Block 23 - Page 16

nickw252 · #**301** Posted **Aug 23, 2018, 12:52 PM**

Here’s a pic from yesterday.

I agree that progress is slow but I’m not concerned. There are people on the job every day and night.

gymratmanaz · #**302** Posted **Aug 23, 2018, 2:57 PM**

I think all is well. As previously said, it is a huge area to build, with unique aspects. I was wondering if they are purposely trying to keep each part at the same height for some reason. The Frys part rose up faster at first. Are they catching the other side up to it and then move forward?

CrestedSaguaro · #**303** Posted **Aug 23, 2018, 6:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by gymratmanaz

I think all is well. As previously said, it is a huge area to build, with unique aspects. I was wondering if they are purposely trying to keep each part at the same height for some reason. The Frys part rose up faster at first. Are they catching the other side up to it and then move forward?

I myself am hoping they are taking more time with the Fry's section to secure a tenant and have reason to add a few more floors. Hey! I'm being hopeful!

ASU Diablo · #**304** Posted **Aug 23, 2018, 6:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

I myself am hoping they are taking more time with the Fry's section to secure a tenant and have reason to add a few more floors. Hey! I'm being hopeful!

This.

combusean · #**305** Posted **Aug 24, 2018, 1:42 AM**

I think this is one of Downtown's largest single-phase complexes with 1.2 million square feet under construction, parking and everything.

It'll take some time despite how short it is.

I also was also looking at the condominium plat of it and it looks very much like 13 more floors of office are programmed in. The way I'm looking at it is there could be air and development rights that could be sold off.

somethingfast · #**306** Posted **Aug 24, 2018, 2:38 AM**

Yep, clearly there is no reason why they would be halting on construction - economy is good, liquidity is there, demand is there. We're just no used to such large floorplates going up !

combusean · #**307** Posted **Aug 24, 2018, 3:07 AM**

So I was actually looking for an actual building permit for this thing and couldn't find one. There's one that might be misfiled under plumbing but I can't figure it out.

Does anyone know why that could be?

The reason I'm doing this is because the actual building permit contains square footage and valuation information that can be standardized across buildings and applied to land use calculations...which is a hint to my next project.

Sun Belt · #**308** Posted **Aug 24, 2018, 12:41 PM**

The foundation is huge for this project, right? That's usually what takes so long to go vertical. Once it's 2-3 floors above street level these things tend to take off. Those bottom levels are huge and more complex compared to the mid and upper floors.

PHXFlyer11 · #**309** Posted **Aug 24, 2018, 3:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sun Belt

The foundation is huge for this project, right? That's usually what takes so long to go vertical. Once it's 2-3 floors above street level these things tend to take off. Those bottom levels are huge and more complex compared to the mid and upper floors.

Yes. It is an entire city block. And they had to dig out an old garage before they could even begin on the new foundation.

gymratmanaz · #**310** Posted **Aug 27, 2018, 12:56 AM**

Was talking to someone who lives and works downtown. She told me she had heard from someone that they are now planning to add condos above the Frys side of the project. I checked to see if she misunderstood about the apartments on the other side. She said no, condos above Frys section..... ANYONE HEAR THE SAME????? Please be true!!!

Obadno · #**311** Posted **Aug 27, 2018, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by gymratmanaz

Was talking to someone who lives and works downtown. She told me she had heard from someone that they are now planning to add condos above the Frys side of the project. I checked to see if she misunderstood about the apartments on the other side. She said no, condos above Frys section..... ANYONE HEAR THE SAME????? Please be true!!!

I had not heard that and I wouldnt put much stock in it.

nickw252 · #**312** Posted **Aug 28, 2018, 6:03 PM**

The developer filed a Building Permit on August 8 to extend the working hours to include 8pm through 6am (this isn't the first time it's been filed). Work is not slowing down.

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Project 16-2834
PROJECT NAME: 704 - BLOCK 23
PROJECT LOCATION ADDRESS: 125 E. WASHINGTON ST.
NAME OF ON-SITE JOB SUPERINTENDENT: FRANKY REYNA
PHONE NUMBER: 602-622-0367
DATE FROM 08/10/18 DATE TO 09/08/18
DAY OF WEEK SUNDAY - SATURDAY
TIME OF DAY 8PM - 6AM

That being said, where is the elevator core for the office portion on the west side? Will the core start above the Fry's & parking garage?

PHXFlyer11 · #**313** Posted **Aug 29, 2018, 12:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by gymratmanaz

Was talking to someone who lives and works downtown. She told me she had heard from someone that they are now planning to add condos above the Frys side of the project. I checked to see if she misunderstood about the apartments on the other side. She said no, condos above Frys section..... ANYONE HEAR THE SAME????? Please be true!!!

Not true. You market condos before you even break ground, you want to secure sales ASAP. Condos are never kept a secret because they longer you have inventory you are burning cash.

biggus diggus · #**314** Posted **Aug 29, 2018, 2:51 AM**

Yes. Exactly.

nickw252 · #**315** Posted **Aug 29, 2018, 2:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

Not true. You market condos before you even break ground, you want to secure sales ASAP. Condos are never kept a secret because they longer you have inventory you are burning cash.

When I searched the building permits yesterday I didn't see any new permits to raise the west tower higher. I also doubt condos are coming.

fawd · #**316** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 5:28 PM**

Behind the Scenes video thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzt8CWCbkFs

gymratmanaz · #**317** Posted **Sep 18, 2018, 2:02 PM**

Ceiling for 5th floor (Floor for 6th floor) going in now!!!

AnthonyPHX · #**318** Posted **Sep 19, 2018, 11:12 PM**

Phoenix Business Journal has a timeline update today: (Paywall)
https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news...eal-when-to-expect-downtown-phoenix.html

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Downtown Phoenix is on track to have a grocery store by the fourth quarter of next year.

RED Development began construction on Block 23 at First and Washington streets in April 2017 and has kept on pace with the original construction timeline, said Jeff Moloznik, vice president of development at Red, during a presentation to Arizona Commercial Real Estate Women.

The development will bring a much-anticipated Fry's Food Store to downtown Phoenix, which required some creative design to accommodate food deliveries and parking.

Barry Shannahan, executive vice president of acquisitions and development at RED, said the building's ground level, which will include Fry's as well as other commercial space, had to be designed to allow a truck to drive through into an interior loading area from Washington Street, drop off goods and exit onto Jefferson Street.

However, city code only allowed loading on Second Street, so they had to get approval from the city's design review committee to build curb cuts for truck access, Moloznik said.

"Our deal hinged on something that took a great deal of effort to get the community to understand why it was important to this grocery store", he said.

The Fry's will share the ground floor with other retail and lobby space. Supporting services for the store, such as storage and employee break rooms, will be underground, and parking for customers will be above the store in a parking garage.

The store will have an elevator system separate from office and residential uses, and shopping carts will use a warehouse elevator to bring merchandise to customers' cars in the parking garage.

The apartment complex will contain roughly 330 units, mostly less than 1,000 square feet in size.

Moloznik said rents for the units will be comparable to others in the area, which rent at just above $2 per square foot. The apartment tower, the tallest part of the development, will reach 13 stories. Developers expect the apartments and office spaces to be ready for tenants by first-quarter 2020.

Downtown is seeing a surge in apartment construction with no end in sight. The Stewart, a 19-story tower under construction at McKinley Street and Central Avenue, is expected to open early next year, while work continues on a nearby 30-story project called Link PHX. Several other developments remain in the pipeline.

TL;DR: Fry's open by end of 2019, other tenants in by Q1 2020.

gymratmanaz · #**319** Posted **Sep 26, 2018, 5:21 PM**

Plain old-----I can't recall. I remember ages ago a rendering of Block 23 where there were extra floors above the Frys side, higher than the 5 or six stories. So, how tall is the Frys side, and is there a tower above it now?

Obadno · #**320** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 1:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by gymratmanaz

Plain old-----I can't recall. I remember ages ago a rendering of Block 23 where there were extra floors above the Frys side, higher than the 5 or six stories. So, how tall is the Frys side, and is there a tower above it now?

The frys side is 6 floors above the store/ parking so it will be about ~100 feet high, there was a massing some years ago where it was extended to 20 but as far as I know that was never a serious plan