noirish Los Angeles

[ProphetM]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

YES! Good suggestion Tikiman. That's definitely a L at the end of the word.



Does anyone know where to find old Greyhound bus routes or timetables?

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I disagree. I think it's an A and the picture is just low resolution and badly compressed. I'm going to agree with the earlier guess that this is Santa Maria, and this board is southbound showing Santa Barbara and other cities, ending with Los Angeles. The board on the left would be northbound, mostly unreadable but I think the last entry on it is San Francisco.

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

So I think this bus depot/cafe is in Santa Maria.
Left sign:
GREYHOUND LINES
SANTA MARIA
NORTHBOUND
(3 UNREADABLE CITIES)
(1 UNREADABLE CITY) SAN FRANCISCO

Right sign:
GREYHOUND LINES
SANTA MARIA
SOUTHBOUND
SANTA BARBARA (2 UNREADABLE CITIES, including Santa Paula or Santa Monica maybe)
(1 UNREADABLE CITY) LOS ANGELES

[HossC]

While looking for pictures of the Central Manufacturing District, I found this one titled "Kantzinger [sic] Building in Downtown Los Angeles, 1934". According to the attached Examiner clipping dated September 1, 1934, "This three-story building in the central manufacturing district has just been acquired by the Edward Katzinger Company, Chicago, makers of bakery equipment and tinware."


USC Digital Library

I couldn't find an address, and after I'd spent a while looking around the area in the Googlemobile, I decided that it had probably been demolished along with so many of the other buildings. Then, while checking out GW's possible chapel on the CMDT building, I spotted a pair of matching buildings at the bottom of the picture below:

Looking southeast over Central Manufacturing District Terminal (large white building with tower), located on Loma Vista between 48th and 49th (now Vernon). The six-story terminal was built in 1923; neighboring warehouses, closely clustered together, fill the frame. Photograph dated August 5, 1955.


LAPL

I think that the two buildings were actually mirror images of each other, with one at either side of Loma Vista Avenue on District Boulevard. That's where I found them still standing, albeit in almost unrecognizable form.


GSV

The current addresses, as they appear on the buildings, are 4440 and 4500 District Boulevard. The property sites give build dates of 1925 and 1924 (they're certainly visible on the 1927 aerial that I posted recently). I think that the Kantzinger building was the one on the right (4440), which now seems to have parking on the first floor. Despite all the changes, the stonework at ground level still shows the shape of the original design.


GSV

To complete the intersection, this building once stood across the road from the two above, opposite Loma Vista Avenue. The picture is dated circa 1938.

This 1932 Canada Dry's Pacific Coast factory is located at 4501 District Boulevard in Vernon. The signs read "Canada Dry, the champagne of ginger ale." The brick and terracotta factory was replaced with a tilt-up concrete building.


LAPL

[Tourmaline]

Street renumbering?


8351 Santa Monica Blvd., "The Players Ring" theater. Featuring the Andersonville Trial. Early '60s (?)

http://tessa.lapl.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/photos/id/90441



From our friends at Cinema Treasures:http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2369


8351 Santa Monica Blvd.
http://photos.cinematreasures.org/production/photos/220254/1507263603/large.JPG?1507263603



8325 Santa Monica, as Coast Playhouse
http://photos.cinematreasures.org/production/photos/90996/1388276593/large.jpg?1388276593

[HossC]

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Street renumbering?

No, different locations. The one at 8351 Santa Monica Boulevard was just west of N Flores Street, which is now an "L"-shaped mall. From Historic Aerials, it looks like the mall was built between 1964 and 1972.

There's more information at losangelestheatres.blogspot.com and www.wehoville.com.

[GaylordWilshire]

Two different buildings...8351 was/is on the nwc of SM & Flores St, 8325 is east of the corner.... the 8300 of SM block runs from Sweetzer to Kings Rd.

The Players Ring opened in 1950 and later opened an outlet at 8325:



LAT Sept 13, 1961

[Tourmaline]

Thank you both for the clarification. Reasonably sure that the mini mall has been mentioned on NLA and it was assumed that it supplanted the theater. Sadly, the neighborhood evokes thoughts of a noirish tragedy on Sweetzer in November '63. LA BP site is not working for me at present, so it was time. Interesting that one is the "outlet" or annex for the other. Coincidentally, no more than two minutes before viewing the LAPL image, I was asked if I rememberGeorge Scott direction of the 1970 television drama of Andersonville Trial. Captain (Bill Shatner) Kirk prosecuted Admiral (Richard Basehart) Nelson. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065399/

The subject may be dark, but the lighting was anything but noir.

https://prologuepiecesofhistory.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/shatner-as-chipman2.jpg

[Scott Charles]

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Advertising food and petrol might have been a luxury for a business that probably catered to big city travelers. This might explain the lack of any Auto Wheel Cafe ads, although my search may not have been exhaustive. At a penny per word per day, the costs would ad up, especially in the '30s. There are at least 26 "Diltz" references that mention mundane events, e.g., hosting in-laws, "motoring to Santa Monica" and, many other things.

In May '37, Hubert Diltz Jr., provided a Conjeo Grammar School graduation address. https://newspaperarchive.com/oxnard-daily-courier-may-29-1937-p-4/

Grandma Diltz evidently passed away during the war and as reported on April 8, 1944, title of the property was transferred from her estate,https://newspaperarchive.com/oxnard-press-courier-apr-08-1944-p-5/

Best I can do on decaf.

Your decaf-level work is just fine, Tourmaline - thank you for the information!

It would be nice to be subscribed to that newspaper archive website. But for the amount I'd use it, it's simply too expensive.

Originally Posted by ProphetM

I am rather completely surprised that you didn't know this! Maybe I'm too involved in the roadie community to know what is common knowledge outside that group.

The US Highway system was created in 1926, and US 101 was among the original routes created upon its inception (as was US 66). They were generally composed of local roads that already existed, signed to form long routes, and then often later upgraded piecemeal to larger highways, expressways or freeways over time. North-south routes are odd-numbered with major routes ending in 1, starting with US 1 on the east coast. East-west routes are even-numbered and starting in the north. When the interstate system was established, they reversed the starting points to avoid conflicts, which is why their numbers run west-to-east and south-to-north.

The interstates replaced many US Highways, with the older roads getting truncated, eliminated, or re-designated as state highways, such as US 99 which was replaced by I-5 and became CA-99, US 91 which was replaced by I-15 and largely ceased to exist, US 66 which was replaced by I-40 and I-44 and reverted to local roads and county-numbered 66, etc.

US 101 is one of the lucky ones, having been mostly not replaced by an interstate, except south of Los Angeles where it was replaced by I-5.

I assure you, ProphetM, I could entertain you for hours on end with the stuff I don't know!

Thank you for the history lesson, though - I really should know more about the road/highway system - I guess I just never gave it much thought before.

[ethereal_reality]

I know, I know..you're all sick of seeing my travel board.

Originally Posted by ProphetM

I disagree. I think it's an A.

ProphetM, just to be clear, you think the letter to the left of the red arrow is an A? (If that's an A and not a L ...I need to have my glasses checked)


But then I remembered Handsome Strangers 'alternative' board.

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger

Here's an alternate enlarged view on the station board.



I think odinthor is correct that the first word is Santa. Santa Maria, perhaps?

I'm not sure what you did to make this an "alternate" view Handsome Stranger
but whatever it was..the letter [in question] looks like an A.

Originally Posted by ProphetM

So I think this bus depot/cafe is in Santa Maria.
Left sign:
GREYHOUND LINES
SANTA MARIA
NORTHBOUND
(3 UNREADABLE CITIES)
(1 UNREADABLE CITY) SAN FRANCISCO

Right sign:
GREYHOUND LINES
SANTA MARIA
SOUTHBOUND
SANTA BARBARA (2 UNREADABLE CITIES, including Santa Paula or Santa Monica maybe)
(1 UNREADABLE CITY) LOS ANGELES

Have anyone been to, or is familiar with, Santa Maria?

(I feel like I've been there..after all this) *wipes brow*

[rick m]

Originally Posted by odinthor

I thought the cover of the current Calendar publication for the Huntington Library might be of interest. 618 S. Spring Street, the Los Angeles Stock Exchange Building facade, 1929, Samuel E. Lunden (artist of image, Roger Hayward).


Cover, Calendar, Huntington Library, September-October, 2018.

And I assume the cops are standing by to issue jaywalking tickets to the scofflaws pictured.

The levels above the current groundfloor club were said to become apt/condos over a dozen years ago-- it's waay overdue as this block otherwise is doing very well...

[ethereal_reality]

It would be a perfect place for condos...the way it's set back from the street. (limited noise)

There's a possibility the noise from the club might effect them...but I doubt it.

One quick question rick m:

Is the club located in the actual TRADING ROOM...or is it somewhere else in the building?

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[ethereal_reality]

I thought I'd go ahead and add this photograph for newcomers to the thread. (that's the way I roll folks )

Los Angeles Stock Exchange Building [1929]


lapl

It looks like a big ol' chair for a rich fat-ass capitalist.





oops. did I say that out loud?

[Tikiman]

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Street renumbering?


8351 Santa Monica Blvd., "The Players Ring" theater. Featuring the Andersonville Trial. Early '60s (?)

http://tessa.lapl.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/photos/id/90441



From our friends at Cinema Treasures:http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2369


8351 Santa Monica Blvd.
http://photos.cinematreasures.org/production/photos/220254/1507263603/large.JPG?1507263603



8325 Santa Monica, as Coast Playhouse
http://photos.cinematreasures.org/production/photos/90996/1388276593/large.jpg?1388276593

In March 12, 1950 Marilyn Monroe passes an audition to the "Players Ring".
Photographs by Richard C. Miller. This and others found at Divine Marilyn.
http://divinemarilyn.canalblog.com/archives/2008/10/04/10828326.html#&ui-state=dialog


larger view

[KevinW]

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[BillinGlendaleCA]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

It would be a perfect place for condos...the way it's set back from the street. (limited noise)

There's a possibility the noise from the club might effect them...but I doubt it.

One quick question rick m:

Is the club located in the actual TRADING ROOM...or is it somewhere else in the building?

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I was there many, many years ago; and yes, the club was the trading floor.

[Handsome Stranger]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I'm not sure what you did to make this an "alternate" view Handsome Stranger but whatever it was..the letter [in question] looks like an A.

I used a Photoshop plugin that is supposed to do a superior job of preserving details when enlarging an image. Unfortunately we have to enlarge the image so much to see the board that some distortion happens anyway.

I've been trying to figure out how to settle whether this is in fact a photo from the Santa Maria Greyhound station. All I have discovered so far is that the current station at 400 E Boone Street is fairly new. Before that there was a "temporary" station at 755 W. Cypress Street from 2001 to late 2016. But where did it stand in the 1950s?

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks for the explanation Handsome Stranger. I don't have Photoshop so I was a bit curious.



When I first laid eyes on this photo I thought for sure I was looking at an out-take from an Ed Wood film.


weird retro facebook

That is..until I read the caption:

"A behind the scenes shot from The Black Sleep (1956), which starred Bela Lugosi in his last real role (discounting the pre-shot footage
used in Plan 9 From Outer Space). The movie also featured Tor Johnson of Plan 9 fame, seen in the photo as well." from weird retro

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS
#1
Is this the famous 'Tail O' the Cock' on La Cienega Blvd (restaurant row),
or is it the 'Tail O' the Cock in the San Fernando Valley? (in Sherman Oaks I believe)
#2
How is it that I've never heard of this movie before?
Is it a surprise to anyone else?...or am I the only one

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[Handsome Stranger]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

How is it that I've never heard of this movie before? Is it a surprise to anyone else?...or am I the only one

I'd never heard of it either until now...but I have to say I'm enchanted with the fact that the director's name is Reginald Le Borg.

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I know, I know..you're all sick of seeing my travel board.




ProphetM, just to be clear, you think the letter to the left of the red arrow is an A? (If that's an A and not a L ...I need to have my glasses checked)


But then I remembered Handsome Strangers 'alternative' board.

I'm not sure what you did to make this an "alternate" view Handsome Stranger
but whatever it was..the letter [in question] looks like an A.



Have anyone been to, or is familiar with, Santa Maria?

(I feel like I've been there..after all this) *wipes brow*

In case you missed it, that's why I posted the California map.!!! Didn't anyone see where Santa Maria is located? An obvious place for a bus stop.


Yes, I've been in Santa Maria several times.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

weird retro facebook

Is this the famous 'Tail O' the Cock' on La Cienega Blvd (restaurant row),
or is it the 'Tail O' the Cock in the San Fernando Valley? (in Sherman Oaks I believe)

Unless both restaurants had the same design, I'd say it's the one on La Cienega:


Originally from ebay

NB. I originally posted this image in post #17668, but due to ongoing problems at Photobucket, it's currently not showing (just like many other images of mine that are over 1024px wide). After receiving no reply from Photobucket's tech support for over two weeks, I emailed again on Friday. I got a pretty generic response saying, "This is a known issue affecting several users and our engineering team is troubleshooting the problem. We will get this resolved as soon as we can!" I hope it's not too long before the larger images are visible again.

[CaliNative]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I thought I'd go ahead and add this photograph for newcomers to the thread. (that's the way I roll folks )

Los Angeles Stock Exchange Building [1929]


lapl

It looks like a big ol' chair for a rich fat-ass capitalist.


oops. did I say that out loud?

Built in 1929, right before the Great Crash. Nice timing (not).