YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Meanwhile YVR - Mexico just saw another boost.

YVR - MEX on AM still showing 19 weekly for the two week Xmas period.

YVR - MEX on 4O has been bumped to six weekly for the peak Xmas period.

YVR - CUN on 4O has been bumped to six weekly for three weeks around Xmas.

Decent increases on the two routes.

WestJet to MEX was just a blip.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YVR - MEX on 4O has been bumped to six weekly for the peak Xmas period.

YVR - CUN on 4O has been bumped to six weekly for three weeks around Xmas.

More than that... look closely, some days have 2 flights

Plus a few flights are already sold out...

I'd say it's more like 7 or 8 weekly.

But seriously, what's going on at MEX? Pretty much everyday between mid-Dec to early-Jan is like this... Interjet price their round-trip at around $1000 and seems to be selling out fast.



Funny how Westjet couldn't get the route the work and pull out before they can milk anything out of this...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

More than that... look closely, some days have 2 flights

Plus a few flights are already sold out...

I'd say it's more like 7 or 8 weekly.

You're right I didn't look close enough.... some days Interjet will operate 4 flights out of YVR. Between AM and 4O on some days they will operate 7 flights.

[canlynx]

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...lines-1q19-vancouver-service-reductions/

Bit of a drop in capacity to Hong Kong this winter for a few weeks. Not a huge surprise to see, especially in the low season of the year, when you consider the huge expansion of this route over the past couple years. CX adding an extra 3 weekly, and Hong Kong Airlines starting up daily flights.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by canlynx

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...lines-1q19-vancouver-service-reductions/

Bit of a drop in capacity to Hong Kong this winter for a few weeks. Not a huge surprise to see, especially in the low season of the year, when you consider the huge expansion of this route over the past couple years. CX adding an extra 3 weekly, and Hong Kong Airlines starting up daily flights.

Prudent move for the traditionally slowest time of year. The upgauge to the A359 is a good improvement over the peak Xmas period.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

YVR-DUB is staying Rouge guys, I don't see it changing to a 333.

Planes need down time too, especially the 767 and will be needed for flex.

But how does the 767 get to YVR? They aren't going to run a one-off Rouge flight on to YVR domestically so it would need to cycle through somewhere. AC doesn't fly rouge to DUB from anywhere else so it would need to come to YVR from a rouge destination that flies to YVR. Only one I can think of is LAS.

Would the route go YYZ-LAS-YVR-DUB-YVR-LAS-YYZ?

That seems ridiculous.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Prudent move for the traditionally slowest time of year. The upgauge to the A359 is a good improvement over the peak Xmas period.

And not even that much of a cut. 7x 332 is not much more than 5x 359.

Also, looks like Icelandair is boosting YVR to 6x per week for at least part of the winter 19' sched:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...ouver-preliminary-listing-as-of-14oct18/

Given how low Nov is for passengers if they can make that work I'd imagine they'd run it at least through the busy December period.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

And not even that much of a cut. 7x 332 is not much more than 5x 359.

Also, looks like Icelandair is boosting YVR to 6x per week for at least part of the winter 19' sched:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...ouver-preliminary-listing-as-of-14oct18/

Given how low Nov is for passengers if they can make that work I'd imagine they'd run it at least through the busy December period.

Yeah interesting isn’t it.

Just read that WOW is dumping 5 US routes too. Including JFK, DFW.

Perhaps the Iceland bubble is bursting.

Probably difficult for such a small country to have two major long haul carriers.

Icelandair’s confidence in YVR is promising and encouraging.

The fact they’ve cut YEG (with minimal competition) and boosted YVR speaks volumes as to YVR’s market strength.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

But how does the 767 get to YVR? They aren't going to run a one-off Rouge flight on to YVR domestically so it would need to cycle through somewhere. AC doesn't fly rouge to DUB from anywhere else so it would need to come to YVR from a rouge destination that flies to YVR. Only one I can think of is LAS.

Would the route go YYZ-LAS-YVR-DUB-YVR-LAS-YYZ?

That seems ridiculous.

Like I said before... teleport

Looking deeper in the schedule, doesn't seems like there is a way for AC to rotate the 333s around between YUL and YYZ bases. Right now, the 333s are schedule for YYZ-YUL-GVA, YYZ-DUB, and YUL to a lot of other airports. How does AC move the planes around? Deadheading? Switch plane mid-route to GVA?

I'm thinking, maybe they are planning to rotate the planes at DUB, and in doing so, switch YUL and YVR both to 333? The schedule from YYZ doesn't match though as it's off by 2 hours.

But then what will they do with all those Rouge 767s they freed up...

Sorry for bringing up YUL again... but what AC will do to YVR-DUB is now is pretty much dependent on what they'll do in YUL...

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Yep. Lufthansa is flying the 346 to Munich.

Good to know, I'm going next summer and it would be great to go on this rare a/c.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Like I said before... teleport

Looking deeper in the schedule, doesn't seems like there is a way for AC to rotate the 333s around between YUL and YYZ bases. Right now, the 333s are schedule for YYZ-YUL-GVA, YYZ-DUB, and YUL to a lot of other airports. How does AC move the planes around? Deadheading? Switch plane mid-route to GVA?

I'm thinking, maybe they are planning to rotate the planes at DUB, and in doing so, switch YUL and YVR both to 333? The schedule from YYZ doesn't match though as it's off by 2 hours.

But then what will they do with all those Rouge 767s they freed up...

Sorry for bringing up YUL again... but what AC will do to YVR-DUB is now is pretty much dependent on what they'll do in YUL...

The schedule as it stands now is the a/c would rotate through DUB yes. That’s the only logical conclusion based on the way the schedules are posted now. Of course subject to change.
Best result for YVR would be mainline 333. No more rouge!

Bringing up YUL in this case is relevant as the routes are intertwined to make this work. It’s not like you’re trying to brag or anything

[CareerShow]

Would be great to see rouge gone from long haul flying or of YVR! The seat pitch and width is not compatible with long-haul flying. Interesting how quickly YVR turned from a leisure base for air Canada to a more premium one.

On another note, recently flew from YVR to yyz on an air canada 77HD...the seats are exceptionally crammed in economy, and very uncomfortable for the 4 hour flight. I can only imagine how this aircraft would be for the long flight to Hong Kong.....add in the fact boarding is a disaster due to the 450 seat capacity, the limited bin capacity, and you have on of the most unpleasent flying exoierences out there. This is not including the fact there are only 6 lavatories for bassically 400 economy passengers.

To demonstrate the density, BA’s a380 contains 469 seats compared to the 450 on the ac HD 777, inspite of the 2-4-2 business class on BA, which takes up little room.....and JALs seat capacity on the 777 300 er is something like 250!

[teriyaki]

Some insight into the incoming A330s at Air Canada. Interesting that they're ex SQ birds and still retain their interior.

https://onemileatatime.com/air-canada-acquiring-singapore-airlines-a330s/

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

But seriously, what's going on at MEX? Pretty much everyday between mid-Dec to early-Jan is like this... Interjet price their round-trip at around $1000 and seems to be selling out fast.



Funny how Westjet couldn't get the route the work and pull out before they can milk anything out of this...

What do canadians do in December and January? Go down south.

You''re assuming the route is 100% O&D. It isnt. People use MEX to connect to CUN, SJD etc, especially in December and January.

[canlynx]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Some insight into the incoming A330s at Air Canada. Interesting that they're ex SQ birds and still retain their interior.

https://onemileatatime.com/air-canada-acquiring-singapore-airlines-a330s/

Maybe this is the missing piece for what’s happening with YVR-DUB. It would be flown on these A333’s, and the business section sold like premium economy, similar to how Rouge is.

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Some insight into the incoming A330s at Air Canada. Interesting that they're ex SQ birds and still retain their interior.

https://onemileatatime.com/air-canada-acquiring-singapore-airlines-a330s/

Interesting that TAP had them for such a short period, hence no change to TAP interiors. These SQ A330's feature their regional business class product, not their longhaul product which is 1-2-1 not 2-2-2. If AC is selling these seats as Y+ should be a comfy ride!

[Johnny Aussie]

This YVR-DUB puzzle is fun!

If the ex SQ 333s are the missing piece...

I’ve been on every type of SQ equipment except their new 787-10 and their regional J sold as Prem Y would be a very nice Prem Y product!

Back YVR-MEX again.... it’s not just YVR originating pax. The growing Latin community is filling these planes too.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

This YVR-DUB puzzle is fun!

If the ex SQ 333s are the missing piece...

I’ve been on every type of SQ equipment except their new 787-10 and their regional J sold as Prem Y would be a very nice Prem Y product!

Back YVR-MEX again.... it’s not just YVR originating pax. The growing Latin community is filling these planes too.

The ex SQ birds are coming from TAP Air Portugal (who got them from SQ). There was a post elsewhere that said two are coming before the start of the summer but will operate with the TAP configuration until they can be reworded to the AC configuration. On those birds TAP has angled business class seats, apparently AC is selling them as premium economy until they get reconfigured.

That may be a suitable aircraft from the DUB flight. Especially if AC has no interest in selling the seats as a true Business Class.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Some insight into the incoming A330s at Air Canada. Interesting that they're ex SQ birds and still retain their interior.

https://onemileatatime.com/air-canada-acquiring-singapore-airlines-a330s/

I missed the backstory to this, why is AC mainline deciding the A330 is the only Airbus they will keep in the fleet?

[casper]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I missed the backstory to this, why is AC mainline deciding the A330 is the only Airbus they will keep in the fleet?

The A330 are an optimal aircraft for Canada to Europe. They don't have the range to do Asia or the Pacific. My understanding is the operating cost is comparable to the Dreamliner, they already own a few and can get some used one at a good price. The A330 are based in Montreal, while the Dreamliner is based on Toronto and Vancouver.

They are not going to be the only Airbus in the AC fleet. AC purchased the C-series (which are now called the A220).

AC also purchased some new A321 in the last three years. So I would expect those to stay for some time.