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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 4:38 AM
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if you know the initial construction costs "were paid off 50 years ago" and not a penny more invested in the 50 years since in appliances and flooring and roofs and furnaces and kitchens and plumbing fixtures, you are certainly party to more information than i am.

but putting that aside, it might be $1 million dollars a year today but it certainly wasn't doing that when rents for those units were $250 instead of $800 and it certainly wasn't $1 million dollars a year when occupancy rates in edmonton were a lot less than 100%.

but lets say that it is returning $1 million dollars a year today - or even for the last 10 years - and lets say those 450 units only have a book cost of $25,000 each, that still means there is $11.25 million invested that is earning less than 9% a year.

yes, that's a reasonable return - at least in today's market - but it's still a return on the capital, not a return of that capital which remains invested even if just in the underlying raw land value today (which at $500,000 an acre is still approx. $12 million of invested capital).
Simpler terms for me, a fully paid for asset that has appreciated 10x or more in value that returns a million dollars a year (net!) with little to no risk and all those 50 years of returns after payoff (maybe its only 40...)could be reinvested again into a massive up zoning of condos for a huge final payout of they want the risk, or sell the land for at least 12 million dollars by doing nothing. I'll take it, that's a good enough money factory for me.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 4:41 AM
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Yea that first version of former BMO is bad.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 1:17 PM
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CBC has a somewhat better version of it

     
     
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 2:05 PM
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A little better.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 3:38 PM
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An empty pit is better than that .... looks like no office space. Squandered opportunity.
The pool of tenants large enough (and with the pockets deep enough to pay economic rents) to kick of any new office building in Edmonton is almost as shallow as I am!
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 3:39 PM
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Oh dear. But what else should be expected from the hired architectural group? You get what you pay (little) for.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 3:53 PM
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Thats horrible....
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 7:30 PM
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2018, 10:46 PM
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Crap is the new arena parkade big. I actually got lost in it. And I don't get lost.
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^yup, massive.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 5:27 AM
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Can't say I like those much.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 1:15 PM
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Can't say I like those much.
someone [everyone?] should make it against company policy for [interim?] architects to be able to read back issues of architectural record so we would see less of this derivative stuff done poorly.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 1:29 PM
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That is a lot of change for that area.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 2:08 PM
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Can't say I like those much.

Agree.....It's a beehive of crazy designs. Let's hope for some tweaking.

I like the amount of towers and their heights tho.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 3:25 PM
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First phase of the Edmonton motors site will have two towers (43 and 35 storeys)

https://edmonton.skyrisecities.com/forum...m-43s-pangman-kirkor.28462/#post-1386935
My turn to go broken-record again: what is being proposed along the Jasper Av corridor here and in nearby properties is exactly why LRT should have been extended westward underground along Jasper instead of at surface along 104th.

Am I honestly missing something fundamental?
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 3:26 PM
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someone [everyone?] should make it against company policy for [interim?] architects to be able to read back issues of architectural record so we would see less of this derivative stuff done poorly.
Hard copy back issues, before the internet existed?
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Hard copy back issues, before the internet existed?
John Day is on this. It'll turn out fine.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 3:51 PM
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Lol man has it ever become difficult to please Edmontonians.

The Edmoton Motors site from the far view doesn't look too good but in the closer images I am a lot more pleased. I think both buildings could work very well.

BMO site, a little too much going on that does not blend.
     
     
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