Expo Line - Surrey Langley Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by scryer

They've started construction on what they are calling is preliminary work on 104tha and 148th. I'm not sure what they are doing but I have walked by it a couple of times. Does anyone have any insights?

The Project: Surrey LRT

104 Avenue Feeder Watermain Relocation

A 600 mm watermain currently runs down the centre of 104 Avenue, under what will be the future LRT track. The section of that watermain between City Parkway and 144 Street is being relocated now, prior to construction of LRT.

104 Avenue Trunk Storm Sewer Relocation

A 900 mm storm sewer pipe runs down the centre of 104 Avenue under what will be the future LRT track. The section of pipe between 148 and 150 Streets is being relocated now, prior to construction of LRT.

[Migrant_Coconut]

I take it Surrey First is trying to pull a Christy Clark here? Or would they have to be moved for a BRT/SkyTrain too?

Originally Posted by jsbertram

are you ready for surrey's meathead drivers?

To be fair, the prick would've tried to breeze through the red - and the pedestrian cross without looking - even if the streetcar wasn't there.

[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I take it Surrey First is trying to pull a Christy Clark here?

Pretty much. They’re moving as far along as possible so that there’s no chance of returning back.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

To be fair, the prick would've tried to breeze through the red - and the pedestrian cross without looking - even if the streetcar wasn't there.

Idiot drivers are everywhere in this continent; having a train directly exposed to vehicle traffic will exacerbate the problem now that you have people in it.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

lifted from Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion



are you ready for surrey's meathead drivers?

That is one of the TTC's old street car lines, not a new LRT station. I believe they have been operating like that for over 150 years (since back when the street cars were pulled by horses). The system proposed for Surrey would have proper stations, not these archaic stops. I'm not saying I support the proposed system but fearmongering just weakens your cause. Reading this forum one would think we were in Salem Massachusetts.

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[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by roger1818

That is one of the TTC's old street car lines, not a new LRT station. I believe they have been operating like that for over 150 years (since back when the street cars were pulled by horses). The system proposed for Surrey would have proper stations, not these archaic stops. I'm not saying I support the proposed system but fearmongering just weakens your cause. Reading this forum one would think we were in Salem Massachusetts.

These stations are not even barricaded. I didn’t see any stations that are fenced off from vehicle traffic; an idiot on an 18-wheeler might skid and crash into the station.

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Unrelated, but how can you still be awake at 1:30 in the morning? It’s bedtime in the East.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Firebrand

These stations are not even barricaded. I didn’t see any stations that are fenced off from vehicle traffic; an idiot on an 18-wheeler might skid and crash into the station.

The point is that Surrey's light rail is in a traffic-separated median, so if one wants to point out how much LRT sucks, best stick to videos of LRV collisions in medians (of which there's plenty lying around the internet). Linking every traffic incident that happens to have a tram in it does not help the conversation one bit and borders on herd/mob mentality - the tram above wasn't even responsible for the crash!

Originally Posted by Firebrand

Unrelated, but how can you still be awake at 1:30 in the morning? It’s bedtime in the East.

It's a long weekend, isn't it? Who cares what time people are logged in, so long as they have a good point to make? I for one - and I'm guessing you too, on occasion - have been up much later than 2am.

[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

The point is that Surrey's light rail is in a traffic-separated median, so if one wants to point out how much LRT sucks, best stick to videos of LRV collisions in medians. Linking every traffic incident that happens to have a tram in it does not help the conversation one bit and borders on herd/mob mentality - the tram above wasn't even responsible for the crash!

I didn’t say that every accident involving a tram is caused by a tram. What I’m saying is that idiot drivers (like the one in the video) will disobey the rules and will create inconvenience to everyone adjacent to the incident. Since they will have to ban some left turns on 104th once they get the train running, there will always be one dumb driver that will turn while the train approaches. I guess the driver has to bolt home to go to the bathroom.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

It's a long weekend, isn't it? Who cares what time people are logged in, so long as they have a good point to make? I for one (and I'm guessing you too, on occasion) have been up much later than 2am.

Hipocrisy hurts sometimes. What else can you do when you have nothing to do? Unless you have an exam the very next day, but school hasn’t started yet, so who gives?

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by Firebrand

Pretty much. They’re moving as far along as possible so that there’s no chance of returning back.



Idiot drivers are everywhere in this continent; having a train directly exposed to vehicle traffic will exacerbate the problem now that you have people in it.

Look how far they moved along the George Massey and they still cancelled it.

[Firebrand]

There’s a tweet that I just found from Global News:

https://mobile.twitter.com/globalbc/status/1036769782085898241?s=21

[officedweller]

Thanks.

Here you go:

Federal government confirms investment in Surrey LRT and Broadway subway line
https://globalnews.ca/news/4426775/the-f...-in-surrey-lrt-and-broadway-subway-line/

[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Thanks.

Here you go:

Federal government confirms investment in Surrey LRT and Broadway subway line
https://globalnews.ca/news/4426775/the-f...-in-surrey-lrt-and-broadway-subway-line/

What’s the point? It’s just a rehash of the same crap, only with Trudeau in it because he wants to look like he’s doing good due to the TransMountain nonsense he’s has to deal with.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Firebrand

What’s the point? It’s just a rehash of the same crap, only with Trudeau in it because he wants to look like he’s doing good due to the TransMountain nonsense he’s has to deal with.

Every government will announce funding for the same project multiple times, especially when it is getting close to an election.

[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Every government will announce funding for the same project multiple times, especially when it is getting close to an election.

The Federal Election is almost a year away, so it’s easy to see why he’s pulling a PR stunt.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Three more candidates openly against LRT. If our wishes are granted and Surrey elects a pro-SkyTrain council that gets the project cancelled, what happens on Trudeau's and/or Horgan's end?

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Three more candidates openly against LRT. If our wishes are granted and Surrey elects a pro-SkyTrain council that gets the project cancelled, what happens on Trudeau's and/or Horgan's end?

Given that Horgan's positioned himself as the local/mayors' premier, I'd think he'd support the decision. The NDP seemed to emphasize local autonomy rather than the LRT specifically, so I think they'd be on board provided the rest of the mayors are too.

And with Trudeau, I don't think he really cares what kind of transit runs in Surrey haha. As long as the money stays more or less the same, which I think estimates show it would, I think he'd support it as well.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Every government will announce funding for the same project multiple times, especially when it is getting close to an election.

Originally Posted by Firebrand

The Federal Election is almost a year away, so it’s easy to see why he’s pulling a PR stunt.

...and we have local elections in October. Expect more photo ops in the next month and a half-ish.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If our wishes are granted and Surrey elects a pro-SkyTrain council that gets the project cancelled, what happens on Trudeau's and/or Horgan's end?

Not much. They committed to improving transit - not the tech that powers it. They'll follow up with the promised money if there's a plan ready to go.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Not much. They committed to improving transit - not the tech that powers it. They'll follow up with the promised money if there's a plan ready to go.

Different place and different era, but when a newly elected city council in Ottawa cancelled their 2006 LRT plan, the province and feds punished the city financially when the current system (more of a light metro) was proposed by only committing money based on preliminary estimates that didn't take inflation into account. As a result the city had to find ways to save money on the plan and contribute more than the 1/3 of the cost initially budgeted.

[officedweller]

TransLink now accepting bids to build Surrey LRT
by Martin MacMahon
Posted Sep 5, 2018 11:59 am PDT
Last Updated Sep 5, 2018 at 1:02 pm PDT
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TransLink is now putting out a call to prospective builders to bid on the Surrey-Newton-Guildford line with construction beginning as soon as 2020. The transit authority says they hope to narrow down a short list and award a contract next year.
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https://www.citynews1130.com/2018/09/05/translink-now-accepting-bids-build-surrey-lrt/

[Firebrand]

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[deasine]

Keep in mind the Evergreen Line went through the same process - depending on the mayor that is elected in the next election, there may be another twist in the discussion.