Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

We're a long way off needing anything near that capacity. Even Vancouver is only now hitting 15k pphd, and they have 2.5 times the population of Ottawa

The point is, we do not need to just connect smaller trains to give a big long one. There are options.

[Reecemartin]

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[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

The current Expo Line rush hour capacity is close to 25kppdph and the individual train capacity is higher than was posted. We exceeded 15k on the Expo Line a long time ago, Canada Line and Millenium Line are both well below that but probably not for long. M-Line also can go to above 25k and Canada Maxes at 15k (though probably less in reality).

Also worth noting that the Skytrain is probably always going to be capable of higher frequency than Toronto and Ottawa even with ATO because the LIM motors used on Skytrain simply offer better acceleration and don't require "grip".

Once the M line reaches UBC, it will skyrocket.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

The current Expo Line rush hour capacity is close to 25kppdph and the individual train capacity is higher than was posted. We exceeded 15k on the Expo Line a long time ago, Canada Line and Millenium Line are both well below that but probably not for long. M-Line also can go to above 25k and Canada Maxes at 15k (though probably less in reality).

Also worth noting that the Skytrain is probably always going to be capable of higher frequency than Toronto and Ottawa even with ATO because the LIM motors used on Skytrain simply offer better acceleration and don't require "grip".

I had read differently on expo line capacity

http://cartoview.blogspot.com/2017/01/filling-expo-line.html?m=1

As for the LIM that's why i said "near skytrain". I believe the fastest possible headway is 180s on the confed line.

As for a full length train, there wasn't even trains this long 10 years ago on the market, which is why other systems in NA use dinky 29m siemens s70s coupled in 2's or 3's. So when it comes time to start replacing trains in the fleet it might be a possibility

[Reecemartin]

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[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The Toronto Rocket train is a long train that does not have doors connecting them. They are very long.

Same with the Montreal Azure. One can walk end to end. That's what I'm hoping we'll be able to have eventually. That and the elimination of the driver cab. That's one thing that is awesome about the Vancouver Skytrain; passengers can sit at the front or back window since trains have no drivers.


https://www.tripadvisor.ca/LocationPhoto...SkyTrain-Vancouver_British_Columbia.html

[sseguin]

Over the past couple weeks, we have added photos for all the stations (minus the elusive St. Laurent) to the O-Train Fans website. You can see how the stations are progressing as well as the general layouts.

Also launched yesterday afternoon is our new forum, with a focus on the O-Train. It's just starting out and you are welcome to join us in the discussions we will have there.

www.otrainfans.ca

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

The current Expo Line rush hour capacity is close to 25kppdph and the individual train capacity is higher than was posted. We exceeded 15k on the Expo Line a long time ago, Canada Line and Millenium Line are both well below that but probably not for long. M-Line also can go to above 25k and Canada Maxes at 15k (though probably less in reality).

Do you have a reference for that? The best I can find from Translink is this document dated September 2010. I it, it says:

• "As of 2009, the peak hour demand estimated at 14,600 pphpd exceeded the system capacity of 13,300 pphpd"
• "capacity is now* at 16,000 pphpd" and
• "The Expo Line suffers from a number of physical and technological constraints which prevent the system from reaching an ultimate capacity of 25,700 pphpd without targeted investments being made."

* at the time the document was written.

While I am sure that today the capacity has increased even further, especially with the introduction of Mark III trains, it would surprise me that if in 9 years they would have nearly doubled capacity. Also, I was also under the impression that to reach the ultimate capacity, they needed to run 5 car Mark II (or better yet III) trains to fully utilize their 80m platforms, but they are currently only using a 4 car configuration.

One advantage the Confederation Line has that the Expo line doesn't, is that the downtown stations are in the centre of the line, so that trains in both directions are going to/from the suburbs, almost doubling the usable capacity of the trains traveling through the downtown core.

Also worth noting that the Skytrain is probably always going to be capable of higher frequency than Toronto and Ottawa even with ATO because the LIM motors used on Skytrain simply offer better acceleration and don't require "grip".

Interesting. I was not aware of that. However, acceleration rates are mostly limited by passenger comfort and not by "grip." Skytrian might get a bit of an advantage in that regard (especially in slippery conditions) but I don't see it being a massive difference.

The biggest advantages of Linear Induction Motors are that they provide faster emergency braking and and allow steeper grades.

The biggest limitation to frequency on an ATO system is station dwell time, especially when someone holds the doors.

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by sseguin

Over the past couple weeks, we have added photos for all the stations (minus the elusive St. Laurent) to the O-Train Fans website. You can see how the stations are progressing as well as the general layouts.

Also launched yesterday afternoon is our new forum, with a focus on the O-Train. It's just starting out and you are welcome to join us in the discussions we will have there.

www.otrainfans.ca

Great website with some very detailed updates!

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by sseguin

Over the past couple weeks, we have added photos for all the stations (minus the elusive St. Laurent) to the O-Train Fans website. You can see how the stations are progressing as well as the general layouts.

Also launched yesterday afternoon is our new forum, with a focus on the O-Train. It's just starting out and you are welcome to join us in the discussions we will have there.

www.otrainfans.ca

Thanks. In a lot of ways, this is more informative and better laid out than anything the City has to offer.

Just an FYI, the St-Laurent Station mall level has been open for a few weeks.

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

So much wasted space. Alstom has a 59 meter unit available, so what's stopping them from creating a continuous 96 meter train? I get that the City will only be running a 48 meter car on weekends, but I feel that for efficiency and maintenance wise, a full single car 96 meter train would have been better.


https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1032429158884929536

The joints between the cars look a bit unfinished, are they missing some sort of additional black accordion-like covering as in the renderings? I'm not thrilled with the vast whiteness on the length of the train, it could use a bit more red ( maybe a fifth or quarter of the total surface) like in the buses. An asymmetric one red end one white end would have been interesting too, with 3 different ways they could be coupled.

[sseguin]

Thank you for the great feedback. Happy it's being well received.

Lots more content to come... stay tuned.

[Reecemartin]

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[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

The more I look the more I feel like Ottawa has some of the best wayfinding in the country, its great!

Except for an unfortunate foray into "pastel square" signage a few years ago, i think OC Transpo has always had pretty decent wayfinding signage.

[sseguin]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Would love to see a Youtube Channel!

Hi Reecemartin, we actually do have a YouTube channel, although currently there are only two videos, about the Kontinuum multimedia experience in Lyon Station from last year's Ottawa 2017 celebrations. One is a walk through (you get some interesting shots of the escalators and stairs, the platform and the Lyon/Queen kiosk exit. The other video was from the last day the show was open, reflecting on the LRT opening a year later. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJzzfzG95FxDCgeUO26FvCw

There are a few things planned as we get closer to the opening, and plenty more once it is open. There should start being videos sometime in September.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day.

FYI - For all those who have been following Councillor Keith Egli's webpage of FEDCO updates on the LRT, please be aware, as stated at the bottom of the page :

Quote:
The City’s Election-Related Resources Policy (ERRP) prohibits Members of Council who are seeking re-election in a municipal election from using their office budgets and staff for newsletters and general communications from August 23, 2018 up to and including October 22, 2018 (known as the ‘blackout period’). As a sitting Member of Council, I must adhere to the City’s ERRP, meaning that this website will not be updated during the blackout period.

UnQuote.

Now, by inquiring of his staff as to where I could find the updates on the City (physical or web, no matter which) I got in reply the 10 page August memo in PDF.

So -
1) we have no source for the September or October updates.
2) what is the general opinion of my posting the August update here in what will amount to a rather large post ?

( ? waterloowarrior ? )

Standing by.........

[waterloowarrior]

What about hosting on https://www.scribd.com/upload-document or a similar site?

[sseguin]

You could probably share it to www.otrainfans.ca on the forums. If the document isn't confidential and considered public or sharable with the media, then I don't see a problem posting it to the forums.

You can attach images but also PDF, up to 32mb.

[OCCheetos]

The City has reached an agreement with TELUS to provide cell service inside the tunnel.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...ement-for-cell-service-in-the-lrt-tunnel

Apparently I missed that this article is a year old..