Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 470

aberdeen5698 · #**9381** Posted **Sep 26, 2018, 11:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

However it doesn't change the fact that Translink's revenue stream takes a hit from UPass holders. What might normally be operationally profitable (a busy skytrain line) could have poor financial performance if it's full of UPass students.

Don't forget that EVERY student who goes to UBC pays the UPass fee, even those who drive there and those who live there. It's not as simple as just saying they loose the difference between a monthly farecard vs. the UPass fee for the people who use UPass. It's closer to revenue-neutral than the mere fare difference would imply.

Sheba · #**9382** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 1:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Don't forget that EVERY student who goes to UBC pays the UPass fee, even those who drive there and those who live there. It's not as simple as just saying they loose the difference between a monthly farecard vs. the UPass fee for the people who use UPass. It's closer to revenue-neutral than the mere fare difference would imply.

Some of those students also sell their UPass - it's a well known problem

misher · #**9383** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 1:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sheba

Some of those students also sell their UPass - it's a well known problem

it only lasts a month now and you got to go to school each time to get it so its worth so little for the work involved that its not worth it to most.

Sheba · #**9384** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 1:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by misher

it only lasts a month now and you got to go to school each time to get it so its worth so little for the work involved that its not worth it to most.

U-Pass / Compass Card

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For each month that you are eligible for a U-Pass you will need to make a request online to link your U-Pass and Compass Card.

That's not a lot of work.

misher · #**9385** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 1:48 AM**

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U-Pass / Compass Card

That's not a lot of work.

Oh, new system now. Before you swiped your student card at the booths on campus every month for a new one.

Migrant_Coconut · #**9386** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 2:01 AM**

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Oh, new system now. Before you swiped your student card at the booths on campus every month for a new one.

Old system, actually. The vendors got replaced as soon as the Compass Card rolled out.

WarrenC12 · #**9387** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 4:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Don't forget that EVERY student who goes to UBC pays the UPass fee, even those who drive there and those who live there. It's not as simple as just saying they loose the difference between a monthly farecard vs. the UPass fee for the people who use UPass. It's closer to revenue-neutral than the mere fare difference would imply.

Yes, but the easier you make transit to UBC (IE: Skytrain), the more students use it, the less "profitable" the UPass becomes.

I'm also skeptical of your claims unless there's math to back it up, which there should be with everything on a Compass Card now.

roger1818 · #**9388** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sheba

Some of those students also sell their UPass - it's a well known problem

Why don't they do like other cities and put the UPass on their student card? I believe we do that here in Ottawa and I have never heard of this problem.

Migrant_Coconut · #**9389** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 5:47 PM**

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Why don't they do like other cities and put the UPass on their student card? I believe we do that here in Ottawa and I have never heard of this problem.

From what I can tell, Ottawa's UPass is a complete separate card from the student ID.

cabotp · #**9390** Posted **Sep 28, 2018, 3:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Yes, but the easier you make transit to UBC (IE: Skytrain), the more students use it, the less "profitable" the UPass becomes.

I'm also skeptical of your claims unless there's math to back it up, which there should be with everything on a Compass Card now.

The more students that use transit. The less students are then driving their cars. So that is a positive as well.

I've always thought of the U-pass as a loss leader. You are giving away something for cheap. In order to gain in other areas. The gain is hopefully more people using transit after post secondary or less students driving to school and thus less space being needed to park their car and less road space need to drive their car.

aberdeen5698 · #**9391** Posted **Sep 28, 2018, 6:46 AM**

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I've always thought of the U-pass as a loss leader. You are giving away something for cheap. In order to gain in other areas. The gain is hopefully more people using transit after post secondary or less students driving to school and thus less space being needed to park their car and less road space need to drive their car.

Yes, I think of it in the same light as well. I don't know exactly how the numbers work out, but it's always struck me as being a sensible policy to encourage transit use.

BCPhil · #**9392** Posted **Sep 29, 2018, 2:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Yes, I think of it in the same light as well. I don't know exactly how the numbers work out, but it's always struck me as being a sensible policy to encourage transit use.

It's also a cost effective subsidy to ease the financial impact of going to school for a lot of students.

Society wins with fewer cars on the road and kids becoming accustomed to transit. Which might be a hard sell for a lot of students who move to the city. I know it took me a long time until I was comfortable not having a car every day of my life when I moved here from a small town for school.

Schools win because they can use land used for cheap parking lots for construction of classrooms or dorms.

And students win because they can save $50+ a month. I know there are a lot of well off students, but they are the ones who will probably keep on driving, helping offset the cost for those who keeping $50 more per month means they can eat every day.

zivan56 · #**9393** Posted **Sep 29, 2018, 3:22 AM**

They were taking core samples at Heather and 8th today around noon. I imagine related to pre-construction activity.

jsbertram · #**9394** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 2:50 AM**

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They were taking core samples at Heather and 8th today around noon. I imagine related to pre-construction activity.

perhaps a bidder is doing their own core samples before submitting a bid?

M00dy · #**9395** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 12:36 PM**

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perhaps a bidder is doing their own core samples before submitting a bid?

I don't think so. There isn't an RFQ out yet I thought, let alone an RFP. I doubt any company is spending money on geotechnical drilling prior to those.

Probably it's to support the bid tender documents.

jsbertram · #**9396** Posted **Oct 4, 2018, 1:17 AM**

makes me wonder what they finding (or not finding) in that area of broadway to be doing so much core sampling in the last few years

Alex Mackinnon · #**9397** Posted **Oct 4, 2018, 2:10 AM**

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makes me wonder what they finding (or not finding) in that area of broadway to be doing so much core sampling in the last few years

Probably all the junk fill that they installed as fill in the early 1900s.

There used to be many ravines that crossed Broadway. They were filled in with garbage, and random material. Not ideal tunneling conditions.

Migrant_Coconut · #**9398** Posted **Oct 4, 2018, 6:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

Probably all the junk fill that they installed as fill in the early 1900s.

There used to be many ravines that crossed Broadway. They were filled in with garbage, and random material. Not ideal tunneling conditions.

And let's hope it really was "random" junk, not "historically/culturally significant" junk. Last thing we need is a two-year wait while the archaeologists swoop in and comb the place.

Metro-One · #**9399** Posted **Oct 12, 2018, 2:23 AM**

Crazy is coming back. A major pro LRT video... along 16th instead of Skytrain along Broadway...

Watch this video... the misinformation boggles the mind!

https://www.facebook.com/StoryheroMedia/videos/701064733602144/

trofirhen · #**9400** Posted **Oct 12, 2018, 2:35 AM**

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Crazy is coming back. A major pro LRT video... along 16th instead of Skytrain along Broadway...

Watch this video... the misinformation boggles the mind!

https://www.facebook.com/StoryheroMedia/videos/701064733602144/

That makes me want to gag. And that line about "better for the urban envoronment," yeah right. Digging up the 16th avenue boulevard, one of the few in the city.......
And a surface LRT line that clatters along leisurely, having to stop at cross-streets, making the trip pokier, slower, not to mention scarring up a major boulevard median....
Surrey-style LRT comes to one of the busiest corridors in the entire Metro area .... gimme a break.

I hope enough other people feel the way I do about this cooked-up —.