Expo Line - Surrey Langley Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 289

Trainguy · #**5761** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 2:13 AM**

Another Death This Week for the Killer train

Man Killed in C-Train Collisionat Erlton Station

Calgary Alberta - A man was killed after a collision with a C-Train in southeast Calgary on Monday.

According to EMS, an adult male was pronounced dead on the scene.

Police said a call came in at 13:20 for reports that a train collided with a pedestrian as it was approaching the platform.

Calgary Transit tweeted that Red Line trains were not going through Erlton Station and that shuttle buses would be taking passengers between City Hall and 39 Avenue stations.

A six-year-old girl was killed Monday morning when she was struck by a C-Train near the Somerset-Bridlewood LRT Station.

Heide Pearson.

Axe · #**5762** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 1:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by BirchTrain

This report from Translink confirms that Skytrain will be mostly side-running along Fraser (https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documen...ch-Preliminary-Cost-Report_July-2017.pdf, p. 39 and 41). Most stations would have side platforms and a single entry.

I know I’ve been harping about the Fleetwood BIA, but their rendering does kind of match up with the report, which calls for a mezzanine and 2 entries for 160th St station. However, the rest of Fraser Highway would likely be side-running.

Thanks for posting this link. Its a a good read.

scryer · #**5763** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 8:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by BirchTrain

This report from Translink confirms that Skytrain will be mostly side-running along Fraser (https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documen...ch-Preliminary-Cost-Report_July-2017.pdf, p. 39 and 41). Most stations would have side platforms and a single entry.

I know I’ve been harping about the Fleetwood BIA, but their rendering does kind of match up with the report, which calls for a mezzanine and 2 entries for 160th St station. However, the rest of Fraser Highway would likely be side-running.

Awesome read.

When this extension happens, I just hope that they all aren't named like 166th street station or whatever. Especially when it stops in Clayton or Willowbrook.

I think that the document also highlights how simple of a project this extension would really be. All elevated plus the stations aren't ridiculously complicated; seems like a no-brainer.

Sheba · #**5764** Posted **Oct 17, 2018, 9:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by scryer

Awesome read.

When this extension happens, I just hope that they all aren't named like 166th street station or whatever. Especially when it stops in Clayton or Willowbrook.

I think that the document also highlights how simple of a project this extension would really be. All elevated plus the stations aren't ridiculously complicated; seems like a no-brainer.

I'm pretty sure they're just labelling them as the cross street for simplicity right now. I wouldn't be surprised to see old documents labelling New West Station as 8th St station as that's the cross street there.

I've seen it as a simple Skytrain extension the whole time. As it would be elevated it wouldn't even need to be built all at once - they could easily build and open it in phases, which would expand Skytrain access in Surrey a lot faster.

aberdeen5698 · #**5765** Posted **Oct 18, 2018, 7:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sheba

As it would be elevated it wouldn't even need to be built all at once - they could easily build and open it in phases, which would expand Skytrain access in Surrey a lot faster.

It's cheaper to build it all at once because you don't have to keep letting out contracts and calling back specialized crews to build and install guideway, track and power, communications, control system integration, testing/acceptance, etc. Doing all that as several separate mini-projects is more expensive than just doing the whole thing as one big project.

officedweller · #**5766** Posted **Oct 18, 2018, 10:28 PM**

Also, physical infrstructure like crossover switaches are required (plus software programming) to use a station as a temporary terminus.
Ideally a terminus would have a centre platform, but the trend now for elevated stations is outside platforms so the guideway doesn't have to divert from a straight line (even if that means 2 sets of elevators, etc)

Trainguy · #**5767** Posted **Oct 20, 2018, 6:02 PM**

Today the voters in Surrey have an important and clear choice to make:

LRT vs Skytrain

If they vote in an LRT pro government then they have no right to complain about the gridlock traffic the LRT will cause among other issues.

I am hoping Doug and his team sweep city hall and prevent a huge mistake from happening.

We will find out tonight!!

YVR Bruce · #**5768** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 4:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Trainguy

We will find out tonight!!

And it looks ok for Skytrain supporters. Lots of work to do now.

SpongeG · #**5769** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 5:01 AM**

That lady guesting on CTV seems to say he can't undo it as the funding is in place already. So if he scraps it it would be back to finding funding again?

TransitJack · #**5770** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 5:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

That lady guesting on CTV seems to say he can't undo it as the funding is in place already. So if he scraps it it would be back to finding funding again?

That is the former mayor of Surrey, Dianne Watts

Metro-One · #**5771** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 5:52 AM**

Whether or not the L Line will be cancelled is still up in the air.

This is primarily good news for extending Skytrain along Fraser to Langley.

Migrant_Coconut · #**5772** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 5:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by TransitJack

That is the former mayor of Surrey, Dianne Watts

And Watts, as I recall, was the creator of Surrey First and the whole light rail clustershag. Not the best source of information right now.

The funding for both LRT lines was already in place before the election. What'll likely happen upon cancellation is that it goes back into the budget, and if no other city greenlights a transit project before then, it comes back to Surrey as SkyTrain and BRT.

Galaxy · #**5773** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 6:03 AM**

I am just wondering why Surrey can't do what Translink and Metro Van did when they changed the Evergreen Line extension from LRT to Skytrain. Just wondering what the difference between the projects that would prevent one being changed and one with many people saying it can't change. I see it as possible but we shall see.

Metro-One · #**5774** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 6:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

And Watts, as I recall, was the creator of Surrey First and the whole light rail clustershag. Not the best source of information right now.

The funding for both LRT lines was already in place before the election. What'll likely happen upon cancellation is that it goes back into the budget, and if no other city greenlights a transit project before then, it comes back to Surrey as SkyTrain and BRT.

No, funding for the Fraser Line was not in place.

This is another lie that the pro LRT group have also spread.

Only funding for initia design work was in place for the Fraser Line as part of Phase 2.

Phase 3 funding of the 10 year plan has not been made.

Firebrand · #**5775** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 6:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Whether or not the L Line will be cancelled is still up in the air.

This is primarily good news for extending Skytrain along Fraser to Langley.

If it does get cancelled, most likely he’ll pull off like what the NDP did with the Massey Bridge, only that the bridge went further along than the L Line.

Migrant_Coconut · #**5776** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 6:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

No, funding for the Fraser Line was not in place.

This is another lie that the pro LRT group have also spread.

Only funding for initia design work was in place for the Fraser Line as part of Phase 2.

Phase 3 funding of the 10 year plan has not been made.

Then that's a problem - we only have $1.7 billion, and we need to cough up $1.1 billion more.

Metro-One · #**5777** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 6:20 AM**

Well if cancelled we have to go back to the proposal / design stage anyways. So it will be an entirely new set of funding that would need to be made.

Realistically will probably take 2 years to get back to this point.

Which is a small sacrifice to avoid the poorly planned LRT.

logicbomb · #**5778** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 6:44 AM**

Mixed on the results. While it's likely that LRT is now a no-go, I have a feeling that Doug Mccallum will do nothing to add to public transportation investments in Surrey.

Trainguy · #**5779** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 7:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Whether or not the L Line will be cancelled is still up in the air.

This is primarily good news for extending Skytrain along Fraser to Langley.

The Province and the Feds can't just go ahead and build LRT in Surrey if the city rejects it. No contracts have been signed with any construction groups so no big deal. Interesting times ahead....

Firebrand · #**5780** Posted **Oct 21, 2018, 7:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by logicbomb

Mixed on the results. While it's likely that LRT is now a no-go, I have a feeling that Doug Mccallum will do nothing to add to public transportation investments in Surrey.

McCallum is one of those "lesser of two evils" situations. He's going for the populist route. But I'd rather have paper cuts on my hand than getting skin avulsions that'll require losing a hand.

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Originally Posted by Trainguy

The Province and the Feds can't just go ahead and build LRT in Surrey if the city rejects it. No contracts have been signed with any construction groups so no big deal. Interesting times ahead....

The funds may be non-transferable, but they're renegotiable. It's just more of an inconvenience for the Feds and the Province to put more money than initially funded. If they were non-negotiable, then we'll have a different story.