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Old Posted Aug 23, 2018, 3:53 PM
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The difference though is that Ottawa shut down the backbone of its system, while the SRT is a low-usage stub line.
"Shut down" is a bit hyperbolic. Transitway routes were re-routed to varying degrees of effectiveness, but not completely abandoned.
     
     
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Maintenance flexibility is the name of the game. You need way more buffer capacity if you halve the number of cars you are operating, especially in an already small fleet. Also you need smaller pits, lifts and such in the maintenance centre.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2018, 4:00 PM
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"Shut down" is a bit hyperbolic. Transitway routes were re-routed to varying degrees of effectiveness, but not completely abandoned.
Shut down as in the Transitway itself was shut down. Service to the suburbs was maintained at levels as good if not better than before, but areas around the more central stations (St-Laurent, Cyrville, VIA, Lees and Hurdman to an extent) experienced a major service cuts.
     
     
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With the recent announcement that the Presto card allows us to use both the TTC and GO Rail for a two hour window with one fair, this is a major development. With the rapid rollout of GO RER, we will have the equivalent of a doubling of our subway service essentially, only it will be over ground and at 15 min intervals outside rush hour, 7 days/week.
Is that....fare integration?????
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2018, 5:16 PM
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OC Transpo has posted station features, layouts and area maps. The layering could seem quite confusing for anyone with a poor sense of orientation or someone who doesn't know the city well.

These can be found under "My Station" section of the website.
http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail

Here's one example from Lyon Station:





http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail/lyon
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2018, 6:39 PM
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I wish, under Doug Ford it will get built because he has a mandate to push through all of the bad ideas and plans his late brother was unable to do. Subways for the burbs and screw the core "They already have enough subways" his words.


When it comes to transit City Hall never has any balls and will say and promise anything every election time delaying transit by years or decades. Transit City was the last great plan which would have been built by now providing rapid transit to every corner of the city. The DRL could have beenin it's final planning stages by now but Rob Ford tore it up.

We should be taking the advice of non partisan experts when urban planning is involved and what ever plans are created should be stuck to and be protected. Every expert has said the DRL is the most important missing part of the TTC and building any new subways or feeder lines will only place more burden on a maxed out line. Good luck getting politicians to put the DRL in their campaign though, it doesn't win any votes outside of the core.

For what it's worth, I was told by a project manager of the Vaughan subway extension project that work on the DRL plans is currently underway. No idea how far along they are, though.

As for the whole governance issue regarding transit planning in the GTA, my hope is that we can one day put a system in place that is similar to the TFL in London. This quote from a Tricia Wood article sums it up pretty good:

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TfL doesn’t just oversee public transit (the “Tube,” buses, and river transit); it regulates the roads, licenses taxis, develops cycling infrastructure, and ensures pedestrian accessibility. One of the chief officers of TfL is a walking and cycling commissioner! All operators, public and private, fall under their purview. There are sub-regional panels with borough representatives that TfL consults with regularly.

The mayor is chair of TfL’s board. Only 40 per cent of TfL income comes from fares. The congestion charge is TfL revenue, so it funds nothing else. Twenty-five per cent of TfL income comes from various levels of government, mostly the central government—they have multi-year agreements for capital and operating funds.

To put it very simply, professionals are responsible for the operation of all mobility infrastructure, in coordination with each other, and all of this is accountable to a board and the City. The funding from the state reflects its responsibility to invest in public infrastructure, but it doesn’t turn that into interference on the specifics of projects. Because it can’t.
Bringing all transportation-related matters in the GTA under one governance umbrella whose decision-making and funding is independent of political interference is sorely needed IMO. The fragmented nature of public transit across the region is becoming a serious issue.

It's pretty ridiculous that there is virtually no fare integration between different systems. If Ottawa and Gatineau can have fare integration, there is no reason why it can't be done in the GTA.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2018, 7:14 PM
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It's pretty ridiculous that there is virtually no fare integration between different systems. If Ottawa and Gatineau can have fare integration, there is no reason why it can't be done in the GTA.
This is definitively one of the biggest issues in our GTHA transit system at this time. Anyone who needs to commute through transit to another city has to pay between $5 and $7 to go one way. That would be $10-$14 per day, which, say they were working, would cut a fair bit into their income (the GTHA card for a week of $63 isn't a flashy alternative either).


We really need to see something made so that people aren't paying the full fare for EACH municipal transit system they enter. The Go transit to TTC fare deduction is only a small step in this issue which must be region wide in order to be as efficient as possible.
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OC Transpo has posted station features, layouts and area maps. The layering could seem quite confusing for anyone with a poor sense of orientation or someone who doesn't know the city well.

These can be found under "My Station" section of the website.
http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail

Here's one example from Lyon Station:





http://www.octranspo.com/ready4rail/lyon
Full-length concourses, I never realized that was a thing, that's fantastic. I appreciate the degree of future-proofing in this line
     
     
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I understand the benefits of platform doors but I personally prefer not to have them. Simply because I like the more open feel without them and being able to see the trains approach / depart unobstructed (makes for far better video / photographic opportunities).

Also I feel that while not a huge issue in Canada, such doors will become acid etched / scratched over time by vandals and end up looking like shit.
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I understand the benefits of platform doors but I personally prefer not to have them. Simply because I like the more open feel without them and being able to see the trains approach / depart unobstructed (makes for far better video / photographic opportunities).

Also I feel that while not a huge issue in Canada, such doors will become acid etched / scratched over time by vandals and end up looking like shit.
The half-height doors used on elevated lines and also on older underground parts of Line 2 on the Shanghai Metro are a good compromise - you get the more open feel of not having the doors but with the safety of having them.

Given the crush conditions of many Shanghai metro stations at rush hour, platform screen doors are absolutely essential here, and not surprisingly every single station on the network has them.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2018, 9:23 PM
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I understand the benefits of platform doors but I personally prefer not to have them. Simply because I like the more open feel without them and being able to see the trains approach / depart unobstructed (makes for far better video / photographic opportunities).

Also I feel that while not a huge issue in Canada, such doors will become acid etched / scratched over time by vandals and end up looking like shit.
These points are fine but nonetheless, safety is more important than photo ops and I don't think we will see the issues you are referring to with the doors being vandalized. A station like Bloor Yonge and some of the stations on the Canada Line could use these based on safety alone and I hardly think anyone is gonna be vandalizing them at such busy stations.
     
     
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I can see why PSD's are not feasible on the Expo and Millenium lines, but the Canada Line could certainly benefit from them.

I'm surprised Toronto didn't include them in the Line 1 extension to Vaughn.

In the early stages of Confederation Line planning, the system was to have screen doors. The problem was that in those initial plans, the cost was underestimated (1.8 billion initial estimate) and the line overbuilt (stations nearly fully enclosed, 180 meter platforms, super deep tunnel due to what they called cross-country alignement, placement of Rideau Station).
     
     
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Question for the Calgarians out there. How long did it take to cover the C-Train Line for the Library project and was service ever interrupted? I've seen the videos, but no timeline is offered. Looks like trains keep running the entire time, but of course a time-lapse video doesn't tell the whole story.

And were the estimated costs for that part of the project ever divulged?
     
     
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Question for the Calgarians out there. How long did it take to cover the C-Train Line for the Library project and was service ever interrupted? I've seen the videos, but no timeline is offered. Looks like trains keep running the entire time, but of course a time-lapse video doesn't tell the whole story.

And were the estimated costs for that part of the project ever divulged?
I think they closed the line for two weekends? Maybe 3 or 4 top? They had the land as parking lots/empty land adjacent to the tracks, so they didn't need to drill piles from the ROW itself.

And it was part of the library project and was delivered through an arms length quasi private corporation (CMLC). $20-25 million for 135 meters.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5...art%2C+LRT+Encapsulation%2C+FINAL2_0.pdf

Another press release notes that "99% of the LRT encapsulation project was completed with the CTrain line in full service" https://www.calgarymlc.ca/news-full/2015...of-the-new-central-library-now-under-way
     
     
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I think they closed the line for two weekends? Maybe 3 or 4 top? They had the land as parking lots/empty land adjacent to the tracks, so they didn't need to drill piles from the ROW itself.

And it was part of the library project and was delivered through an arms length quasi private corporation (CMLC). $20-25 million for 135 meters.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5...art%2C+LRT+Encapsulation%2C+FINAL2_0.pdf

Another press release notes that "99% of the LRT encapsulation project was completed with the CTrain line in full service" https://www.calgarymlc.ca/news-full/2015...of-the-new-central-library-now-under-way
Thanks! The document seems to answer all the questions I had. Good stuff!

The consortium selected to re-develop LeBreton Flats (Rendez-Vous LeBreton (RVL) which includes the Senators building a new arena) wants to bury about 600 meters of the Confederation Line that currently runs on the surface.

Not quite the same project as Calgary though; LeBreton Flats is sort of a giant hole in the downtown, sinking maybe 30 feet lower than the main drags on either side. So RVL wants to build a parking garage on the entire south end of the site between the Confedetation and Albert Street, with every building sharing the same massive garage (similar to Lansdowne Park). the north end of the garage would act as one of the LRT tunnel walls. A second wall would be built on the north side of the Line and the whole thing would be topped out by a pedestrian plaza and boulevard.

It's nice to see the success of Calgary providing a good example of how such a project can be done.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/column...ne-wouldnt-cost-much-senators-group-says

Is anyone here old enough to remember how Vancouver handled such a project when the covered the Expo Line between the Dunsmuir Tunnel and Waterfront Station?
     
     
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