Great Canadian Skyline Thread II

[Spocket]

Is that supposed to act as proof of your assertion? Because it seems to act as the opposite.

[franktko]

Originally Posted by Spocket

Is that supposed to act as proof of your assertion? Because it seems to act as the opposite.

Especially that midtown NYC is larger on the west-east axis than it is on the south-north axis which is represented in the above diagram. For Toronto, it's the opposite; it's smaller on the west-east axis than what is shown.

EDIT: didn't read your previous post where you already stated this. I'm just babling, carry on...

[GeneralLea]

This is the peak of the Yonge and Eglinton skyline, taken from one of the side streets of Yonge by me, today:
[IMG]1536179244792 by Josh Kenn Photographics, on Flickr[/IMG]

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by logan5

Re dt density - From the last census (2016) somebody here counted up the census tracts that make up 5 sq miles of downtown Toronto. Came out to 200 000, or 40 000/sq mile. The density drops quite a bit outside that zone. Densest parts of Manhattan are over 100 000 per. Here's a bar graph that might be interesting to look at. Even Harlem is super dense.

Downtown population as of 2016 was estimated at about 250,000 in 13 sqkm (19,230/sqkm), rising quickly and set to nearly double in the next 20 years: https://www.cp24.com/news/downtown-popul...uilding-and-baby-boom-keesmaat-1.2846605

[softee]

Manhattan is obviously much denser than downtown Toronto, but there are some census tracts in downtown Toronto with densities in excess of 100,000 people per square mile.

I do think that over the next few decades the population and built density in downtown Toronto will dramatically increase, while in Manhattan it will probably remain close to what is is now, it's already packed to the gills with urban density and has been for a very long time.

[TorontoDrew]

I don't see any Canadian city ever catching up with Manhattan. I do feel safer saying that in 20 or 39 years Toronto's skyline might be the second largest in North America. Our closest comparison's population has been stagnant for years now, Chicago. I do see a slow down in highrise builds being a possibility under Premier DoFo as he wants to open up greenspace to sprawling suburban developers.

[hipster duck]

If we're not the second "largest" by now, we must be close. Whether we are the second "best" is a matter for debate, and I personally think that we are maybe 4th after NY, Chicago, and Philly (and - when I'm particularly uninspired by Toronto's tabletop developments - behind a city like San Francisco as well).

I'm not that attracted to Toronto's propensity to get no-name local architects like Grazziani Corraza to build our tall showcase buildings that are visible from far away, nor the fact that every tall building seemingly tops out at the same height, thus forming a 300 m tabletop.

When I'm in a more charitable mood, I kind of revel in the fact that Toronto has a very schizoid skyline of scattered tall buildings mingling above a dense carpet of 40 storey condos, but I'd honestly prefer if we had better buildings arranged in a more conical and traditional way.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Downtown population as of 2016 was estimated at about 250,000 in 13 sqkm (19,230/sqkm), rising quickly and set to nearly double in the next 20 years: https://www.cp24.com/news/downtown-popul...uilding-and-baby-boom-keesmaat-1.2846605

The story you linked to only says "core area". The 2011 numbers are right because the census tracts were counted up inside that 13 sq km boundary, but that 250 000 figure for 2016 is probly wrong. I didn't count up the 2016 census tracts myself because it's a lot of work, but forum member memph did and he came up with 201 856.

Here's the Stats Can map if anyone wants to confirm that number. Make sure it's set to Census Tracts.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/geo/geosearch-georecherche/index-eng.cfm

[isaidso]

I think this one is more accurate:

Downtown Toronto population growth rate expected to slow 2016-2041 compared to 2011-2016


2011 Census: 199,000 (14,314 people/km2)
2016 Census: 238,000 (17,000 people/km2)
2041 Estimate: 475,000 (33,929 people/km2)

Rate = n[(A/P)1/nt - 1]
Annual population growth rate 2011-2016: 3.644%
Annual population growth rate 2016-2041: 2.803%


Downtown Toronto Boundary, roughly 14 km2 in area

Courtesy of the City of Toronto

[logan5]

If anybody's is interested to know the population of the expanded DT Vancouver area (13.7 sq km's), it's at 180 000 as of the 2016 census.

Toronto's pulled ahead by a bit, but still pretty good if you're a density fan.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

I don't see any Canadian city ever catching up with Manhattan. I do feel safer saying that in 20 or 39 years Toronto's skyline might be the second largest in North America.

Not too long ago people scoffed at the notion that Toronto's skyline could catch up to Chicago's, yet it's more a matter of 'when' than 'if' these days. You say 20-39 years? The SSP data base indicates that it could happen within the next 8-10 years. It could be neck and neck by 2025.

Manhattan is massively larger than downtown Chicago and the idea of closing the gap feels impossible. That said, the only constant in the world is change. No city or country stays #1 forever. There's no reason why the north American city that topples it can't be Toronto.

[FrankieFlowerpot]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnUjASlhjtu/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=15ic2yuis8p32

[scryer]

Ok so no one is going to talk about those awesome Hali shots, eh?

[GeneralLea]

It's a great photo, showing a sense of depth you don't see so often in Halifax, but keep in mind many photos don't get the attention you're asking for on this thread or similar ones...

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Not too long ago people scoffed at the notion that Toronto's skyline could catch up to Chicago's, yet it's more a matter of 'when' than 'if' these days. You say 20-39 years? The SSP data base indicates that it could happen within the next 8-10 years. It could be neck and neck by 2025.

Manhattan is massively larger than downtown Chicago and the idea of closing the gap feels impossible. That said, the only constant in the world is change. No city or country stays #1 forever. There's no reason why the north American city that topples it can't be Toronto.

I understand your point but in pure aesthetics it will take more then 8-10 years to surpass Chicago in style. I'me suggesting 20-30 years hoping that the trend to build better looking structures in this city takes hold. 8-10 years is not enough time to block out years of boring mediocre towers that have gone up. As for beating New York, unless styles like Art Deco come back into play I don't see any North American or any other World city beating NYC with it's stockpile of every architectural skyscraper moment designs.

[MonkeyRonin]

https://www.blogto.com/real-estate-toronto/2018/09/183-dovercourt-road/

[TorontoDrew]

Looks like the roof of the Argyle Lofts. Amazing view they have

[niwell]

That's always been one of my favourite buildings, and I didn't realize until now it had such an amazing penthouse. It's expensive, but not nearly as much as I would have guessed.

[TorontoDrew]

Wow, it's only $1.3 million. I bet the price was set like that to create a bidding war.

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Wow, it's only $1.3 million. I bet the price was set like that to create a bidding war.

Only $1.3 million?? That seems like a ripoff for a 900sq ft 1 bedroom condo all the way in Dovercourt.