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Old Posted Jun 1, 2018, 1:59 PM
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If they have gas heat, why would electricity costs be "naturally" highest in the winter? Unless some of the other buildings have electric heat I guess. Given that they only covered the fall and winter months, I wonder what the bills are like in the summer when the A/C kicks in?
It may not have gas heat, or not fully gas heat.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2018, 2:29 PM
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It may not have gas heat, or not fully gas heat.
They did pay $11,732 to Enbridge Gas, so presumably at least some of the house is heated by gas (that is a lot if only other appliances are using gas).
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I’d guess that the kitchen has a gas range or two - and that the pool is heated by gas.
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If they have gas heat, why would electricity costs be "naturally" highest in the winter? Unless some of the other buildings have electric heat I guess. Given that they only covered the fall and winter months, I wonder what the bills are like in the summer when the A/C kicks in?
A lot of lights that come on at sunset for one.
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A lot of lights that come on at sunset for one.
Lights use very little power.
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Lights use very little power.
But we are talking about public sector lights ...
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But we are talking about public sector lights ...
If its anything like PWGSC operated buildings in the core, every single light will be left on for 24 hours a day.
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The invasion of the bees — and other lingering costs of running 24 Sussex

Tom Spears, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: October 12, 2018


Bees invaded 24 Sussex Drive this year. So did a bat and some wasps, and the property has a big ash tree just inviting emerald ash borer to lunch.

What’s a property manager to do?

Call the pest-control company, of course. Pest control — both for “urgent” calls and regular monthly prevention — is close to a $10,000 expense this year at the official residence that currently has no prime minister living in it.

An even bigger expense is maintaining the indoor pool.

These and other costs kept the National Capital Commission busy, generating pages of bills newly released under an access-to-information request. The bills offer a glimpse of the day-to-day operating costs. (They’re separate from the massive renovation work the building needs.)

Reading them is a little like snooping through your neighbour’s MasterCard statement, except that this is, after all, your money. Let’s take a look.


• Pest control

Pest control is usually a low-level expense. Both the main house and the RCMP station are treated monthly.

But this year came the honey bees, which established a colony on the grounds. It cost $8,050 to get rid of them back in May.

Other pest incursions were a lot cheaper to deal with. A contractor shooed away the bat in the basement for a mere $75; and the NCC spent $125 to get rid of a wasp’s nest. The wasps were up under a soffit, which is pretty usual for wasps, and most of the time you can just leave them alone until the winter kills them. Anyway, that nest is gone.

Emerald ash borer is a serious threat to the trees that once lined many Ottawa streets. The NCC is protecting one ash at 24 Sussex by paying to inject Tree-Azin, which kills ash borers when they try to reproduce under the bark. Cost: $756. The treatment has to be repeated every year or two.


• The pool

The pool installed by Pierre Trudeau back in 1975 is also costing a lot lately, and this is on top of the cost of bringing in an engineer to analyze harmful mould. The mould is typical of indoor heated pool buildings and it turned out not to be too serious, but the cost of removing mouldy material was established in 2016 at more than $20,000;

There was also a new diving board installed two years ago, for $5,695.

This year, the maintenance costs continued. One big item was $6,000 for sanding the wooden pool deck.

Then came a lot of regular expenses. Weekly cleaning (described elsewhere as “maintenance”) cost Canada $8,830 in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2018.

The pool also needed a new salt cell ($700), new filters ($809), pump repair ($125) and a separate amount of cleaning for $689 that includes annual cleaning of cartridges.

A new leaf skimmer mas a mere $29.95.

Add up the deck sanding, weekly maintenance and other purchases and the total to keep the pool running for one fiscal year comes to a little more than $17,000.

NCC spokesman Jean Wolfe noted, “The prime minister’s family makes regular use of the swimming pool, which is located in a separate building at 24 Sussex. As such, there is a contract for regular maintenance of the swimming pool, as has been the case for years.”

He said maintenance costs for the overall property “are in line with previous years.”

“While the prime minister and his family do not currently live at 24 Sussex, the buildings continue to be essential to the operations of the household staff and RCMP security detail and are used 365 days a year.”


• Hydro

$78,363 for the year. This is the combined bill for five buildings on the property.


• Gas

$12,552 for the year.


• Water

$2,197.


• Roof repairs

$1,313. That’s low as roofing jobs go, indicating that the major roof replacement of 1998 is holding up well.


• Art: (Yes, art.)

“Packing and transportation services for artwork,” a reference to moving an unidentified part of the “Crown collection” of art, cost $3,780. The NCC says this collection includes “the outstanding pieces of fine and decorative art used to furnish and adorn the interiors of Canada’s official residences. It consists of about 4,000 artifacts.”


• And finally, the NCC spent $240 on pest control for the east and west guard huts. Whatever security threats the guards may face, at least they won’t have mice.

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Why the hell are they investing so much in the damn pool? It is in no way essential no anyone. Shut it down, empty it and lock it up until we figure something out for the main residence.
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Why the hell are they investing so much in the damn pool? It is in no way essential no anyone. Shut it down, empty it and lock it up until we figure something out for the main residence.
The pool is still used by the PM and family. It's all nickel and dime stuff, but the one that surprised me was $8G to remove bees. Those must have been some big bees!
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I read the article. I don't think the PM and his family should be going back and forth between Rideau Cottage and 24 Sussex for a damn pool.
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I read the article. I don't think the PM and his family should be going back and forth between Rideau Cottage and 24 Sussex for a damn pool.
They obviously disagree ...
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That is really quite disheartening to see these costs for this pool coming from our own pockets. I'm glad it's at least being used, but really, this isn't what we should be putting our money into. (Albeit, it is an insignificant cost in comparison to Canada's fiscal budget)
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When he decided to not move into 24 Sussex I thought it was a positive step, after years of dithering they were finally going to make a decision about the house. Instead we have years of no decisions and wasting money on the upgrade and upkeep of two houses, one of which will have to be torn down or gutted.
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Nickle and diming is right! I can't believe the attitude of many Canadians regarding the residence of our Prime Minister! If we expect the best and brightest to want to be politicians in our country then we should treat them well when they are in office. Everyone talks as if the PM and his family should live just like anyone else. If they do so by choice then so be it but we should not expect the most powerful person in Canada to be treated like a government contractor rather than the head of state that he is. I think Canadians, as a former British colony, are sensitive to elitism and the class system but this debate makes it quite clear there won't be a new monarchy formed in Canada anytime soon . How much of this is conservative politicking vs. actual concern is yet to be determined....
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Nickle and diming is right! I can't believe the attitude of many Canadians regarding the residence of our Prime Minister! If we expect the best and brightest to want to be politicians in our country then we should treat them well when they are in office. Everyone talks as if the PM and his family should live just like anyone else. If they do so by choice then so be it but we should not expect the most powerful person in Canada to be treated like a government contractor rather than the head of state that he is. I think Canadians, as a former British colony, are sensitive to elitism and the class system but this debate makes it quite clear there won't be a new monarchy formed in Canada anytime soon . How much of this is conservative politicking vs. actual concern is yet to be determined....
Partisanship aside, scratch most Canadians and you reveal the Presbyterian underneath. It's who we are.
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The pool is still used by the PM and family. It's all nickel and dime stuff, but the one that surprised me was $8G to remove bees. Those must have been some big bees!
🞵🞵🞵🞵 journalism once again. Bees and wasps are two very different things. Bees are NOT a nuisance, they are essential to our ecosystem and are not considered pests and do not create nests in and around our homes. Wasps, are a nuisance, considered pests and are a pain to remove once they create nests around a house. The two should not be used interchangeably like in the article. It was wasps and their nests that were removed, not bees.
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Nickle and diming is right! I can't believe the attitude of many Canadians regarding the residence of our Prime Minister! If we expect the best and brightest to want to be politicians in our country then we should treat them well when they are in office. Everyone talks as if the PM and his family should live just like anyone else. If they do so by choice then so be it but we should not expect the most powerful person in Canada to be treated like a government contractor rather than the head of state that he is. I think Canadians, as a former British colony, are sensitive to elitism and the class system but this debate makes it quite clear there won't be a new monarchy formed in Canada anytime soon . How much of this is conservative politicking vs. actual concern is yet to be determined....
I have no issue with an official residence for the PM. Please return 24 Sussex to its former glory, regardless of costs and restore the pool too if need be. I'm just not happy with the way the Feds, RCMP, NCC, etc. are dragging their feet on this. Every year, potential restoration or redevelopment gets more expensive.

My comment about the pool was more about my opinion that 24 Sussex should be off limits to the PM, and any one else who might be using it for leisure or official government business. If you're not a care-taker/contractor/architect/engineer, then you have to business there.
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Nickle and diming is right! I can't believe the attitude of many Canadians regarding the residence of our Prime Minister! If we expect the best and brightest to want to be politicians in our country then we should treat them well when they are in office. Everyone talks as if the PM and his family should live just like anyone else. If they do so by choice then so be it but we should not expect the most powerful person in Canada to be treated like a government contractor rather than the head of state that he is. I think Canadians, as a former British colony, are sensitive to elitism and the class system but this debate makes it quite clear there won't be a new monarchy formed in Canada anytime soon . How much of this is conservative politicking vs. actual concern is yet to be determined....
PM is not the head of state. This residence has not served any official purposes in years.

I want somebody who wants to PM as a public service, not to accumulate luxuries.
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PM is not the head of state. This residence has not served any official purposes in years.
I was thinking the same thing. The Governor General is our head of state.

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I want somebody who wants to PM as a public service, not to accumulate luxuries.
No, but it is important for our Prime Minister and his/her family to have a safe and secure place to live. Having a pool is reasonable to me as having them go to a public pool would be a security nightmare. Not sure if Rideau Hall has an appropriate pool they could use, but if not, having them travel to 24 Sussex when they want to swim seems reasonable to me.
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