Highways in Canada - Page 350

SignalHillHiker · #**6981** Posted **Aug 30, 2018, 11:30 AM**

Still a total mess of temporary barriers, etc., but Rawlins Cross - one of the city's most notorious intersections - is now Rawlins Roundish-about.

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It's hilarious how big a story this is here. Every media outlet has reporters there live for the first morning rush hour.

Dengler Avenue · #**6982** Posted **Sep 10, 2018, 9:46 PM**

Construction to twin Route 185 (or rather, to turn Route 185 into A85) began in Saint Antonin, QC, a few days ago.

https://www.lavantage.qc.ca/article/2018...e-phase-de-reamenagement-de-la-route-185 (in French/en Français)

craner · #**6983** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 2:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Construction to twin Route 185 (or rather, to turn Route 185 into A85) began in Saint Antonin, QC, a few days ago.

https://www.lavantage.qc.ca/article/2018...e-phase-de-reamenagement-de-la-route-185 (in French/en Français)

This is great news !
Will this complete the twinning to the NB border ?
It's weird seeing the green TCH shield without a number in the maple leaf.

Dengler Avenue · #**6984** Posted **Sep 11, 2018, 2:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by craner

This is great news !
Will this complete the twinning to the NB border ?
It's weird seeing the green TCH shield without a number in the maple leaf.

The segment in question is the 38~46 km of 2-lane undivided Route 185 between Saint Antonin and Saint Louis du Ha! Ha! (Yes, that's an actual name, pretty hilarious too.) From Saint Louis-du-Ha!-Ha! to QC/NB border, it's already a full-fledged freeway. (Lake Témiscouata is breath-taking, by the way.)

That's Quebec and Ontario* for you.

* Sometimes it says what routes though, i.e. Central-Ontario Route for Highway 7 (and 12 and, by extension, 11 around Orillia); Central-Canada Route for Highway 417; Upper Ottawa Valley Route, Northern Ontario Route, Huron Shore Route(?), Lake Superior Route for Highway 17; Voyagers' Route for Highway 11; Georgian Bay Route for 400 (and 69).

ghYHZ · #**6985** Posted **Sep 15, 2018, 1:59 PM**

In the US.....there are internal CBP Inspection Stations located inland and away from the Mexican Border where vehicles can be stopped and occupants questioned about their citizenship.

So is this the closest we have to that in Canada? This is at an inter-provincial border. Arriving at the Marine Atlantic Ferry Terminal in Port-aux-Basques, Newfoundland (sounds like: Port O Bask)...... as you enter this building you will be asked to open your trunk for inspection. They're not looking for illegal immigrants but it's Agriculture Canada looking for soil and plants where a pest might be hitching a ride to the mainland.

And if your vehicle is exceptionally dirty.....it will be washed and even the mats vacuumed (all complementary!) Then you are free to line-up and board the ferry.

(Are there any other inter-provincial inspection stations in Canada?)

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Dengler Avenue · #**6986** Posted **Sep 15, 2018, 9:56 PM**

http://collections.banq.qc.ca/ark:/52327/bs1906777

I didn't know until now that Quebéc's upgrading A20 between Veudrouil-Dorion and l'île-Perrot. If done, that will really facilitate going into Montréal and, by extension, relief bad spots like Métropolitaine/Décarrie (A40/A15 S) and Métropolitaine/Laurentides (A40/A15 N).

Does anyone from Montréal know the current progress/status of this project?

sonysnob · #**6987** Posted **Sep 16, 2018, 1:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

http://collections.banq.qc.ca/ark:/52327/bs1906777

I didn't know until now that Quebéc's upgrading A20 between Veudrouil-Dorion and l'île-Perrot. If done, that will really facilitate going into Montréal and, by extension, relief bad spots like Métropolitaine/Décarrie (A40/A15 S) and Métropolitaine/Laurentides (A40/A15 N).

Does anyone from Montréal know the current progress/status of this project?

Someone from Quebec is quite likely more up to date on this project than I am, but I don't get the sense there are any serious ambitions to complete A-20 through Dorion right now. Sure, they have a plan to do so, but that planning document that you linked to is from 2009, which is from before A-30 was completed. With the completion of A-30, there seems to be less desire from the Government of Quebec to finish A-20.

Probably the next autoroute project to go ahead in the Montreal area will be the extension of Autoroute 19 to A-640. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the government has announced that project, no?

Acajack · #**6988** Posted **Sep 16, 2018, 1:44 PM**

I know A-20 in the Dorion area is a missing link but I've never heard of it being a short or medium term priority.

WildCake · #**6989** Posted **Sep 16, 2018, 3:15 PM**

Manitoba's largest interchange at Hwy 59 and 101 has been partially opened, with all ramps opening up by the end of October.

https://news.gov.mb.ca/asset_library/en/newslinks/2018/09/180911_Traffic_Open_edited.pdf

This makes Winnipeg's Perimeter highway 4 lanes twinned all the way around the city, however it is still deficient with many at grade intersections and outdated interchanges

haljackey · #**6990** Posted **Sep 17, 2018, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by WildCake

This makes Winnipeg's Perimeter highway 4 lanes twinned all the way around the city, however it is still deficient with many at grade intersections and outdated interchanges

Dengler Avenue · #**6991** Posted **Sep 17, 2018, 5:48 PM**

Oops my bad, I always forget to read the published date.

Loco101 · #**6992** Posted **Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

http://collections.banq.qc.ca/ark:/52327/bs1906777

I didn't know until now that Quebéc's upgrading A20 between Veudrouil-Dorion and l'île-Perrot. If done, that will really facilitate going into Montréal and, by extension, relief bad spots like Métropolitaine/Décarrie (A40/A15 S) and Métropolitaine/Laurentides (A40/A15 N).

Does anyone from Montréal know the current progress/status of this project?

I did read an article about it a few months ago. I remember it saying that it won't happen for awhile but will eventually happen. The MTQ has a ROW in both of the non-freeway sections to bypass but they are also still slowly purchasing properties along the ROW for interchanges. I think it also mentioned that it would be a very costly project and expediting it is not worthwhile.

Dengler Avenue · #**6993** Posted **Sep 17, 2018, 9:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Loco101

I did read an article about it a few months ago. I remember it saying that it won't happen for awhile but will eventually happen. The MTQ has a ROW in both of the non-freeway sections to bypass but they are also still slowly purchasing properties along the ROW for interchanges. I think it also mentioned that it would be a very costly project and expediting it is not worthwhile.

IIRC the document said $550M. Oh well such is the hassle of building a freeway through an urbanized area.

nephersir7 · #**6994** Posted **Sep 17, 2018, 11:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I didn't know until now that Quebéc's upgrading A20 between Veudrouil-Dorion and l'île-Perrot.

Does anyone from Montréal know the current progress/status of this project?

2 years ago, the local Liberal MNA was very upfront about the situation:

"I often bring the topic up with my colleagues. The project isn't part of the government's priorities. It's a long term project. The studies that were completed are now obsolete. Everything needs to be redone, but nothing is planned"

http://www.viva-media.ca/actualite/en-tete-a-tete-avec-marie-claude-nichols/

Loco101 · #**6995** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 1:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

IIRC the document said $550M. Oh well such is the hassle of building a freeway through an urbanized area.

I think the ROW goes along where there is a railway.

It's so strange that the main roadway connecting Montreal and Toronto isn't a freeway in a couple of sections.

Dengler Avenue · #**6996** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 2:21 AM**

Could it be that, back in the days, connection between Montréal and Ottawa was tighter than between Montréal and Toronto?

Or, could it be that people realized in the 70s that wrecking cities to build highways wasn’t the way to go so MTQ instead built A540 (now known as A30) to link A20 to A40?

sonysnob · #**6997** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 3:06 AM**

^ Autoroute 40 is only a couple of kilometres north of Autoroute 20 through the West Island, with a decent highway connection between the two via A-540, A-13 and the Décarie. Autoroute 20 has never been finished because it's never really needed to be finished. The section of A-40 that by-passes A-20 functions pretty adequately most of the time, so there hasn't really been the need.

A-20 is the former alignment of Quebec's Highway 2. It was built as a divided highway before the autoroute era, replacing the former alignment of Highway 2 that went through all of the communities. Quebec actually had a number of rural divided highways before the autoroute era, most notably Highway 9, which became Highway 116.

I have attached a couple of old maps of Montreal. The first is from 1957, which shows Highway 2 as a divided highway:

The second is from 1964, which shows Highway 2 as a divided highway, with the Metropolitaine Autoroute under construction to the north:

Some of the traffic signals on Montreal Island along A-20 weren't removed until relatively recently. I don't think that the traffic signals at Woodland Avenue were removed until 2000 or so.

Acajack · #**6998** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 3:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Could it be that, back in the days, connection between Montréal and Ottawa was tighter than between Montréal and Toronto?

Or, could it be that people realized in the 70s that wrecking cities to build highways wasn’t the way to go so MTQ instead built A540 (now known as A30) to link A20 to A40?

401-20-30 (former 540)-40-15 is the recommended Tor-Mtl route. Has been for decades.

This routing was all freeway before the Mtl-Ott route IIRC, which was only completed on the Ontario side around 1975.

trebor204 · #**6999** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 3:20 AM**

Found some old road maps online: (Sorry if they were already posted)

Western Canada from 1935
https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/road...tion-on-national-parks-in-western-canada

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/road...and-vicinity-map-cover-and-mileage-chart

An achieve of old Manitoba Road Maps (from 1926 on)

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/maparchive/index.html

Acajack · #**7000** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 12:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

401-20-30 (former 540)-40-15 is the recommended Tor-Mtl route. Has been for decades.

This routing was all freeway before the Mtl-Ott route IIRC, which was only completed on the Ontario side around 1975.

The routing from Ontario and the West to the Maritimes was also always along the 40, then the 25 (tunnel under the river) then the 20 going east.