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Old Posted Aug 17, 2018, 12:40 PM
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I'm hoping the ceilings above the platforms of Lyon and Parliament will be wood inlay. Otherwise, those spaces will be pretty depressing.


https://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/news/construction-update-187/

I know that's not what they showed in the original renderings, but we know the concourse levels of all downtown stations have changed and Rideau's platform level has changed significantly.

     
     
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I'm hoping the ceilings above the platforms of Lyon and Parliament will be wood inlay. Otherwise, those spaces will be pretty depressing.


https://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/news/construction-update-187/

I know that's not what they showed in the original renderings, but we know the concourse levels of all downtown stations have changed and Rideau's platform level has changed significantly.

They've never shown a more recent rendering of the platform level, and they never show the Lyon platform in the construction updates. It's like they are trying to make it a surprise
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2018, 1:54 AM
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They've never shown a more recent rendering of the platform level, and they never show the Lyon platform in the construction updates. It's like they are trying to make it a surprise
The question is, will it be a good surprise or a bad surprise?
     
     
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I think the data on geoOttawa has been updated to reflect the final track alignments on the Confederation Line (Stage 1).

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A couple of weeks ago.


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Today I visited Pimisi and uOttawa Stations and took some great photos. You can check them out at go.otrainfans.ca/snaps17d13
     
     
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Great pix! Many thanks.
     
     
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Thank you babar and sseguin! Great pictures!!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2018, 2:13 PM
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Worth re-posting from the Canada Transit thread. A little boost to our sense of pride. Don't know if I would go that far, but still pretty cool to hear.

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The Confederation Line is definitely the mass transit project of the decade in Canada IMO given the impact it will have on reshaping transit in Ottawa / adding another city to Canada's metro system list (from 3 to 4).
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I would argue that it's the best project so far in the 21st century in Canada - surpassing the Canada line.
     
     
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Worth re-posting from the Canada Transit thread. A little boost to our sense of pride. Don't know if I would go that far, but still pretty cool to hear.
Not sure I would support the 2nd statement with absolute confidence but the first one is definitely true. It's definitely the project of the decade.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2018, 1:49 PM
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Worth re-posting from the Canada Transit thread. A little boost to our sense of pride. Don't know if I would go that far, but still pretty cool to hear.
Yeah, its cool. Its great to see posters in other markets aware of its impact. I also noted the comment about Spain's metro's being so robust. I lived in Madrid and that subway was a dream. I lived 2 minute walk from 3 different lines. They have 13 lines in total and 301 stations on approx 300KM of track. This system is further fed by regional trains and LRT. Atocha was a behemoth of a station with inter-city, regional and metro.

With respect to Ottawa's confed line. It really is a game changer; much more so when phase 2 gets implemented. I'm excited to use it.
     
     
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Worth re-posting from the Canada Transit thread. A little boost to our sense of pride. Don't know if I would go that far, but still pretty cool to hear.
I wouldn't agree with the first statement either in the point of it being the 4th metro in the country. I would put it 6th since Edmonton has an 18 station LRT with 6 underground stations and Calgary's CTrain has 45 staions and over 50 Km of track and according to wiki has a daily ridership of 306000.
     
     
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I wouldn't agree with the first statement either in the point of it being the 4th metro in the country. I would put it 6th since Edmonton has an 18 station LRT with 6 underground stations and Calgary's CTrain has 45 staions and over 50 Km of track and according to wiki has a daily ridership of 306000.
Neither of those are grade-separated so they are LRTs, but not metros.
     
     
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Neither of those are grade-separated so they are LRTs, but not metros.
Most sites say that metros are almost always grade separated. Some definitions leave Vancouver and Montreal off the list as well. IMO I think it's more about moving lots of people efficiently.
     
     
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Most sites say that metros are almost always grade separated. Some definitions leave Vancouver and Montreal off the list as well. IMO I think it's more about moving lots of people efficiently.
What definition could possibly leave Montreal off the list?
     
           
     
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What definition could possibly leave Montreal off the list?
Montreal is unusual in that it uses rubber tires.
     
     
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Inspectors found problems with concrete work at LRT sites, new reports show

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: August 21, 2018


Inspectors have found a range of problems with concrete work at the city’s LRT sites, according to newly released inspection reports that offer a behind-the-scenes look at Ottawa’s biggest infrastructure project.

The problems relate to concrete pours at worksites such as unacceptable temperatures and missed durability tests, and have forced contractors to sometimes redo work or come up with workarounds.

The city finally released the 63 reports to Ken Rubin after he successfully convinced a provincial adjudicator that the records are of public interest. Rubin, an Ottawa access-to-information specialist, was originally stymied by the Rideau Transit Group, which didn’t want the city-held records released. The city, which agreed with Rubin that releasing the records wouldn’t cause harm to RTG, has the documents since RTG is its main contractor on the $2.1-billion LRT project.

The 644 pages of non-conformance reports largely detail deficiencies with concrete pouring activities around the maintenance and storage facility, stations and in the downtown tunnel.

All of the inspections were initiated by the construction contractor’s quality control team, making sure work completed by the subcontractors meets the city’s requirements and the RTG design. Non-conformance reports are standard documents in the construction industry, helping contractors and clients make sure the quality of work is up to snuff. They make sure the client — in this case the City of Ottawa — is getting the safe transit infrastructure it paid for.

There’s a huge amount of concrete going into the construction of the Confederation Line. The 2.5-kilometre tunnel alone is expected to have been built with 84,181 cubic metres of poured concrete when the work is done.

Several of the 63 released non-conformance reports signal deficiencies in concrete work.

After one concrete pour in the tunnel early in 2016, an inspector learned a load of concrete didn’t conform to the mix design, “causing significant damage to the running tunnel arch” in one area. An engineer told the builder to remove and replace the deficient concrete.

One report, generated after an inspection of Lyon station in July 2016, detailed an insufficient amount of concrete poured in three arches. According to the report, the concrete placement “was stopped due to concern of bulkhead failure after workers reported hearing timber cracking under the pressure of the concrete.” The builder indicated it would reinforce the bulkhead design.

The concrete must meet the city’s standards and contractor’s specifications if it’s going to be poured.

In June 2016, workers at Blair station added water to a concrete mix after more than half of the mix was discharged, leading to a non-conformance report.

That report is particularly eye-opening.

Maria Anna Polak, a professor in the civil and environmental engineering department at the University of Waterloo, said adding water to a concrete batch at the worksite is “an absolute no-no.”

“If you add extra water, this extra water contributes to lower strength. It contributes also to shrinkage, which means basically when the concrete hardens, it cracks,” Polak said in an interview.

In this case, the concrete was used as is. The contractor made sure the concrete passed the durability tests to satisfy the standards.

Durability tests are important parts of quality management and ultimately decide if the concrete is suitable.

On Sept. 14, 2015, 11 loads of concrete were delivered for workers to build a wall in the tunnel. A non-conformance report says seven of the loads poured didn’t meet the specifications for the mix design — although strength tests on the concrete passed the requirements. The inspector who wrote the report told the contractor to test the concrete before pouring it and reject trucks that don’t meet the specifications.

In December 2014, during a concrete pour of a wall at the access track to the maintenance and storage facility, seven concrete trucks were rejected because the air content of the concrete was off. Four other trucks also exceeded the air-content limit “and had to be used to avoid major pour interruptions and cold joints,” a report says. The concrete used in the wall passed strength tests.

The temperatures of the concrete during the pouring and curing periods — the process by which you set the concrete — were also flagged in several of the non-conformance reports. In most cases, inspectors directed the contractor to monitor the concrete for any cracking and make any necessary repairs.

In summer 2016, an inspector wrote up a deficiency report for off-temperature concrete at an overpass, noting that the subcontractor was warned about not having a temperature control plan. “However, they stated that temperature would not be an issue,” the report says.

Some reports illustrate how the contractor wasn’t able to quickly adapt to Mother Nature.

The concrete curing temperature for the new deck on the Booth Street bridge was out of whack during four unexpectedly cool evenings in May 2016. There were reports that flagged concrete poured beyond a required time threshold for discharging the mixture. In one report, the inspector noted that poured concrete was actually 23 minutes past the allowable time for pouring. Workers subsequently repaired cracks and conducted a flood test on the structure.

A few cases of poor communication also resulted in non-conformance reports.

An inspector found a cement contractor wasn’t testing the strength of the material, but the inspector also didn’t know a lab was onsite during the pour taking tests. In another case, a technician missed testing the quality of concrete during a pour at Parliament station. There was miscommunication between a field engineer and the quality control team, a report says.

RTG answered questions by email relating to the concrete work on the LRT project but said it couldn’t speak to specific non-conformance reports because they’re considered “internal corporate documents.”

The company said it “maintains a rigorous quality management system” to meet the city’s expectations, provisions of the LRT contract and international standards.

Asked specifically about concrete that goes past prescribed time limits between producing and pouring, RTG said it’s normal that quality inspectors find issues related to the product or process.

“Given the logistics of delivering and placing large volumes of concrete it is inevitable, on any project, to have some loads exceed time limits,” RTG says. “There are options in those cases, one of which is to reject the load.”

Non-conformance reports also warn about formwork — the mould for concrete — being removed too early during the curing period, wrongly installed reinforcing bars and deficiencies on girders at the Hurdman station elevated guideway.

Questionable waterproofing is another common problem in the reports.

A report from 2015 noted missing strips of membrane in Parliament and Lyon stations. The supplier was told to follow the approved drawings.

Another report that year flagged a problem with a design-required redundant “waterstop” in a construction joint at Lyon station. The work was allowed. The builder is “proceeding at their own risk of damage due to water infiltration,” the report says.

At the connecting line to the maintenance facility, an inspector found there was no waterproofing installed in areas that underwent emergency repair in 2015.

It’s in RTG’s interests to make sure the LRT system is built properly since the company also has a 30-year maintenance contract from the city.

Steve Cripps, the city’s director of O-Train construction, said the non-conformance problems were raised by RTG’s construction arm, Ottawa Light Rail Transit Constructors, which shows the builder’s quality management system is working.

“The city has reviewed the documentation provided by the Ottawa Light Rail Transit Constructors for each (non-conformance report) and is satisfied that they have conducted the appropriate due diligence,” Cripps said in an email.

The builder is scheduled to deliver the LRT system to the city by Nov. 2. It’s the second deadline after RTG couldn’t meet the previous May 2018 delivery date. The city plans to have the rail line open to passengers by the end of November, but it should have a better idea by the end of the summer if RTG will meet the new deadline.

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Old Posted Aug 21, 2018, 4:51 PM
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High-quality concrete work at big infrastructure projects save money in long-term, expert says

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Updated: August 21, 2018


Getting the concrete right at the beginning of a major project such as Ottawa’s light rail transit system will pay off in the maintenance of the infrastructure over the long-term, an expert says.

Moncef Nehdi, a Western University engineering professor with expertise in concrete technology, said the proper production and placement of concrete during construction can help to avoid expensive fix-ups.

“If you want to avoid all these headaches of repair and rehabilitation, they should produce very durable concrete to get rid of a lot of these issues,” Nehdi said.

The City of Ottawa’s LRT system is full of concrete and, as a latest release of the builder Rideau Transit Group’s non-conformance reports illustrates, sometimes the quality control team catches deficiencies. When a problem is identified, contractors and engineers must assess it and make recommendations, all of which are tracked by the city.

Nehdi stressed the importance of the quality control on any construction project.

“As engineers, our top priority in the profession is to preserve the safety and interest of the public. We don’t work for our client. We work to protect the public,” Nehdi said. “We have to make sure that structural elements can actually carry out expected load during its service life safely.”

Even something a simple as curing the concrete — the process by which you set it — requires close attention, making sure the temperature and moisture are properly managed from the first day of the pour.

“I’ve been trying to promote the idea of curing as part of the contract and assigning someone to take care of it because it’s a very good investment,” Nehdi said. “You can produce very good concrete; if you don’t cure it properly, then you don’t end up with very good concrete.”

Nehdi said thermal cracking is one risk that’s associated with not having proper concrete temperatures after pouring.

Concrete also needs to be durable to protect the encased steel reinforcements.

“I make this analogy for concrete structures to the human body,” Nehdi said. “Your skin is your first line of defence against germs and microbes. The skin of a concrete element is its first line of defence against corrosion.”

If there isn’t good quality control at the production site, there will probably be more concrete deliveries rejected at the worksite, Nehdi said.

When there’s concrete poured that doesn’t meet standards, it could require forensic engineering to assess its durability. Nehdi said sometimes the concrete needs to be replaced or strengthened, and other times the concrete is suitable to use.

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