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Old Posted Oct 23, 2018, 6:41 PM
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Too bad about the stupid paving stones that will have to be repaired every spring.
I think the paving stones looks great. Sure, there will be maintenance work and that will cost some money. But not everything needs to be seen through a dollars and cents lens.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2018, 6:48 PM
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I'd rather spend 30 years without the tripping hazards, thanks.
For the record... I've been walking along the paving stone infested sidewalks in Westboro since they were installed 15 years ago or so...

I haven't tripped once, none of my family, friends or neighbors has complained of tripping, and in fact I haven't heard of any stories of anyone tripping at all.

I can't even recall a moment where my balance was thrown off due to the paving stones.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2018, 7:51 PM
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I think the paving stones looks great. Sure, there will be maintenance work and that will cost some money. But not everything needs to be seen through a dollars and cents lens.
You can have pretty pavement by texturizing and colouring concrete or asphalt, without the nuisance, expense, safety hazard, and unsightliness of perpetually frost-heaved invidual stones or bricks.

We keep putting these stupid things in public places in Ottawa, with the same result: Sparks Street, parts of Bank Street and Montreal Road, more recently on Queen. They keep getting destroyed by seasonal frost heave. Someone who makes these design decisions spends too much of their winter in Florida.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2018, 7:53 PM
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For the record... I've been walking along the paving stone infested sidewalks in Westboro since they were installed 15 years ago or so...

I haven't tripped once, none of my family, friends or neighbors has complained of tripping, and in fact I haven't heard of any stories of anyone tripping at all.

I can't even recall a moment where my balance was thrown off due to the paving stones.
I can recall numerous instances, either myself or others, of tripping on misaligned pavers on Sparks or prettified Bank near Sparks, or slipping on frozen puddles in the depressions formed on brick-paved places like Sparks or Montreal Road. It got so bad on Sparks for a while that there were hazard cones and spray paint up and down the worst sections.

There's also accessibility considerations:

https://landscapearchitecturemagazine.org/2012/06/05/the-trouble-with-brick/
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2018, 8:17 PM
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Go to Dubrovnik or any town in Croatia. You'll never complain about our paving stones being tripping hazards again
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2018, 8:45 PM
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Go to Dubrovnik or any town in Croatia. You'll never complain about our paving stones being tripping hazards again
I'm not sure that the medieval cities of Yurp are the best point of comparison, but yeah, I know.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2018, 9:20 PM
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Remember when they said the Confederation line would partially open in time for Canada day in 2017?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2018, 9:41 PM
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Remember when they said the Confederation line would partially open in time for Canada day in 2017?
Good Day.

Yup... I do. What I thought about it at that time =

I had (! silly me !) been more optimistically thinking of a partial sample opening in time for November 11, the one day only. Would have been most excellent. Silly Me !
Now we will not have that for even 11 November 2018.

A real 'revenue' opening should have been attainable for late summer 2018.
A non-fare-collecting overlap with the bus detours still in place so to transfer the load by Labour Day weekend would have been very nice.
So much for that.

Ah Well.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2018, 5:47 PM
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Shapefiles of the Confederation Line alignment have been published (same data as on geoOttawa, but y'know, shapefiles!) It includes all the tracks, crossings, and Belfast yard as well.

http://data.ottawa.ca/en/dataset/o-train-line-2

Mistakenly labeled as Line 2 and actually the Trillium Line isn't even in the shapefiles, oops, but the old dataset for that is still available too.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2018, 9:19 PM
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Somewhat off topic, but is there a non-flash version of geoottawa?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2018, 9:40 PM
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Somewhat off topic, but is there a non-flash version of geoottawa?
No ...although if you have a copy of ArcGIS it is possible to connect it to geoOttawa's REST API.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2018, 4:54 PM
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Confederation Line will open up retail opportunities, Ottawa transit boss says

By: David Sali, OBJ
Published: Oct 25, 2018 2:51pm EDT


Not even another delay in the launch of Ottawa’s $2.1-billion LRT system is enough to dampen the spirits of OC Transpo boss John Manconi when he talks about how the new line will benefit the local economy.

Manconi says the five-year project has already resulted in about $800 million worth of contracts for local suppliers of everything from scaffolding to heavy machinery used in the construction of the 12.5-kilometre Confederation Line as well as 20,000 person-years of employment.

But that’s just the beginning, he adds. Once the system launches ?– which is now expected to happen some time in the first quarter of 2019 ?– there will be decades of maintenance required to keep the trains, tracks and stations in good running order.

The consortium in charge of building the Confederation Line, the Rideau Transit Group, has a 30-year deal to look after the system that will be worth close to $3 billion. Much of that money will be funnelled back into the local economy, Manconi says.

“It’s not like it’s a short burst and then it’s over,” he adds. “It’s sustained over 30 years.”

Manconi notes that such direct spinoffs are only part of the long-term economic impact of light rail.

LRT will also open up new opportunities for businesses located on downtown streets such as Albert, Slater and Rideau that will no longer be clogged up with long lines of buses at rush hour, he explains.

“Hundreds of buses a day” will be pulled off those corridors, he says, allowing the streets to be revitalized with pedestrian- and cycling-friendly amenities such as wider sidewalks and dedicated bike lanes.

Manconi predicts those changes will in turn make the downtown a livelier, easier-to-navigate district for shoppers, while bars and restaurants will have room to set up outdoor patios that help draw more people to those streets.

“(Businesses will) be able to use those spaces in an innovative way and really make it a dynamic asset to the core of our city,” Manconi says.

In addition, local retailers will have a chance to set up operations at four stations on the Confederation Line ?– Tunney’s Pasture, Rideau, Hurdman and Blair. The city recently tendered a request for a property manager to oversee the hunt for appropriate businesses to fill one spot in each of the stations.

Manconi says the city is open to just about any type of retail operations in the stations, as long as they are “tasteful” and not in an enclosed space.

“We’re trying to keep (the criteria) as broad as possible and let the private sector figure out what will work in a station where people are literally walking through at a very quick pace,” he explains, noting that tens of thousands of transit users are expected to circulate through busy stations such as Rideau and Hurdman every hour during peak periods.

“It’s a tricky spot because there’s a lot of quick movements in there. It’s not like people are lingering. We think the private sector can better respond to what kind of market do we want to put in there rather than just having a traditional kind of space in there.”

While only one permanent business will be allowed at each of the four stations, Manconi says the city is open to providing space for pop-up stores and even buskers. Although only four stations will feature retail stores in the early going, that number could increase down the road, he adds.

“Some of the stations just don’t lend themselves to (retail),” he says. “But things change in this industry. We’ve got a very open mind.”

https://obj.ca/article/confederation-line-will-open-retail-opportunities-ottawa-transit-boss-says
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2018, 5:44 PM
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Great place for pot retailers.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2018, 5:59 PM
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Great place for pot retailers.
They can combine that with laser light displays in the tunneled sections - guaranteed ridership boost!
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2018, 12:08 PM
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Tunney's





https://twitter.com/chrisrands/status/1054882522373414912

Bayview


https://twitter.com/chrisrands/status/1055833517253373952

uOttawa


https://twitter.com/OttawaTomorrow/status/1055802487788179456


https://twitter.com/OttawaTomorrow/status/1055140035664715782

Lees



https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1055167210832961536

Blair


https://twitter.com/OttawaTomorrow/status/1055393117522853888


St-Laurent... Little outdated though


https://twitter.com/OC_Transpo/status/1055519500362227713

St-Laurent rail tunnel. We can also see the transition from the centenary wires and rigid rods.



https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1055506399113945091




https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1055515522979258368

St-Laurent MUP tunnel. Work on the old ventilation shaft was for the MUP tunnel exit I guess. Don't understand why they need doors at the east entrance.





https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1055507355016806401

Belfast Yards


https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1055421447542312960


https://twitter.com/OttawaTomorrow/status/1055271296827867137

Cobourg Yards


https://twitter.com/OC_Transpo?lang=en
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2018, 3:05 PM
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I dunno, the art choice for the ped tunnel at St Laurent seems to increase the creepiness of walking a long desolate tunnel
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2018, 3:34 PM
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Was that MUP always closed off, or was that done as part of the Transitway conversion?

Wish they had windows to the train tunnel.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2018, 4:11 PM
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Was that MUP always closed off, or was that done as part of the Transitway conversion?

Wish they had windows to the train tunnel.
As part of this conversion in fact, maybe a 100 pages back we talked about that. It used to be open with just a railing separating it from the roadway, also those stairs that seem to be permanently fenced off used to be an emergency exit from the tunnel
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2018, 7:04 PM
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Great place for pot retailers.
Manconi said "as long as they are “tasteful” and not in an enclosed space."

Not sure the last requirement would be permitted for a variety of reasons.

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Wish they had windows to the train tunnel.
Agreed. Even glass blocks would be better than a solid wall. As is it looks very claustrophobic.

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also those stairs that seem to be permanently fenced off used to be an emergency exit from the tunnel
Not sure I agree. I would have thought they would have built a wall if they wanted to maker it permanent. It would be easy enough to take down that fence.

Where do they go? Is it somewhere that they don't want people to go during construction?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2018, 7:55 PM
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Great pics J.Ott13. I get the whole saving money thing. But a part of me wishes they actually rebuilt the bridge at Blair and the bus terminal at St. Laurent. Guess that's an expensive ask for aesthetics.

Chris Rands' pics are depressing. Doesn't really look like they'll be done and demobilized by the end of November on those Western stations. I'm not sure they'll have actually finished construction on the downtown stations by end of November from the looks of it. Only the Eastern stations will be in a deliverable state on December 1st. The good news is that it at least it looks like they'll be done construction before Christmas. I think they just might be able to launch revenue service in Feb.
     
     
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