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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 1:17 PM
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Hmm.. that's odd. I've given a couple of tips and leads to reporters myself and rarely have they severed touch with me (even when they have concluded my tips weren't that newsworthy).

What do you suspect is happening? Since I am not familiar with CoStar, I clearly don't know how they operate. Do you think they're onto something? Or are they still investigating your story? Can you open up your findings here?
There could be an embargo on CoStar reporting on HQ2. It could jeopardize relationships if they were to report it - who knows.

The same thing happen to me when I presented info about the development company building Opus Place. The reporter said no way could they do a story about the developers being a fraud even if there is evidence.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 1:27 PM
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There could be an embargo on CoStar reporting on HQ2. It could jeopardize relationships if they were to report it - who knows.

The same thing happen to me when I presented info about the development company building Opus Place. The reporter said no way could they do a story about the developers being a fraud even if there is evidence.
Sounds plausible. I think Atlanta is definitely in the final four~five. Right now, Amazon seems to be juicing out the last drop of incentives from each remaining candidate.

The Gulch story, along with Gov. Deal leading HQ2 negotiations sounds like a commitment pledge to Amazon that the government has both the willpower and firepower to close the deal. I also heard Maryland Governor Larry Hogan speak about the issue last week and it seems like they one-upped their package recently too.

Looks like Amazon's announcement is due shortly. Perhaps that's why the CoStar reporter went dark. Anyways, I remember you saying that you have definitive proof Amazon signed a Midtown office lease. Have you conclusively verified that its Amazon and not some other tech company of F500 regional office?
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 1:53 PM
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Reading between the lines ... certain signs are pointing to Atlanta ... Amazon has not chosen Atlanta.

Is that about right ?
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 2:07 PM
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Sounds plausible. I think Atlanta is definitely in the final four~five. Right now, Amazon seems to be juicing out the last drop of incentives from each remaining candidate.

The Gulch story, along with Gov. Deal leading HQ2 negotiations sounds like a commitment pledge to Amazon that the government has both the willpower and firepower to close the deal. I also heard Maryland Governor Larry Hogan speak about the issue last week and it seems like they one-upped their package recently too.

Looks like Amazon's announcement is due shortly. Perhaps that's why the CoStar reporter went dark. Anyways, I remember you saying that you have definitive proof Amazon signed a Midtown office lease. Have you conclusively verified that its Amazon and not some other tech company of F500 regional office?
I cannot post it, but I can tell you I got additional info that reconfirms my original statement.

With respect to Maryland, who the hell comes back with a better offer that is unsolicited? Right there you can tell Maryland is out of the game. Seriously the Maryland site was an old mall in the suburbs.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 2:26 PM
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Here's yet another list (from Redfin) where Atlanta comes on top amongst HQ2 finalists, as far as where residents are migrating to from expensive coastal cities...

https://www.redfin.com/blog/2018/05/denver-joins-seattle-and-san-francisco-with-outmigration.html
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 2:39 PM
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Reading between the lines ... certain signs are pointing to Atlanta ... Amazon has not chosen Atlanta.

Is that about right ?
Yes - that is how you could safely summarize the current state.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 4:36 PM
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I've felt from the beginning that Atlanta has a terrific shot at this. We've got a world class airport in a convenient location, with a direct heavy rail connection. We've got reasonable housing costs and a large, well educated workforce. Georgia is a very business friendly state in terms of taxes, tort liability and regulation. The state will no doubt offer an extremely competitive incentive package as well.

What's not to like?
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 7:33 PM
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I've felt from the beginning that Atlanta has a terrific shot at this. We've got a world class airport in a convenient location, with a direct heavy rail connection. We've got reasonable housing costs and a large, well educated workforce. Georgia is a very business friendly state in terms of taxes, tort liability and regulation. The state will no doubt offer an extremely competitive incentive package as well.

What's not to like?

Don't forget the weather
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 8:55 PM
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Don't forget the weather
Oh, yeah, there is that. But 8 months a year it's great down here!
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 10:04 PM
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If you or anyone you know thinks the handouts needed to land Amazon HQ2 are not worth it, forward them this article.

http://www.costar.com/News/Article/HQ2-Where-Amazon-Goes-Other-Companies-Follow/203463
HQ2: Where Amazon Goes, Other Companies Follow
By Rob Smith

Amazon’s Mere Presence in its Second Headquarters City Could Lead to an Entire Tech Eco-System

To measure Amazon’s impact on whatever city it selects for its second headquarters location, don't think buildings. Think people.

The draw of so many tech-savvy workers to one area can be an irresistible lure to other corporations that depend on such talent. At least 31 Fortune 500 companies now have some presence in Amazon’s home city of Seattle, up from seven in 2010, when the company moved its headquarters downtown.

In Seattle, Google is building a 600,000-square-foot, four-building campus across the street from Amazon’s headquarters. Facebook now has 1 million square feet of office space in Seattle, according to CoStar data, and Apple is gobbling up space in a downtown skyscraper nearly as fast as it comes on the market.

Expect a similar scenario to play out in HQ2, as companies will increasingly jockey for office space near Amazon. It’s all about luring top talent to areas the Brookings Institute calls "innovation districts," or tech-centric areas with anchor institutions that attract similar companies because of their proximity to top talent. Brookings cited Seattle’s South Lake Union neighborhood-- where Amazon maintains its headquarters -- as one of the country’s top such districts because of its mix of research institutions, technology companies and startups.

That "ripple effect" could transform Amazon’s HQ2 city as much as anything the company does directly, said Jon Scholes, chief executive and president of the Downtown Seattle Association.

Besides Google, Facebook and Apple, companies such as Twitter, Airbnb, Oracle and Best Buy are just a handful of businesses that opened satellite offices in Seattle largely because of Amazon.

"Any city that wants to be competitive needs to embrace what Amazon did for Seattle. They created a blueprint for economic development in the 21st century," said Scholes, who added that the company will "absolutely strengthen the tech eco-system" in whatever city it chooses to locate its second headquarters.

Amazon, the world’s biggest retailer, has said it would choose a region from among 20 finalists this year for its second headquarters in a project it estimates will generate 50,000 jobs and $5 billion in capital spending. The company has said its second headquarters will be a full equal of its Seattle footprint. It occupies 13.6 million square feet of office and industrial space in 45 buildings in the Seattle area, according to a report by San Francisco-based BuildZoom.

While the second headquarters is likely to have an outsized effect on smaller cities such as Columbus or Raleigh, NC, the report said Amazon could still have a "disproportional effect" on real estate markets in larger cities -- think New York or Chicago-- if it concentrates its offices in a small area, as it did in Seattle. The company both leases and owns its office buildings -- it occupies 20 percent of all office space in its South Lake Union neighborhood, according to CoStar data -- but will initially have to lease in its new city, reducing vacancies and driving up rents, BuildZoom said.

That’s exactly what happened in Seattle. At an average of $52.45 per square foot, commercial rents in Amazon’s South Lake Union neighborhood are the highest in the Puget Sound region, according to CoStar data. The influx of so many workers can strain the transportation system and send rent and housing prices skyrocketing. Kiplinger says the cost of living in Seattle is 49 percent above the U.S. average, and Case Shiller says housing prices rose 13 percent the past year.

Amazon may also spark a fierce war for tech talent and aggressively come after other companies’ star workers, said Ami Sarnowski, chief innovation officer at technology services firm Global 10. She estimates that Amazon will poach anywhere from 3 percent to 7 percent of top talent in its HQ2 city.

That can quickly escalate as more and more tech companies move to town.

Amazon hired 504 employees from Microsoft between 2001 and 2016, according to data from the career site Paysa, while Apple today is in the midst of a campaign in Seattle to recruit employees from Amazon and other tech companies. When Oracle opened its Seattle technology center it hired two former Amazon executives to run it.

Seattle has become a top destination for out-of-state tech workers to move, according to professional networking site LinkedIn, and Amazon’s HQ2 city should expect a similar influx of tech talent. Like in Seattle, that’s likely to drive development of high-end multifamily buildings near the company’s campus. Amazon says 20 percent of its workers live in the same ZIP code as their offices. The company’s request for proposal emphasized the need for housing near the proposed sites, which could create new opportunities for multifamily developers and investors.

While Amazon has been tight-lipped about the makeup of HQ2, it did say that the average wage of employees there would be more than $100,000 annually.

Suzanne Dale Estey, former CEO of the Economic Development Commission of Seattle & King County, urges Amazon’s HQ2 city to not underestimate a once-in-a-lifetime chance to plan for extreme growth.

"This is your opportunity to plan for a 10-, 20-, or 50-year horizon in infrastructure, affordability and civic fabric," Dale Estey said. "It will completely change that city forever."
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2018, 11:25 PM
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It appears that Amazon is negotiating with the owners of the Montgomery County, MD site:

Possible Amazon HQ2 Site in Maryland Draws Another Lawsuit

Part owners of the now-closed White Flint site reassert that Ted Lerner and another family are trying to squeeze them out.

Written by Luke Mullins | Published on August 3, 2018 in WASHINGTONIAN

https://www.washingtonian.com/2018/08/03...-site-in-maryland-draws-another-lawsuit/

“It became clear to the [the Reich family] that the [the Lerners and Abramsons] were continuing with the redevelopment and were in advanced discussions with Amazon,” Jeremy W. Schulman, a lawyer representing the Reich family, says in the complaint. The majority owners “kept the [Reich] Family in the dark about their plans.”
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2018, 1:32 AM
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And we continue to wait...
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2018, 4:23 AM
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if they choose suburban DC over just about any of the other more urban options here in downtown or in chicago/philly/boston or wherever, it's just going to be a huge womp womp womp. i mean super sad trombone, lol. (not even just for us but for all of the future amazon hq2 employees and possible spinoffs that could come with in locating in an urban district ripe for redevelopment)


i went to DC a few years ago and purposefully rode the metro to a few of the edge cities just to walk around and witness how they function - rossalyn, clarendon, arlington. something about DC's edge cities was and still is fascinating to me - as examples of how well done an edge city could possibly be. i know i'm a weirdo - i want to visit brasilia for the same reason - just to gawk. it was like an urbanish, dense version of an office park with a bit of street retail and restaurants; high level of built density but felt completely soulless. maybe i hit the wrong ones but they felt like 9-5 places.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2018, 4:33 AM
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Atlanta3000 - damn i hope you're right, but i'm not going to count on it myself - and big things are happening here anyway regardless
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2018, 6:53 AM
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This is just an observation...

There are now 5 proposed office building in Midtown, stretching from 3rd street to 17th street, and totaling more than 2.3 million square feet of speculative space.

1) 17th & W. Peachtree (MetLife) - 25 stories
2) 14th & Peachtree (Selig) - 51 stories
3) 12th & W. Peachtree (Selig) - 36 stories
4) 8th & W. Peachtree (Cousins) - 31 stories
5) 3rd & W. Peachtree (Portsman) - 23 stories (formerly planned as apartments)
All of these proposals have gone 'dark' and are damn near on page 2 of the Atlanta page, which speaks volumes on the lack of dirt being turned on each of these sites.
But we keep talking about Opus, which is obviously a hole to China.

So, why is there a resurgence in speculative office proposals in Midtown?
Do the developers know something we forumers don't?
Or, are they just blindly proposing sh*t that will never get built?
Or, are they positioning the development of their proposals to hit the market when the demand is highest?
And, why haven't we heard any "shovel-ready" movement on any of these proposals?
Are these developers waiting on some BIG announcement before they break ground?

I've never seen such interest in speculative office building in Midtown. If this were Buckhead during the late 2000's, I could understand since Buckhead was the only place outside of Atlantic Station building office towers within the city limits. And, of course, those towers in Atlantic Station were not speculative.

Any thoughts on what's holding these development from breaking ground.

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Old Posted Aug 15, 2018, 8:20 AM
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This is just an observation...

There are now 5 proposed office building in Midtown, stretching from 3rd street to 17th street, and totaling more than 2.3 million square feet of speculative space.

1) 17th & W. Peachtree (MetLife) - 25 stories
2) 14th & Peachtree (Selig) - 51 stories
3) 12th & W. Peachtree (Selig) - 36 stories
4) 8th & W. Peachtree (Cousins) - 31 stories
5) 3rd & W. Peachtree (Portsman) - 23 stories (formerly planned as apartments)
All of these proposals have gone 'dark' and are damn near on page 2 of the Atlanta page, which speaks volumes on the lack of dirt being turned on each of these sites.
But we keep talking about Opus, which is obviously a hole to China.

So, why is there a resurgence in speculative office proposals in Midtown?
Do the developers know something we forumers don't?
Or, are they just blindly proposing sh*t that will never get built?
Or, are they positioning the development of their proposals to hit the market when the demand is highest?
And, why haven't we heard any "shovel-ready" movement on any of these proposals?
Are these developers waiting on some BIG announcement before they break ground?
The answer to all of your questions is "yes."
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2018, 8:23 AM
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And we continue to wait...
I'm still 99.9% expecting an announcement next week, possibly on Monday.

This isn't going to go beyond labor day witbout at least another short list.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2018, 11:08 AM
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Suzanne Dale Estey, former CEO of the Economic Development Commission of Seattle & King County, urges Amazon’s HQ2 city to not underestimate a once-in-a-lifetime chance to plan for extreme growth.

"This is your opportunity to plan for a 10-, 20-, or 50-year horizon in infrastructure, affordability and civic fabric," Dale Estey said. "It will completely change that city forever."
this article has made me even more fearful about the prospects of amazon coming here. i do not want to completely change our city forever.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2018, 11:09 AM
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if they choose suburban DC over just about any of the other more urban options here in downtown or in chicago/philly/boston or wherever, it's just going to be a huge womp womp womp. i mean super sad trombone, lol. (not even just for us but for all of the future amazon hq2 employees and possible spinoffs that could come with in locating in an urban district ripe for redevelopment)


i went to DC a few years ago and purposefully rode the metro to a few of the edge cities just to walk around and witness how they function - rossalyn, clarendon, arlington. something about DC's edge cities was and still is fascinating to me - as examples of how well done an edge city could possibly be. i know i'm a weirdo - i want to visit brasilia for the same reason - just to gawk. it was like an urbanish, dense version of an office park with a bit of street retail and restaurants; high level of built density but felt completely soulless. maybe i hit the wrong ones but they felt like 9-5 places.
Dude you nailed it. The edge cities in DC totally feel like urban office parks. Conversely, Raleigh (Downtown) feels like a suburban office park.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2018, 11:17 AM
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this article has made me even more fearful about the prospects of amazon coming here. i do not want to completely change our city forever.
With all do respect bryantm, I think the article and you (not being mean) are being a little dramatic. HQ2 would not instantly change Atlanta. Change will occur over many years and our leaders have the ability to learn from other cities considered "innovation districts" and not make the same mistakes.
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