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[moorhosj]

Originally Posted by IrishIllini

I don't think many people will commute from downtown Milwaukee to downtown Chicago daily, but there will be a lot of overlap along the fringe of the two metros.

Just an anecdote, but two people in my office live in Milwaukee (one in city, one in suburbs) and commute to Chicago by train 2-4 times a week.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

Better not build the massive 750 acre high tech factory because someday it might close!


God if the people who built Chicago thought that way we'd all still be sitting in wigwams eating wild onions...

Who’s saying not to build the factory?

But let’s not compare the shitty suburban style auto-oriented crap which will define 99% of the new development in Racine that Foxconn will spawn with the “building of Chicago”. That’s nonsense. Chicago will never get built again. We are lucky it got built when it did.

[Pioneer]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Absolutely, and that's how I describe West Loop to people here. It's like meatpacking was before is just as it was becoming douchey. Nyc investors definitely see this..I think I read an interview with an investor who said it. In 5 to 10 years it'll be full on River North. It'll be interesting after that to see what the next big area will be.

Also, maybe 3rd douchiest. River North is worse But in 5 years time....they'll be the same.

What is this area called now and what are the borders? Is it West Loop? Fulton Market? D*uche District? It emcompasses Randolph St. retsaurant row as well.

What are the borders? 94 on the east, Ogden on east, Carrol on the North and Randolph to the south?

[LouisVanDerWright]

Originally Posted by moorhosj

I had a friend from NYC refer to the West Loop as a "less douchey Meatpacking District". To Chicagoans, West Loop is considered probably the second douchey-est place behind Wrigleyville.

The similarities to Chelsea might be driving some of that investment.

I don't see the West Loop as the "second most douchey area in the city". Douchebags are typically frat Bros or big ten Chad's and Trixie's. The West Loop is not marketed to them, it's sold to yipsters and tech Bros which are typically nerdy or semi nerdy. Places far douchier than the West Loop include:

River North (literally every square inch of it)
Division Street in Gold Coast
Rush Street/Viagra Triangle
Division Street in Ukrainian Village (i.e. 50/50)
All of Lincoln Park
All of Lakeview
South Loop (have you even been to Scout?)
Especially Wrigleyville
Most suburban "fake culture" Towne Centres

West Loop doesn't even crack the top ten...

[LouisVanDerWright]

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

Who’s saying not to build the factory?

But let’s not compare the shitty suburban style auto-oriented crap which will define 99% of the new development in Racine that Foxconn will spawn with the “building of Chicago”. That’s nonsense. Chicago will never get built again. We are lucky it got built when it did.

I'm planning on/working on building another Chicsgo, but to each their own...

Let them build throw away suburban crap out there, aren't you the one always defending the suburbs from the corporate HQ poaching? Here's some jobs for you to replace the high paying professional jobs that belong in the CBD. It's not a zero sum game and construction of suburb schlock around giant high tech factories in the suburbs is beneficial for Racine and also for Chicaog and Milwaukee urban cores. This and giant intermodal warehouses are what belong in the suburbs, not F500 HQs or law firms or tech HQs...

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[HowardL]

What's with all of the Lake View hate? Aside from Wrigleyville, it's hard to do douchey when surrounded by so many dorks. Dorky? Yes. Douchey? Not at all.

[Busy Bee]

Dorky douchey or dorky haha?

[King of Chicago]

Originally Posted by Rizzo

Yep. The blank wall at the street and painted precast aren’t so good. Otherwise it could’ve turned out ok.

Exactly; I think that the 2nd floor and higher look great! Its the first floor with the blank wall that is the real bummer here. I am wondering if we can convince the developer/owner to put art work in those 'frames' on the blank wall?

[moorhosj]

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

I don't see the West Loop as the "second most douchey area in the city". Douchebags are typically frat Bros or big ten Chad's and Trixie's. The West Loop is not marketed to them, it's sold to yipsters and tech Bros which are typically nerdy or semi nerdy. Places far douchier than the West Loop include:

River North (literally every square inch of it)
Division Street in Gold Coast
Rush Street/Viagra Triangle
Division Street in Ukrainian Village (i.e. 50/50)
All of Lincoln Park
All of Lakeview
South Loop (have you even been to Scout?)
Especially Wrigleyville
Most suburban "fake culture" Towne Centres

West Loop doesn't even crack the top ten...

Plenty of frat bros and Big Ten graduates also work at tech companies, often times in very lucrative sales or marketing positions. Head over to Federale's on Friday at 5pm and get back to me.

[Chisouthside]

such a divide is also glaringly obvious in the happy hours of Silicon Valley.

Originally Posted by moorhosj

Plenty of frat bros and Big Ten graduates also work at tech companies, often times in very lucrative sales or marketing positions. Head over to Federale's on Friday at 5pm and get back to me.

[Notyrview]

Originally Posted by moorhosj

I had a friend from NYC refer to the West Loop as a "less douchey Meatpacking District". To Chicagoans, West Loop is considered probably the second douchey-est place behind Wrigleyville.

Lol that's pretty apropos, tho it's way less douchey than meatpacking which is the mothership of douchebaggery; it's like if the Viagra Triangle and West Loop had a shotgun wedding.

I never really thought of Lakeview as douchey, just basic and friendly, but maybe that's changed in the 10 years I've been gone. Wrigleyville, of course, has its moments, but it's really just raunchy, not douchey.

For me, doucheyness requires pretension to something cooler/sexier that is ultimately undercut by gross displays of ego, vanity and stupidity, for which River North really takes the cake imo.

[west-town-brad]

Originally Posted by moorhosj

Plenty of frat bros and Big Ten graduates also work at tech companies, often times in very lucrative sales or marketing positions. Head over to Federale's on Friday at 5pm and get back to me.

wow, guess I'm a douchebag.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by Notyrview

For me, doucheyness requires pretension to something cooler/sexier that is ultimately undercut by gross displays of ego, vanity and stupidity, for which River North really takes the cake imo.

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[moorhosj]

Originally Posted by west-town-brad

wow, guess I'm a douchebag.

I only know because I've been there myself. Any place that rings a bell every time someone takes a shot is deserving of criticism.

Funny enough, this is the first review on Yelp:

10/2/2018

I've come here a couple times and the lines were absurdly long both times. Luckily, I managed to skip the line since my friend knew someone who knew someone etc.

Super fun vibe, can feel a little too douchey, but with a few vodka sodas, that vibe is fine for a bit. I like the ice shots and throwing them at the bell. All in all, I'd come back.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by HowardL

What's with all of the Lake View hate? Aside from Wrigleyville, it's hard to do douchey when surrounded by so many dorks. Dorky? Yes. Douchey? Not at all.

Actually outside of Wrigleyville, I mostly take back mentioning Lakeview. There are pockets here and there but overall it's fine. I like Lakeview East a bit.

[IrishIllini]

It has its moments, but I don't find Lakeview douchey. The north side in general can sometimes feel like a Big Ten campus juiced up to a city, but it's not overkill IMO. There's nothing wrong with frat bros or Big Ten "Chad and Trixie" .

[bnk]

Oh look here they are building two more hospitals in loser Ville Racine. What a wasteland. More working stiffs at low paying jobs. Think of all the janitors, food staff, and CNA's. So many poorly paid people I don't know how that area can handle so such shlock. Keep it out in the suburban wastelands.



https://www.bizjournals.com/milwauke...-hospital.html

Froedtert South plans Foxconn-area hospital neighboring Advocate Aurora project


By Sean Ryan
– Reporter, Milwaukee Business Journal

Oct 4, 2018, 11:35am CDT
Updated Oct 4, 2018, 4:30pm


Froedtert South Inc. plans a 98-bed hospital and medical office building in Mount Pleasant that would share a property line with a $250 million campus proposed by Aurora Health Care and Advocate Health Care.

Both hospital projects would be north of Highway 20 near Interstate 94, a short drive north of Foxconn Technology Group’s manufacturing campus. The neighboring hospital proposals reflect the anticipated growth in Mount Pleasant, and how local companies are mobilizing to meet the demand for new services and housing.




A Foxconn official earlier this week predicted 100,000 more people could move to communities around the company's 3,000-acre Mount Pleasant campus within 10 years.




Froedtert South's plan is the third new health care facility proposed on Highway 20 since this spring.

Froedtert South is a partnership between Kenosha-based United Hospital System and Froedtert Health in Wauwatosa.




Ric Schmidt, president and CEO of Froedtert South, confirmed in a statement that the 41.25-acre site in Mount Pleasant at Highway 20 and International Drive is just one site under consideration for a regional medical center that the board has conceptually approved for Racine County. The system's board will review detailed plans for the development during its 2019 board of directors meetings, he said.

Schmidt's statement did not say which other sites may be under consideration.

Immediately to the west, Advocate Aurora Health Care could break ground later this year on a $250 million campus with a hospital, two clinics and a medical office building. Under that schedule, the campus would open in 2021.

Ascension Wisconsin, which runs All Saints Hospital in Racine and a clinic in Mount Pleasant, in early August proposed a $42 million medical center in Sturtevant on the northeast corner of Highway 20 and Racine County Trunk H.

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[west-town-brad]

Originally Posted by IrishIllini

It has its moments, but I don't find Lakeview douchey. The north side in general can sometimes feel like a Big Ten campus juiced up to a city, but it's not overkill IMO. There's nothing wrong with frat bros or Big Ten "Chad and Trixie" .

I find a big college campus to be a pretty nice place to be. I think most others would agree and many retieres move into college towns for this very reason.

Maybe folks need to spend time outside of Depaul bars?

[jimjoe45]

Originally Posted by HowardL

What's with all of the Lake View hate? Aside from Wrigleyville, it's hard to do douchey when surrounded by so many dorks. Dorky? Yes. Douchey? Not at all.

Glad someone said something cause I don't see it either. Outside of the frat/sports bar atmosphere on a 2 or 3 block stretch of Clark St.

Seems like once a year one of these threads spirals into a discussion of what the "douchey-est" areas of the city is. Funny thing is all the areas, especially Lakeview, have everything the commentators on this forum advocate for. Density; New, thoughtful, Developments (highrise, midrise, lowrise, and single family); Investment in Public Transportation; and yes a vibrant nightlife complete with restaurants, theaters, clubs, and bars.

Originally Posted by IrishIllini

It has its moments, but I don't find Lakeview douchey. The north side in general can sometimes feel like a Big Ten campus juiced up to a city, but it's not overkill IMO. There's nothing wrong with frat bros or Big Ten "Chad and Trixie" .

I'm with you. I don't think any other midwest cities would complain about the level of young Big Ten educated grads moving in...

[the urban politician]

^ If I would make 1 criticism of Lincoln Park/Lakeview, it is that for the urban and bustling neighborhoods of a global city, these areas lack much ethnic diversity. They are very white parts of town.

A lot of people claim that River North, etc are "douchey" and I understand why, but when I go downtown I actually see lots of Asians, Hispanics, African Americans, etc etc. You just don't see much of that in Lakeview and Lincoln Park.

It's a factor to consider.