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Old Posted Feb 14, 2018, 4:06 AM
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Yes - good, competent building (although I'm also puzzled by the corner circular cut-out with no windows...).
I find the concave corner treatment a bit odd a well... but it could look interesting if it was illuminated at night.

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I like how they smartly leave the eastern wall blank on the lot line so that another building can abut it one day.
I believe that's a code requirement if you are building to the lot line.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2018, 4:38 AM
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Looking at this one next to the other proposals for Rideau east of King Edward, this area really has promise. Hopefully they all happen. This part of Rideau would look a lot more like downtown and would have better architecture than the garbage west of King Edward.

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Old Posted Feb 14, 2018, 4:46 PM
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Lots of good comments and ones I agree with about this proposal and this part of Rideau, in the last couple of pages. As others have said before, SSP needs an upvote button.


It's encouraging seeing downtown east of King Edward and north of Sandy Hill (EDIT) getting some more much-needed TLC/$$$
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Looking at these proposals, it seems Rideau Street will soon have the density to support a subway!
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Out of the 4 pictured above. Are any approved or going forward anytime soon? There's lots of proposals for the area, unfortunately doesn't seem to be much movement on any of them
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2018, 1:04 AM
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I actually like this proposal. But looking at the podium made me think of the shoppers drug mart just down the road on Rideau. Hope this gets approved.
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Looking at these proposals, it seems Rideau Street will soon have the density to support a subway!
Indeed.

I think my Rideau Transit Mall idea has merits if they keep putting up 30+ storey condos along Rideau.
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looking at this one next to the other proposals for rideau east of king edward, this area really has promise. Hopefully they all happen. This part of rideau would look a lot more like downtown and would have better architecture than the garbage Crapridge west of king edward.
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Overall, I like it! The grey top could use a little variety, either in colour, shape or materials, and I'm not a fan of blank walls (ever!), but compared to most other buildings in Ottawa, it's pretty decent!
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Looking at these proposals, it seems Rideau Street will soon have the density to support a subway!
I've been saying for a long time that a new Rideau subway line would be ideal. It could basically follow Rideau and Montreal Roads all the way to the Gloucester Centre, where it would connect with the Confederation Line East.
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Yes - good, competent building (although I'm also puzzled by the corner circular cut-out with no windows...). I like how they smartly leave the eastern wall blank on the lot line so that another building can abut it one day.
Do they have a choice? I thought it was obligatory.
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Do they have a choice? I thought it was obligatory.
Not if they set that side of the building back from the lot line... but that would mean lost revenue due to a smaller footprint.
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I've been saying for a long time that a new Rideau subway line would be ideal. It could basically follow Rideau and Montreal Roads all the way to the Gloucester Centre, where it would connect with the Confederation Line East.
That's the (dream) plan! Catch La Cité Collégiale while heading down there to secure service too all 4 of Ottawa's major post-secondary institutions (and no, Trim Station serving the satellite trades campus does not count).
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Not if they set that side of the building back from the lot line... but that would mean lost revenue due to a smaller footprint.
Perhaps, but could also have increased revenue if added windows allowed for more units, better layouts etc.
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Builder Chenier plans redevelopment of Rideau Street property

By: OBJ staff
Published: Mar 12, 2018 2:47pm EDT




A Cornwall-based developer wants to put up a nine-storey building with a mix of commercial and residential space on the site of a historic home at the corner of Rideau and Cobourg streets.

Chenier Development Corp.’s proposal for 541 and 545 Rideau St. at the northeast corner of Cobourg – located between King Edward Avenue and the Rideau River – calls for 102 residential units above a ground-floor commercial space, according to a planning application filed at City Hall.

The home that currently occupies the site, a three-storey red-brick dwelling, is not formally designated as a heritage building. However, the developer says the home has “historic value” and would be reconstructed on the northwest corner of the property as a semi-detached dwelling with two units fronting on to Cobourg Street.

The proposal aims to be part of a “revitalized Rideau Street,” the developer says. The site would feature 53 underground parking spaces that would be accessed from Cobourg Street.

The developer’s plans also call for a rooftop patio and “communal amenity space” in the new building, which is designed by Barry Podolsky Associates.

At 29 metres tall, the proposed tower exceeds the maximum height of 19 metres allowed under current zoning, but the developers argue the building’s architecture fits the character of the neighbourhood and the overall project “conforms to the vision” of the community design plan.

http://www.obj.ca/article/builder-chenier-plans-redevelopment-rideau-street-property
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Developer's approach a model for others, neighbours say

Chenier Group consulted community, stuck to height limit laid out in design plan

Laurie Fagan · CBC News · Posted: Aug 25, 2018 5:00 AM ET


Peter Ferguson, chair of the Lowertown Community Association's planning committee, praises Gaetan Chenier for preserving elements of the old house at the corner of Rideau and CoBourg streets. (Laurie Fagan/CBC)

Peter Ferguson and his comrades with the Lowertown Community Association have fought countless battles with developers over infill projects in their downtown neighbourhood.

Sometimes they win, but often they lose. Whatever the outcome, the combatants always seem to emerge bloodied and battered.

Imagine Ferguson's relief when they came up against Chenier Group.

The builder wants to construct a nine-storey apartment building at 541-545 Rideau St, a deep lot at the corner of Cobourg Street that's currently occupied by a 150-year-old red brick dwelling.

Chenier Group's proposal conforms to the Uptown Rideau community design plan (CDP), a council-approved document that's meant to guide growth, but which is more often than not ignored by developers.

It would also add much-needed rental units at a time when the city — and this neighbourhood in particular — are grappling with record-low vacancy rates.


An architect's rendering of the nine-storey apartment building Chenier Group hopes to build at the corner of Rideau and Cobourg streets. (Chenier Group )

Collaborative approach

"The nine-storey ceiling was particularly important to us," Ferguson said. "[Company president] Gaetan [Chenier] was determined that he was going to stay within the limits of the [community] design plan, and good for him, he did."

The Lowertown Community Association has opposed several developments along Rideau Street for exceeding height limits set out in the CDP. Those include The Charlotte, a condo tower proposed for a vacant lot across Rideau Street from Chenier's site.

Shortly after buying the property, Chenier, acting on the advice of Ottawa architect Barry Podolsky, approached the community association to discuss his plans and ask for feedback from residents.

"My approach has always been a collaborative one," Chenier said. "I recognize this is a community development process, so get the community involved so they can give input."


Gaetan Chenier stands outside the Confederation-era home he plans to dismantle and partially rebuild on the same lot. (Laurie Fagan/CBC )

Praise from councillor

The community did offer its input, and compromises were made on both sides, Ferguson said.

"[Chenier] was very forthcoming," he said. "In our minds, it's a model for public consultation around the development process, and there's no reason why others can't be doing the same thing."

Chenier's approach also won praise from Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury, who submitted comments to the planning committe:

"There has been a conscious effort on the part of the applicant to engage the community in all aspects of this project," Fleury wrote. "This can be seen in the number of times the applicant has reached out to the community stakeholders to gain feedback since the initial submission of the project."

But it's what the developer has planned for the original building, constructed shortly after Confederation, that's winning him special praise for going above and beyond the city's requirements.


Originally built in 1870 as a single-family home, the building that now occupies the site doesn't have heritage designation. (Laurie Fagan, CBC)

Brick by brick

Built in 1870 as a single-family home, the building that now occupies the property was converted to apartments after the First World War. Until a few years ago the ground floor served as a coffee house and catering business.

The building, which has undergone extensive renovations and additions over the decades, doesn't have official heritage designation, but the city hoped to see some part of it preserved nonetheless.

Chenier first proposed incorporating the red brick facade into the new apartment building. When he discovered that plan wasn't viable, he hired engineers to determine whether the original building could be moved. That, too, was a no-go.

Instead, Chenier now plans to dismantle the dilapidated structure brick by brick, using the materials to construct a duplex that will replicate the French Second Empire architectural style of the original building, complete with a concave mansard roof and dormer windows.


The new duplex will retain significant architectural features of the original building. (Chenier Group )

"Fits in beautifully"

The duplex is designed by Barry Podolsky, who specializes in heritage projects, and will sit next to the apartment building, facing Cobourg Street.

Ferguson said the duplex will fit in "beautifully."

"We're happy with this," he said. "This is something that he did not have to do, and he's volunteered to preserve the building."

Chenier, who moved to Ottawa from Cornwall, Ont., eight years ago, plans to move his office into one half of the newly built duplex. The other half will be rented.

"The house is a costly endeavour, and there may not be a lot of profit in that," Chenier said. "But overall in the long term, the house will be highlighted as a separate structure and it will stand out on its own."

Advice for developers

Chenier hopes the duplex will be finished by the end of 2019, and the apartment building ready for tenants by the following spring.

A re-zoning application is scheduled to go before the city's planning committee Aug. 28. It's expected to pass.

Chenier's advice to other developers is simple: "Whatever the community had planned, just go for that," he said.

Ferguson believes other builders could learn a lot from Chenier's approach.

"Listen to the community." he advised developers. "We're not there to pick fights, we're there to provide good, useful advice on how to make the project fit into the community."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/in...-development-apartments-rental-1.4797575
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Nice piece. It would be fascinating to know how the economics of this project compare to more "run of the mill" high-rise projects. We'll never know, of course ...
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2018, 12:58 AM
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So, what the hell happened to the beautiful and well-balanced brick podium we saw in last winter's renderings? Why was this project dumbed back down to fit the modernist shit mould? The February version of that podium was PERFECT. It blended in with the style and heritage of the street. It actually employed consistent brick cladding. Arrgh. It's like one step forward, three steps back.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2018, 3:05 AM
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So, what the hell happened to the beautiful and well-balanced brick podium we saw in last winter's renderings? Why was this project dumbed back down to fit the modernist shit mould? The February version of that podium was PERFECT. It blended in with the style and heritage of the street. It actually employed consistent brick cladding. Arrgh. It's like one step forward, three steps back.
I prefer the new design. I only tolerated the previous one. Rideau Street can do with some sleek, modern design.
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