Edmonton Construction 13 (November 2015)

[Coldrsx]

Developer aims to build two more downtown condo towers on popular 104th Street
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The company responsible for four condo highrises on downtown's 104th Street is set to build two more.

Langham Developments plans to build a 37-storey tower on the corner of 104th Street and 100th Avenue, with an adjacent 43-storey tower to follow.

Falcon One will offer 296 units, while Falcon Two will contain 356.

City council approved rezoning the empty lot on Wednesday to make room for the towers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-city-council-towers-langham-1.4858978

[Urban recluse]

Wasted opportunity.

[s211]

Originally Posted by kcantor

i think you’re comparing apples to oranges... these two towers will have approximately 652 units between them. the rise has 92. the concord has 86.

Sorrry, I don't mean to drag this out but I'm talking about the several Concord Pacific multi-tower projects in the Marinaside neighbourhood.

And the Rise, you do realize that in addition to the residential there is a Home Depot, Save-On and Winners, yes?

And on top of that, the project kiddy-corner (sorry, the name escapes me, but developed by Triovest) has condo, London Drugs, office building and non-stop underground parking traffic generated by the Whole Foods store: ONE SINGLE PARKING ACCESS POINT AND ONE SINGLE LOADING AREA.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by s211

Sorrry, I don't mean to drag this out but I'm talking about the several Concord Pacific multi-tower projects in the Marinaside neighbourhood.

And the Rise, you do realize that in addition to the residential there is a Home Depot, Save-On and Winners, yes?

And on top of that, the project kiddy-corner (sorry, the name escapes me, but developed by Triovest) has condo, London Drugs, office building and non-stop underground parking traffic generated by the Whole Foods store: ONE SINGLE PARKING ACCESS POINT AND ONE SINGLE LOADING AREA.

i don't mean to drag this on either but if several is three and they're the same size, then marinaside would have 258 units in total, 60% less than the 652 being proposed here. marinaside also takes it's parking access from a street, not a 20' lane, which has a big impact on the efficiency and throughput of ramp traffic both in and out.

in terms of the rise, you might want to drive along yukon street and 7th avenue because i count seven parking and loading access points also coming off city streets, not a lane.

crossroads (it was a pci project by the way) only has 88 residential units and it's parking and loading curb cuts are separated and also come off a street, not a lane.

you also need to recognize that on the mixed use projects, peak traffic demands will not take place at the same time and can be more easily be satisfied with fewer access points.

[Coldrsx]

Job No 294844309-001
Description: To construct a 50-storey mixed-use building (Hotel, Professional, Financial, and Office Support Service, General Retail Store, Restaurant, Bar and Neighbourhood Pub and Apartment Housing)
Location: 10199 - 101 STREET NW
Plan F Lots 43-46
Applicant: DER + ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTURE LTD
Status: Intake - Payment Required
Create Date: 10/10/2018 4:37:04 PM

[s211]

Originally Posted by kcantor

i don't mean to drag this on either but if several is three and they're the same size, then marinaside would have 258 units in total, 60% less than the 652 being proposed here. marinaside also takes it's parking access from a street, not a 20' lane, which has a big impact on the efficiency and throughput of ramp traffic both in and out.

in terms of the rise, you might want to drive along yukon street and 7th avenue because i count seven parking and loading access points also coming off city streets, not a lane.

crossroads (it was a pci project by the way) only has 88 residential units and it's parking and loading curb cuts are separated and also come off a street, not a lane.

you also need to recognize that on the mixed use projects, peak traffic demands will not take place at the same time and can be more easily be satisfied with fewer access points.

Please just stop quoting number of dwellings in other projects because it ignores the much busier commercial components of multi-use projects. Have you ever watched the Crossroads parking access point? Stood there and watched? Nonstop, and only one point required, with the vast majority of traffic being short term, associated with the Whole Foods store. I live right in the immediate area, so you don't need to tell me where to look.

I also know all of the Concord Pacific developments on North False Creek very well (Marinaside is a neighbourhood btw, which includes several multi-phase developments, one of which includes the Marinaside-named project), having lived there also, including a four tower complex that had one single residential parking access point, right across from another three tower complex that had a single access point also. I'm also now remembering and concede that the Rise has two parking access points, but the site is a whole entire city block.

I'm finding it strange that people don't seem to mind duplicated costs, and won't mind the separate spiralling underground parkades that will be less efficient than what could be obtained from a single shared footprint. For such a small overall site, phasing notwithstanding, I'm going to dig my feet in, so to speak, and call it how I see it.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Job No 294844309-001
Description: To construct a 50-storey mixed-use building (Hotel, Professional, Financial, and Office Support Service, General Retail Store, Restaurant, Bar and Neighbourhood Pub and Apartment Housing)
Location: 10199 - 101 STREET NW
Plan F Lots 43-46
Applicant: DER + ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTURE LTD
Status: Intake - Payment Required
Create Date: 10/10/2018 4:37:04 PM

Another mixed-use proposal with hotel?

[oiler-dude]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Job No 294844309-001
Description: To construct a 50-storey mixed-use building (Hotel, Professional, Financial, and Office Support Service, General Retail Store, Restaurant, Bar and Neighbourhood Pub and Apartment Housing)
Location: 10199 - 101 STREET NW
Plan F Lots 43-46
Applicant: DER + ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTURE LTD
Status: Intake - Payment Required
Create Date: 10/10/2018 4:37:04 PM

Does this mean they've moved up their timeline on this one, or is it still a few years away at earliest as indicated prior?

[Coldrsx]

They want to get the parkade/structure going and then it will be market determined.

[Urban recluse]

Can't wait for another box.

[hqcan]

Updates on both Falcon and Aldritt. Got a response to my query from Falcon wrt the use of stucco on the Falcon towers (between punched window application). They say that they "have yet to receive the Base building specifications." Not sure what that means...

As for Aldritt, I heard back from the real estate firm representing them that we should hear more on the project shortly. They are currently still in pre-development stages of the project.

[Urban recluse]

I hope the Alldritt Tower is built as tall as proposed.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

They want to get the parkade/structure going and then it will be market determined.

I would hazard that building a parkade before deciding what the above-ground building might comprise will, to some extent and fashion, limit the potential scope of the building. Aside from setting the number of parking stalls which may limit density, you are also taking a guess at how extensive the structural elements are required, and in which location. It also contains certain critical systems and if multiple uses are desired, then that ups the ante and complexity of the systems below-grade.

I'd have to think they are already along a certain path which they would then build within.

[Coldrsx]

^keeping options open.

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[Coldrsx]

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[kcantor]

Originally Posted by s211

Please just stop quoting number of dwellings in other projects because it ignores the much busier commercial components of multi-use projects.
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I'm finding it strange that people don't seem to mind duplicated costs, and won't mind the separate spiralling underground parkades that will be less efficient than what could be obtained from a single shared footprint. For such a small overall site, phasing notwithstanding, I'm going to dig my feet in, so to speak, and call it how I see it.

that’s okay, i find it equally strange that you would consider designing a parkade and access ramps without paying attention to the number of users it needs to accommodate and the peak demands those users will impose/require.

stop quoting numbers? really??? it’s all about the numbers and it’s about the numbers at peak times.

the additional costs represent good value in other areas as i have already noted.

so “call it as you will” and i will do the same...

have a good weekend.

[Coldrsx]

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[Coldrsx]

Ok, a few more.








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[itom 987]

Here is another update; the Bonnie Doon Mall transit oriented development, along with a couple of other projects proposed for this area of Edmonton.


Source: https://edmonton.skyrisecities.com/forum/threads/edmonton-future-skylines.24660/

[Coldrsx]

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