Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[twig]

Is the Patrinley Group ever going to break ground on 650 Main? I'm getting a little depressed seeing that the Patrinley Group has a 30 story building currently under construction in Denver, and looks as if they are moving in the right direction for another tower right next to it in Denver at 38 stories...

[Always Sunny in SLC]

https://www.ksl.com/article/46390107...ed-from-office

Not surprised. I am excited for some of the potential candidates. At the risk of over simplifying things it felt as if she won based on the excitement of the first openly gay woman mayor in Utah more than her credentials and ideas. People on this board warned she has a hard time getting along with people that disagree with her and man that proved right. She is the most ineffective SLC mayor in my life. The disappointing part is if she follows her playbook from the past she will blame sexism or homophobia or both as to why she is down in the polls and had so many conflicts.

[meman]

JUst like Twig is saying, What is the holdup at 650 S. Main? Why is it still a parking lot?
Construction was supposed to have started months ago???

[Dogwata]

I really like Jackie. It's been nice to have an actual progressive who doesn't cave to the corrupt donor class of Utah for once. Can you imagine our political reality if she didn't have a platform?

I think that the lack of businesses/corporations relocating to downtown SLC is due to a variety of factors, and while she could certainly have some effect in that regard, at least she's managed to promote more housing development like we haven't seen in a while. The anger at homeless shelters just seems like straight-up classism to me.

[Comrade]

That poll is garbage.

It's got a margin of error of plus or minus 6.8 percent. Any poll with a MOE that high is extremely unreliable.

I don't know if Jackie will be reelected but I wouldn't use that poll as anything but the junk it is.

[asies1981]

Update on The Exchange. And from what I've heard about Patrinely is that they are struggling to find a construction crew they trust for this type of project.

[asies1981]

Originally Posted by Comrade

That poll is garbage.

It's got a margin of error of plus or minus 6.8 percent. Any poll with a MOE that high is extremely unreliable.

I don't know if Jackie will be reelected but I wouldn't use that poll as anything but the junk it is.

Jackie is actually incredibly vulnerable, I know of several internal polls that show that she will have to fight for reelection. Honestly, with the work that I do and the information I have access too, she is very bad for this city. We are having a hard time recruiting and retaining top talent because she is so difficult to work with. Also at this point in his reelection bid, 72 percent of likely voters said that Becker deserved another term.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by asies1981

Jackie is actually incredibly vulnerable, I know of several internal polls that show that she will have to fight for reelection. Honestly, with the work that I do and the information I have access too, she is very bad for this city. We are having a hard time recruiting and retaining top talent because she is so difficult to work with. Also at this point in his reelection bid, 72 percent of likely voters said that Becker deserved another term.

I don't doubt she is vulnerable. This isn't about that. It's about a shit poll. That poll is absolutely garbage with its huge MOE.

I'm to the point where I hope Jackie wins just to continue pissing people off.

[Makid]

Originally Posted by asies1981

Update on The Exchange. And from what I've heard about Patrinely is that they are struggling to find a construction crew they trust for this type of project.

I hope that the Planning Commission gives the approval for the increased height. It is sad in many ways that more developers haven't tried to push heights up and this is the first push along 4th South.

For Patrinely, I think this is also the issue with other projects being slower. The only projects that are really happening are Residential or shorter suburban commercial buildings around the south end of the valley.

All the large crane operators and steel workers have been working at the airport for the past few years. Some of the workers will be freed up as work begins to shift soon, so that should help with projects around downtown. The problem is though, that work will shift back in about 18 months or less and that will create a need for even more workers.

I would hope that some of the larger companies have been doing what they can to pull in trained workers from around the country already because we will need even more in the very near future.

[T-Stan]

Originally Posted by Comrade

I don't doubt she is vulnerable. This isn't about that. It's about a shit poll. That poll is absolutely garbage with its huge MOE.

I'm to the point where I hope Jackie wins just to continue pissing people off.

I think we all know quite well that pissing people off is your major platform

[Denvergotback]

Originally Posted by Makid

I hope that the Planning Commission gives the approval for the increased height. It is sad in many ways that more developers haven't tried to push heights up and this is the first push along 4th South.

For Patrinely, I think this is also the issue with other projects being slower. The only projects that are really happening are Residential or shorter suburban commercial buildings around the south end of the valley.

All the large crane operators and steel workers have been working at the airport for the past few years. Some of the workers will be freed up as work begins to shift soon, so that should help with projects around downtown. The problem is though, that work will shift back in about 18 months or less and that will create a need for even more workers.

I would hope that some of the larger companies have been doing what they can to pull in trained workers from around the country already because we will need even more in the very near future.

Denver got to the point they had to do this as well, the Gaylord Rockies for example had to bring in over a thousand construction workers from Texas to build their building.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Dogwata

I really like Jackie. It's been nice to have an actual progressive who doesn't cave to the corrupt donor class of Utah for once. Can you imagine our political reality if she didn't have a platform?

I think that the lack of businesses/corporations relocating to downtown SLC is due to a variety of factors, and while she could certainly have some effect in that regard, at least she's managed to promote more housing development like we haven't seen in a while. The anger at homeless shelters just seems like straight-up classism to me.

What are you talking about?

1) She was elected on a wave of Reagan Signs money. Becker tried to go after them for their dilapidated properties (like the one on 13th and 3rd) and was opposed to the expansion of electronic billboards in the city. Enter Reagan and the name recognition they gifted Jackie.

2) Your identity alone does not make you progressive. What progressive thing has she accomplished as mayor? From my perspective this city, from aN administrative standpoint, seems much less progressive than a few years ago. If the progressive label is what you crave then Rocky was definitely the mayor for you. Progressive for a change, give me a break.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Comrade

I don't doubt she is vulnerable. This isn't about that. It's about a shit poll. That poll is absolutely garbage with its huge MOE.

I'm to the point where I hope Jackie wins just to continue pissing people off.

I'm 80% sure that Dabakis will be the next mayor

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

I'm 80% sure that Dabakis will be the next mayor

Ugh. I hope not. I'm gay myself but I'm not excited about that prospect. He wouldn't be as bad as Jackie, but I'm not impressed, either. I used to have to work with Jackie professionally and she's a nightmare.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Comrade

I don't doubt she is vulnerable. This isn't about that. It's about a shit poll. That poll is absolutely garbage with its huge MOE.

I'm to the point where I hope Jackie wins just to continue pissing people off.

I'm surprised Dan Jones would do a poll like that. I'm guessing Utah Policy couldn't afford a 500-1000 respondent survey.

While the moe is high, if you add 7% to those who want her reelected, that's still only 41%. Not good.

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Stenar

Ugh. I hope not. I'm gay myself but I'm not excited about that prospect. He wouldn't be as bad as Jackie, but I'm not impressed, either. I used to have to work with Jackie professionally and she's a nightmare.

I don't see any other potential contenders. Maybe McAdams if he loses to Love in Nov

Edit: scratch that Jenny Wilson will definitely lose to Mitt. She was on the city council and will have had experience running a larger campaign. She could be one to look out for

[bob rulz]

To my untrained eyes, Jackie is far less progressive than either Ralph Becker or Rocky Anderson was (though I certainly prefer the quiet progressivism of Becker to the attention-seeking progressivism of Rocky). She's passive on transit, doesn't seem to push much for an urbanization-oriented agenda, and is in the pockets of billboard money (an overlooked but real impediment to development). Also, being difficult to work with is not a point in her favor. The one and only thing I will give her credit for (at least that I'm aware enough of to remember) is pushing for more affordable housing.

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by asies1981

Update on The Exchange.

I love the location and the mixed-use concept, but I hope the design looks better when it's built because those renderings are very bland imo. If the old Salt Lake Roasting Co. building must come down (I really wish that one could've been kept, but can't keep them all I guess), then it better be for something good.

[Makid]

I am going to put this here as it ends up having a bit more impact here overall than it does to the MSA overall. With the Inland Port and the State pushing the CSA numbers for recruitment, it may also help with any City recruitment efforts as well.

This was released yesterday:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...etin-18-04.pdf

New MSA and CSA configurations were announced.

Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT Combined Statistical Area
Heber, UT Micropolitan Statistical Area - Summit County and Wasatch County
Ogden-Clearfield, UT Metropolitan Statistical Area - Weber, Davis, Box Elder, and Morgan Counties
Provo-Orem, UT Metropolitan Statistical Area - Utah and Juab Counties
Salt Lake City, UT Metropolitan Statistical Area - Salt Lake and Tooele Counties

We have officially added Wasatch, Morgan, Box Elder, and Juab Counties to the Salt Lake City CSA as of 9/14/18.

[Utah_Dave]

Welcome to SLC Cornerstone!! By SLC do they mean Lehi?