RAM - Royal Alberta Museum - Page 32

Coldrsx · #**621** Posted **Sep 12, 2018, 7:41 PM**

Love it and surprised at how soon it ended up being.

Hallsy's Toupee · #**622** Posted **Sep 15, 2018, 4:56 PM**

Got my free pass just now. Sign up for an account and password to ensure an order actually goes through.

Black Star · #**623** Posted **Sep 15, 2018, 8:52 PM**

Great news....Another Jewel in our downtown.

DKaz · #**624** Posted **Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM**

I bought an Alberta History Pass when I went to Frank Slide Interpretive Centre which gets me unlimited access to Royal Alberta Museum, Royal Tyrrell Museum, and 21 other museums and heritage sites for the year. Really solid value for the money. So I'll wait until after October 9 to go.

s211 · #**625** Posted **Sep 17, 2018, 8:44 PM**

I did some research and analysis and have to say I'm deeply disappointed, but should expect no less from Donna Clare, because the site accessibility for the elderly or people with wheelchairs is nothing but a cold slap across the face. It really is a complete fail, but not unexpected from the "architect" aka "the butcher of the convention centre".

Honest to God, these are the locations for "accessible parking" listed on the RAM website:

Accessible Parking Spots in Nearby Parkades:

City Hall Parkade – five accessible stalls
Library Parkade – 13 accessible stalls
Canada Place Parkade – six accessible stalls
Edmonton City Centre West Parkade – 11 accessible stalls

Awaiting the contrarian comments from public transit zealots, aka people that typically have little appreciation or sympathy for those that face significant access issues because of limited physical mobility.

Hardhatdan · #**626** Posted **Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

I did some research and analysis and have to say I'm deeply disappointed, but should expect no less from Donna Clare, because the site accessibility for the elderly or people with wheelchairs is nothing but a cold slap across the face. It really is a complete fail, but not unexpected from the "architect" aka "the butcher of the convention centre".

Honest to God, these are the locations for "accessible parking" listed on the RAM website:

Accessible Parking Spots in Nearby Parkades:

City Hall Parkade – five accessible stalls
Library Parkade – 13 accessible stalls
Canada Place Parkade – six accessible stalls
Edmonton City Centre West Parkade – 11 accessible stalls

Awaiting the contrarian comments from public transit zealots, aka people that typically have little appreciation or sympathy for those that face significant access issues because of limited physical mobility.

Was it in the project specs for on-site accessible public parking? I don't believe there is any on-site public parking for the museum. Why would you blame the Architect for following the spec?
There is a drop off zone for various forms of transportation.

EdmTrekker · #**627** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 4:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hardhatdan

Was it in the project specs for on-site accessible public parking? I don't believe there is any on-site public parking for the museum. Why would you blame the Architect for following the spec?
There is a drop off zone for various forms of transportation.

Architect PREPARES THE SPEC. What IS REALITY is the Client made the decision about providing said parking spaces in the Functional Program. The architect develops the Specifications more correctly called the Construction Documents accordingly.

Coldrsx · #**628** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 4:34 AM**

This is NOT about 'the spec', but rather zoning bylaw requirements and section 54 in particular.

https://webdocs.edmonton.ca/zoningbylaw/...king__Loading_and_Passenger_Drop-off.htm

EdmTrekker · #**629** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 4:38 AM**

And which informed into the FP and later into the CD.

Coldrsx · #**630** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 4:39 AM**

Huh?

EdmTrekker · #**631** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 4:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Huh?

What’s the issue. The Consulting Arch in developing the FP were aware of the Bylaws Requirements and the FP for parking developed accordingly ... and then translated into the Construction Documents. What is not correct?

EdmTrekker · #**632** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 4:44 AM**

I have better things to do than school tech puppies.

Coldrsx · #**633** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 4:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

What’s the issue. The Consulting Arch in developing the FP were aware of the Bylaws Requirements and the FP for parking developed accordingly ... and then translated into the Construction Documents. What is not correct?

Sure, but I am still not sure about what you are getting at.

EdmTrekker · #**634** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 4:50 AM**

Read HHDan post 3rd sentence. Self explanatory.

Hardhatdan · #**635** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 1:30 PM**

Oh he's splitting hairs about terminology...

kcantor · #**636** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 1:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

This is NOT about 'the spec', but rather zoning bylaw requirements and section 54 in particular.

https://webdocs.edmonton.ca/zoningbylaw/...king__Loading_and_Passenger_Drop-off.htm

unless they choose to comply as a courtesy, the ram is a provincial building and the province is not required to meet municipal regulations. the decisions to provide or not provide public parking were theirs alone and handicap parking is an accessibility/design issue, not a parking issue. the responsibility for there being none rests with the design team.

Coldrsx · #**637** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 2:12 PM**

That's correct Ken, they do not have to; my reference was in a general application.

Hardhatdan · #**638** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 2:40 PM**

And after all that, we get back to my original point, that S211 is completely off base and should retract his/her statement as its completely unfair to Donna Clare.
- Public Zealot #1?

Airboy · #**639** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 3:13 PM**

Lots of issues with accessibility in most projects. I have been getting schooled in this of late since my wife periodically needs the use of her wheel chair. That said in this case since we have not been to the RAM yet (Will wait till after the rush). there is additional parking in the surface lot at the CN tower and some pretty good ones at Epcor. Also street parking is non-designated but with a Blue pass you can park on the street for free.

Now if we want to talk about accessible, there are a lot of places that say they are accessible but take someone with a wheel chair and you find out how unacceptable places are.

Washrooms are a big pet peeve. try pushing some of the doors if you are in a chair or using a walker. those bastards can be heavy.

Thankfully I can affect change on projects that my firm is involved with.

s211 · #**640** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hardhatdan

And after all that, we get back to my original point, that S211 is completely off base and should retract his/her statement as its completely unfair to Donna Clare.
- Public Zealot #1?

The same Donna Clare that ironically claimed the following:

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/colu...f-royal-alberta-museum-walterdale-bridge