So im stuck living in a city that doesnt offer me what I want, which is more space and less crowds.
True. Which is why if Langley urbanizes, it needs to do so in a way that adequately substitutes for most of the amenities downtown, and it needs to make the rest easily accessible by SkyTrain. Luckily, it seems that both points are being addressed.

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Also, I dont mind development so to speak, but converting every acreage into condo’s isnt exactly fair to us, why not build more affordable single family homes? We dont need luxurious homes, build with builder’s grade , smaller footprints, etc.
Well Vancouver can't just stop building condos, otherwise the condo crowd is going to spill over into the other markets and buy those instead.

If you mean detached 2-3 bedroom houses but with smaller lots, that's sprawl only up to Hope rather than Kamloops. If you mean family-sized residences, then yeah, we need duplexes, townhomes, walk-up apartments and other "missing middle" growth as well. The point is that (with or without foreign money) as dense as we are, we need to get even denser... except that most voters and the politicians they just elected are preaching the opposite.
     
     
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Is Stewart going to get enough votes to raise the EHT to 3%? Carr is the one who basically seems to be NPA in all but name. It will be interesting to see how she votes in a divided council now.
     
     
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True. Which is why if Langley urbanizes, it needs to do so in a way that adequately substitutes for most of the amenities downtown, and it needs to make the rest easily accessible by SkyTrain. Luckily, it seems that both points are being addressed.



Well Vancouver can't just stop building condos, otherwise the condo crowd is going to spill over into the other markets and buy those instead.

If you mean detached 2-3 bedroom houses but with smaller lots, that's sprawl only up to Hope rather than Kamloops. If you mean family-sized residences, then yeah, we need duplexes, townhomes, walk-up apartments and other "missing middle" growth as well. The point is that (with or without foreign money) as dense as we are, we need to get even denser... except that most voters and the politicians they just elected are preaching the opposite.
There’s already sprawl, with acreages turning into condo’s, but why does it have to always be luxurious SFH, or multi unit condo’s? People dont always want to live in condo’s or semi-detached residences, so why are we being forced to do so?

Also, I have studied Metro Vancouver for quite awhile now, when Gregor announced that there is no more room for SFH developments, I had to sniff at that a bit, because Southlands is mutli-acre lands, so is most of the land east of the UEL in the north sector, as is alot of land in Shaughnessey. There's also tons of Double wide lots throughout the East side that could be sub-divided, so the potential to add more SFH in Vancouver is still great.

Burnaby on the other hand is quite limited, with ALR land in the Fraser lands protected, the only logical area for growth is along Burnaby Mountain, but alot of that is either industrial or park land, so it's a no go.

Coquitlam / Port Moody / Port Coquitlam still has some areas that could be turned into more housing without tearing down existing structures, but that's by building into the mountains. North shore/west van seem to build higher and higher, so not sure if that'll stop.

South Surrey / Port Kells is still acreage, and while most of the areas have been slated for development over the next 20 years, SFH developments could be built there. I think that's a smarter way of growth, as opposed to tearing down Port Kells and turning it all into Multi-use high density neighbourhoods like Willoughby. Willoughby is a disaster and was poorly planned, im glad Brookswood/Fernridge is only allocating 9% of its lands for High Density, the rest are 4000-7000 sq ft SFH lots, its exciting!

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There’s already sprawl, with acreages turning into condo’s, but why does it have to always be luxurious SFH, or multi unit condo’s? People dont always want to live in condo’s or semi-detached residences, so why are we being forced to do so?
The issue is cost of construction. Labour and materials costs are through the roof in the Lower Mainland, with the cost of labour being especially high due to a shortage of trades. One report indicated that construction costs for a higher-quality four-storey, wood-frame condo building would peak at $250 per square foot. This compares with $195 per square foot in Toronto and $175 or less in nearly every other city in the country:
https://www.vancourier.com/real-estate/vancouver-construction-costs-highest-in-canada-1.23194873
https://www.altusgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/altusgroup_costguide2017_web.pdf

There's more margin with the high end construction in order to absorb the cost of construction; otherwise, the only hope someone can recoup their investment is through extremely high levels of density to spread the costs across more units.
     
     
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The issue is cost of construction. Labour and materials costs are through the roof in the Lower Mainland, with the cost of labour being especially high due to a shortage of trades. One report indicated that construction costs for a higher-quality four-storey, wood-frame condo building would peak at $250 per square foot. This compares with $195 per square foot in Toronto and $175 or less in nearly every other city in the country:
https://www.vancourier.com/real-estate/vancouver-construction-costs-highest-in-canada-1.23194873
https://www.altusgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/altusgroup_costguide2017_web.pdf

There's more margin with the high end construction in order to absorb the cost of construction; otherwise, the only hope someone can recoup their investment is through extremely high levels of density to spread the costs across more units.
High prices and a booming demand allowed us to afford to pay the wages needed to get construction done. Now how are we going to pay for it to increase even more with prices dropping, more restrictions on development, and developers dropping out. Prices are going to have to rise again just because supply stops outpacing demand again.
     
     
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There’s already sprawl, with acreages turning into condo’s, but why does it have to always be luxurious SFH, or multi unit condo’s? People dont always want to live in condo’s or semi-detached residences, so why are we being forced to do so?
Which is why, again, voters should back candidates who advocate rowhouses, rentals, co-ops and state housing. That way, we don’t get just condos and mansions.

Nobody’s forcing nobody, you’re free to get a megahouse in Abbotsford or beyond at any given time. If you want to stay in the city, you have to accept that 2.4 million (and counting) also want to stay in the city. That means things have to get more crowded. Continuing to oppose anything higher than two storeys is a good way to make real estate even more expensive – just look at San Fran.

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Also, I have studied Metro Vancouver for quite awhile now, when Gregor announced that there is no more room for SFH developments, I had to sniff at that a bit, because Southlands is mutli-acre lands, so is most of the land east of the UEL in the north sector, as is alot of land in Shaughnessey. There's also tons of Double wide lots throughout the East side that could be sub-divided, so the potential to add more SFH in Vancouver is still great.

Burnaby on the other hand is quite limited, with ALR land in the Fraser lands protected, the only logical area for growth is along Burnaby Mountain, but alot of that is either industrial or park land, so it's a no go.

Coquitlam / Port Moody / Port Coquitlam still has some areas that could be turned into more housing without tearing down existing structures, but that's by building into the mountains. North shore/west van seem to build higher and higher, so not sure if that'll stop.
Not sure what you’re suggesting here. This is an acre. We might be using different versions of Google Maps, because I’m not seeing any such lot sizes between UBC and Boundary, not even in Shaughnessy.

If you want your new SFHs to replace much-treasured woodland or parkland, that’s a non-starter (another nice thing about density - it makes the "trees vs homes" argument redundant). If you want secondary suites and laneways, that’s already happening, and it’s nowhere near enough for the existing population, much less the newcomers. If you want two smaller homes in one existing lot, that’s pretty much a duplex.
On top of that, all of your locations are very far removed from any jobs/retail/amenities/etc and hard to reach with transit, meaning they require their occupants to drive out just for a jug of milk, and it takes twice as long for a party guest/repairman/firefighter to drive in. So that’s even more traffic for our already-crowded roads.

Compare and contrast with building a lot of lowrise/midrise apartments on an arterial with a rapid transit line, commercial space underneath them, and townhomes and walkups on the adjacent side streets; a neighbourhood like Dunbar now fits on a dozen blocks, 3/4ths of what they need is downstairs, and the rest is a short bus/train ride away, so little to no driving. Much better usage of a city’s limited space.

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South Surrey / Port Kells is still acreage, and while most of the areas have been slated for development over the next 20 years, SFH developments could be built there. I think that's a smarter way of growth, as opposed to tearing down Port Kells and turning it all into Multi-use high density neighbourhoods like Willoughby. Willoughby is a disaster and was poorly planned, im glad Brookswood/Fernridge is only allocating 9% of its lands for High Density, the rest are 4000-7000 sq ft SFH lots, its exciting!
4,000+ square feet for one family? Unless it’s the PM’s family - and even then they probably don’t need five bedrooms - a plantation-sized house in the woods is completely unnecessary. You literally decried “luxurious SFH” in the post above.

Willoughby is a bad location, being completely cut off from the rest of the metro, but it’s exactly the kind of growth that Langley City should aim for. A smarter and less democratic government would’ve bulldozed Fernridge by now and moved it inward.
     
     
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Which is why, again, voters should back candidates who advocate rowhouses, rentals, co-ops and state housing. That way, we don’t get just condos and mansions.

Nobody’s forcing nobody, you’re free to get a megahouse in Abbotsford or beyond at any given time. If you want to stay in the city, you have to accept that 2.4 million (and counting) also want to stay in the city. That means things have to get more crowded. Continuing to oppose anything higher than two storeys is a good way to make real estate even more expensive – just look at San Fran.



Not sure what you’re suggesting here. This is an acre. We might be using different versions of Google Maps, because I’m not seeing any such lot sizes between UBC and Boundary, not even in Shaughnessy.

If you want your new SFHs to replace much-treasured woodland or parkland, that’s a non-starter (another nice thing about density - it makes the "trees vs homes" argument redundant). If you want secondary suites and laneways, that’s already happening, and it’s nowhere near enough for the existing population, much less the newcomers. If you want two smaller homes in one existing lot, that’s pretty much a duplex.
On top of that, all of your locations are very far removed from any jobs/retail/amenities/etc and hard to reach with transit, meaning they require their occupants to drive out just for a jug of milk, and it takes twice as long for a party guest/repairman/firefighter to drive in. So that’s even more traffic for our already-crowded roads.

Compare and contrast with building a lot of lowrise/midrise apartments on an arterial with a rapid transit line, commercial space underneath them, and townhomes and walkups on the adjacent side streets; a neighbourhood like Dunbar now fits on a dozen blocks, 3/4ths of what they need is downstairs, and the rest is a short bus/train ride away, so little to no driving. Much better usage of a city’s limited space.



4,000+ square feet for one family? Unless it’s the PM’s family - and even then they probably don’t need five bedrooms - a plantation-sized house in the woods is completely unnecessary. You literally decried “luxurious SFH” in the post above.

Willoughby is a bad location, being completely cut off from the rest of the metro, but it’s exactly the kind of growth that Langley City should aim for. A smarter and less democratic government would’ve bulldozed Fernridge by now and moved it inward.
4000 sq ft Lots, the houses they build on those are generally 2000-2100 sq ft at the most, not including basement.

Also, you're describing what majority of pro-development people tend to argue, that the only concern should be building more and more housing, with little regard to the community neighbourhood needs and preferences. I dont know about you, but many people who have lived in the Fraser Valley didn't expect this type of development to occur, and while development is needed, I dont think replacing all these lots with High Density should be the only solution, but that's just my two cents. These 468-900 sq ft Condo's that developers are praising as 'Family friendly' and 'affordable' are nothing but that. Let's take a look at Alexander Square, Willoughby for example, a 468 sq ft 1 Bed, 1 Bath condo is selling for $313,000. Couples and bachelors are about the only people who would comfortably live in that space, and you're looking at still $1000-1500/month for a mortgage payment, which is insane. Then if you want an actual family orientated condo unit, you're looking at nearly $665,000 for a 3 bedroom unit. I could go onto REW.ca and find older townhomes or even newer ones with 3-4 bedrooms for less than that. I'm sorry, but Condo's should be no more than $399,999 for a 3 bedroom, and they should still be 'affordable' options for young people and couples, but no way is a family that needs space to grow is going to opt for a Condo over a house, and with a diminishing supply of houses, in favour of high or mid-density homes, I don't see how that's fair to the people who live here. Also, look at townhome complexes, usually filled with tons of families in crowded road spaces, causing problems for residents, strata councils, strata fees, etc, all headaches that don't make townhome or condo living pleasant. You can tell people all you want that we should move to a small town, or a smaller community elsewhere, but everyone has a right to a home, and people who decide to live in the burbs should be able to afford a simple house. All development does is create a hotter market in the long-term. High supply may be the 'affordable solution' to our real estate market, but lack of buyers will drive down prices. If you encourage development, more people are going to buy which in turn is going to drive up prices, regardless of the supply. So no, I think development needs to slow down rapidly, start with houses, once that fills, build townhomes, once those fill, build low-rise condo's, once that fills, high-rise, etc.
     
     
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