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Old Posted Aug 6, 2018, 2:21 PM
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The condos on 5th and in between Trinity and Neches (Austin Lofts?) can't be far off from being redeveloped either.

If the Railyard Condos are getting multiple unsolicited offers, that means every other condo building of its approximate size that isn't under a CVC is getting the same treatment. So I'd definitely include that block, if it isn't protected as historic. In fact I've had my eye on this one for awhile. Only a matter of time, IMO.

I think The ATX has good instincts about Railyards being a hotel -- just like the new Marriott, it's hard not to see the value in land that will eventually abut a convention center expansion. And honestly, even with all the new rooms coming in (Fairmont, the Marriott DT, and whatever's happening at 5th and Brazos -- also Proper, ZaZa, and The Avenue) we can still take loads more. As we've said repeatedly, we're the most compressed Texas market outside of the oil patch, and a perennially good investment. I look at it like this -- our average daily rate could be $10 less and occupancies 10% lower and we'd STILL be as good or better an investment than the Dallas or Houston markets. And of course, those markets are some of the strongest in the country for development. Really no matter what happens, Austin's still an ironclad bet for hotels.

I'm a little surprised to see Railyards on the market, as opposed to being rolled into the footprint of the new CC. The city very much wants to see any CC expansion include significant other uses, like affordable housing, commercial/retail, etc. Some of the chatter I've heard included a tower at the Railyard sites, which would help to include those elements while leaving some uninterrupted space between it and the Marriott for exhibit space (which is what we sorely need).

Anyhow, it just goes to show that everything that isn't nailed down in the CBD is up for grab. City better get its act together and get that expansion going before all those open low rise blocks are snapped up by someone else.

EDIT: PS, anyone know if the parking lot across from St. Davids, on 7th between San Jac and Trinity, is up for sale? That's another parcel I have my eye on.

EDIT2: I'd bet, too, that investors will have approached the state for the garage/chilling station on 3rd and Nueces. That parcel's probably more in play than we think it is.

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If the Railyard Condos are getting multiple unsolicited offers, that means every other condo building of its approximate size that isn't under a CVC is getting the same treatment. So I'd definitely include that block, if it isn't protected as historic. In fact I've had my eye on this one for awhile. Only a matter of time, IMO.
Posada del Rey (7th and San Antonio, behind Woodrow's) is the only other one that comes to mind at the moment. With 6 X Guadalupe going up right next door, it is probably on developers' radar now.

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I'm a little surprised to see Railyards on the market, as opposed to being rolled into the footprint of the new CC. The city very much wants to see any CC expansion include significant other uses, like affordable housing, commercial/retail, etc.
That could actually be an argument for putting themselves on the market now. They might want to get ahead of any potential eminent domain coming from a slow moving government entity. They can surely get a higher price on the open market than they would get from the city.
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The ABJ is indicating that the Railyard sites could support 1.8 million sq. ft of development in two 50+ story towers.

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/...ext-to-austin-convention-center-for.html
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Since it's both Railyard blocks, why not have the convention center expand west to encompass the east Railyard block, and then build a tower on the west Railyard block?

And, of course, we could let the engineers figure out how to put a tower above the convention center expansion, so there could be two towers, plus convention space.
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Since it's both Railyard blocks, why not have the convention center expand west to encompass the east Railyard block, and then build a tower on the west Railyard block?

And, of course, we could let the engineers figure out how to put a tower above the convention center expansion, so there could be two towers, plus convention space.
Yes... it's time also for folks to rethink the need for "Perfectly uninterrupted" space for convention centers. That is very restrictive and seems dated.
I'm sure there are good examples in this country... but I recently worked in Tokyo International Forum... it has convention space... theatre... public space.... office.... restaurants... It was rather incredible!
It's totally possible.
It's only $$ ! :-)
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Yes... it's time also for folks to rethink the need for "Perfectly uninterrupted" space for convention centers. That is very restrictive and seems dated.
It is restrictive and should (rightly) make any self-respecting urbanist cringe; but it is still absolutely the core requirement of any convention. You still need places to exhibit lots of stuff, some of which are more than a single story tall; you still need raw space that can accommodate several thousand people all at once, either in a presentation format, or a banquet, or in a faux food truck dine-around (which happens more than you might think at ACC) -- but all of which require clear sight lines for a bunch of people.
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It is restrictive and should (rightly) make any self-respecting urbanist cringe; but it is still absolutely the core requirement of any convention. You still need places to exhibit lots of stuff, some of which are more than a single story tall; you still need raw space that can accommodate several thousand people all at once, either in a presentation format, or a banquet, or in a faux food truck dine-around (which happens more than you might think at ACC) -- but all of which require clear sight lines for a bunch of people.
Yep. I get it... and I know we are both wanting something different.
... and I hate to admit I've been to those events.
But I've never actually seen an event that takes up and entire convention center where every person is required to see the same thing. Or at least rarely.
That requires and arena.
Seems like occasional groups of columns could be made to work.
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Yes... it's time also for folks to rethink the need for "Perfectly uninterrupted" space for convention centers. That is very restrictive and seems dated.
I'm sure there are good examples in this country... but I recently worked in Tokyo International Forum... it has convention space... theatre... public space.... office.... restaurants... It was rather incredible!
It's totally possible.
It's only $$ ! :-)
Big Sight is a weird example of a "better" convention center. It's a super-massive single building on a man made island far from the urban core and the only things around it are designed to support the convention center itself. It has a series of absolutely massive halls that all interconnect to the point that it is capable of hosting multiple 50K+ attendance conventions all at the same time. This works for Tokyo because it's a decentralized city and the citizens are very accustomed to long train rides to get places.

Most of the buildings in the area are hotels with a handful of office buildings only because there is a transit line that runs to the site. But it's really really far from what I would call "urban".

I think the reality of convention centers is this:

It is literally impossible to build one that doesn't destroy the street grid, suck up a large chunk of land and create a "dead" part of downtown. However, they support hotels, restaurants, bars and the airport and are a crucial part of being a business friendly city, and you really want them downtown because you need access to the hotel space and entertainment so that you are a "good" city to go to a convention at.

Columbus has a kind of nice set-up for theirs. It's not in downtown proper but close enough to get to downtown proper. And it's also near enough to a secondary entertainment district. It would be the equivalent of Austin's convention center being at the Statesman site. Kind of in a natural "dead" zone but bridges two really hot areas. Of course, it also creates it's own dead zone where Austin will be able to bridge downtown and SoCo at some point with good development.

Javitz was always in a good location on the West Side Highway, but now that the Hudson Yards project is happening it's gonna see the wrecking ball I imagine as it is now taking up what has become very valuable land.

Long story short: Convention centers are a necessary evil but there is not a real way to make them something an Urbanist would be happy with. They are by their very nature things that feel like they should exist in industrial parks on the edges of cities, but need to be downtown to draw attendees.
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A site plan was filed today for an "office building with retail and parking". The project is called "701 Rio Grande" and the address on the filing is 602 W. 7th St. This is across the street from the Seven apartment tower.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/web/permit/p...n=12000595&t_selected_propertyrsn=428174


This would be the site from Streetview, and it's not in a CVC:
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^^ Am I correct in assuming that this is just the SW corner of that lot, only replacing the building in the photo above? If so, it may have decent height to make up for the smaller footprint.
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That's the building my wife's hairdresser works at. The other address is next door, are they combining properties?
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That's the building my wife's hairdresser works at. The other address is next door, are they combining properties?
It looks like both properties are part of the project. I checked out that salon online, and it looks pretty awesome. They have an inside photo on Streetview. The office tower will have retail, so maybe they will be included.
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^^ Am I correct in assuming that this is just the SW corner of that lot, only replacing the building in the photo above? If so, it may have decent height to make up for the smaller footprint.
The other side of 7th St. where Seven is located is zoned CBD. This side of 7th is zoned DMU-CO. The DMU zoning allows for 120'. But the normal density bonus for such zoning allows for 200'. In some cases - like the 17th St. Hotel - it allows for 400'. The "CO" - conditional overlay - may interfere with the density bonus. But I'm not sure how that works. Maybe 427MM has some insight? The fact that retail is mentioned in the site plan application makes me think they will be going for a Density Bonus with Great Streets.
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So, the "Diagrams" section in Austin needs some work. The heights are all wrong and we're missing a lot of stuff.
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Code Next officially dead.

https://www.statesman.com/news/local/official-codenext-dead/6Etf3GFFCOvUC0mOqLiCIM/

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With a unanimous vote Thursday, the Austin City Council killed off the ambitious rewrite of Austin’s land-development code known as CodeNext.

The controversial project’s demise came with minimal debate as several of council members laid the blame for its failure on a convoluted process that generated widespread skepticism and criticism that ultimately doomed the years-long project.

The final cost to Austin taxpayers for outside consultants’ work on CodeNext rings up at $8,466,520, according to documents from the city’s Planning and Zoning Department.
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20 sky-scraping changes coming to Austin

Downtown's skyline has changed a lot in recent years, but the biggest buildings are still to come

By Colin Pope – Editor, Austin Business Journal
Aug 9, 2018, 10:00pm CDT

Downtown Austin is changing by the minute. Here's a recap of the bigger projects on the horizon. Some of them can only be seen in our crystal ball at this point, but a few have already started making their way toward the sky.

The biggest of them all
6 x Guadalupe would be 837 feet high — 66 stories — and the tallest building in Austin if it gets the city permits required. Go ahead, dive into the slideshow for a closer look at the renderings. It looks like a taller tower is being blocked by a smaller one, but it's actually planned as apartments and offices stacked atop each other. This promised skyscraper boasts an acre of parks in the sky, beaucoup parking and the region's highest pool.

The obvious new kid on the block
Until the previous skyscraper rises, the Independent stands tall as Austin's current high-rise king. And it just took the throne from The Austonian, which laid claim to tallest building in Austin for about eight years. That's quite a run in this town nowadays. Real estate reporter Marissa Luck and photographer Arnold Wells went to the top of the almost-complete condo tower and brought back the photos above. I don't know how much Hasbro owes the owners, but Austinites will keep the Jenga game top-of-mind forever.

And to The Republic...
... here's where it stands. This one is hot off the digital press. Renderings of The Republic were just submitted to City Hall for this tower catty-corner to the W Austin hotel and just south of Republic Square Park. The initial site plan submitted to the city for 401 W. Fourth St. calls for 711,401 square feet of office and 21,463 square feet of retail. Travis County wanted to build a new courthouse there but taxpayers weren't having it. So now Travis County has settled on a new site for our county courthouse.

A new county courthouse
Travis County is negotiating with a developer to build a new courthouse at 1700 Guadalupe St. It will house civil and family courts. A team comprised of Hunt Development Group LLC, CGL Companies, Chameleon Companies, Hensel Phelps Construction Co. and Gensler would design, develop and construct the new courthouse. The 1.46-acre site is bound by West 17th Street on the south, San Antonio Street on the west, West 18th Street on the north and Guadalupe Street on the east. It includes two surface parking lots and was once home to the Dog & Duck Pub.

70 Rainey has risen
Towering over the historic bungalows of Rainey Street, a 34-story skyscraper is taking shape — contractors expect to complete the 70 Rainey luxury condominium high-rise by the end of this year. Developer Sackman Enterprises Inc. said it has sold half of the building’s 164 condos, and it expects residents to begin moving in by early 2019.

The next tower for Rainey
The developers behind a 33-story condo tower in the Rainey Street Historic District said they plan to break ground on the project by the end of the year. Executives with Pearlstone Partners — formerly Lee Development and Construction — said the project at 48 East Ave. is fully permitted. When we last checked in four months ago, the partners were finalizing financing on the tower, estimated to cost between $140 million to $150 million to build.

More for Rainey Street?
A New York-based investment group is searching for partners to help it bring to life what would be the biggest private development in downtown Austin. McCourt Global is seeking new partners on its proposed $1 billion complex called Waller Park Place at the intersection of Red River and East Cesar Chavez streets, Real Estate Alert reports. The mega-sized mixed-use project could dramatically reshape the historic Rainey Street neighborhood, opening up space for hundreds more office workers and residents downtown. The site is across Cesar Chavez from Iron Works BBQ, right near Lady Bird Lake, and McCourt Global executives think Waller Park Place could encompass more than 3 million square feet of residential, commercial and office space — roughly the equivalent of six Frost Bank Towers on the site. The tallest tower on the tract is expected to exceed 50 stories.

And now for something completely different
The four-story Blueprint building — named that because it used to be Miller Blueprints, where all the architects used to print plans for all this stuff — is nearly done with its transformation on West Sixth Street. It will be a hub for eating and entertainment on a stretch of road already known for its nightlife. TenTen, a Japanese restaurant, is set to take the bottom floor. The second Austin-area location of The Goodnight, a combination bar-and-bowling hangout, is planned for the second floor. An upscale cocktail lounge called Mayfair is set to open on the third floor later this year. The fourth floor will be an event venue.

A big one, indeed
Indeed Inc. plans to hire 3,000 people in Austin over the next several years and has inked a major lease at this future 36-story downtown office tower. The massive expansion would make Indeed one of the largest tech employers in the Texas capital and add to its already extensive office footprint. Indeed will lease the top 10 floors of Block 71, the office tower under construction at the intersection of Sixth Street and Colorado Avenue by developer Trammell Crow Company.

The building that went boom
This is the older building demolished to make room for that glass-laden Indeed tower. We haven't had a good ol' downtown implosion since the "Intel shell" was sort of taken down in 2007.

Here's what's replacing Austin Music Hall
The Third + Shoal office tower — near The Independent, new library and Google’s tower — is being finished out now but has already raked in big-name office tenants such as Facebook and Bank of America. New York investment firm Stonepeak Infrastructure Partners took the top floor.

SXSW finds a new home
South by Southwest is building a 12-story headquarters at 1400 Lavaca St. At last check, the building will offer some of the space to other creative companies. The small site was previously occupied by the Texas Restaurant Association, which moved to I-35.

300 Colorado all booked up
Riverside Resources Corp., Ironwood Real Estate and Cousins Properties Inc. are expected to start construction soon on a skyscraper for the corner of Colorado and Third streets. The project is known as 300 Colorado Office. They want to redevelop the property, until recently a Sullivan’s Steakhouse, into a 32-story office tower with about 390,000 square feet of space. More details are here. Fourteen of the building’s 32 floors may be dedicated to parking. Parsley Energy Inc., a highly active oil driller and one of the few headquartered in Austin, announced in January it leased all of the office space.

Zaza rises
Probably in early 2019, this 24-story tower on West Fourth Street near Lavaca Street will swing open its doors. Gables Residential and Z Resorts Management will offer more than 200 apartments and more than 150 rooms via a Hotel ZaZa. Shops will line the bottom.

50 more stories here?
Another one for the Rainey Street area. There aren't renderings of this one yet, but here's the site where Genesis Real Estate plans to build an apartment tower — on the site of the vacant Villas on Town Lake condos in the center. That's Kimpton's Hotel Van Zandt on the left and Lady Bird Lake immediately behind. This one is expected to rise about 50 stories.

Have you crossed The Line?
We Austinites will likely call this the Radisson for years to come. You know, the hotel next to the Congress Avenue Bridge on First Street near Town Lake that used to have the TGI Friday's? But it's the Line Austin now, and much more refined. Beyond a complete redesign of nearly every inch of the hotel, there’s a new restaurant called Arlo Grey led by Kristen Kish, winner of season 10 of Bravo’s "Top Chef," and a new café, Alfred. A rooftop lounge called P6 is expected to open this fall with views of Town Lake — I mean Lady Bird Lake.

Speaking of new hotels
A Hilton Canopy hotel will rise on West Sixth amongst hip bars such as Star Bar, Little Woodrow's and Kung Fu Saloon. Though company officials didn’t divulge the project’s price tag, it’s estimated to cost $31 million, according to state records, and is expected to be completed by 2020.

What will become of the Statesman site?
In March, more firms were named in the plan to redevelop the home of the Austin American-Statesman newspaper. Skidmore Owings & Merrill LLP, a Chicago-based architecture and urban planning firm, has been named master planner, and CMG Landscape Architecture of San Francisco has been brought on to handle landscape architecture. A mix of offices, homes, shops and perhaps a hotel are envisioned rising on the 19-acre site — about 2.1 million square feet in all. It's one of the largest infill projects. Endeavor Real Estate Group of Austin was last year named the master developer for the Statesman site.

Plaza Saltillo — and a Whole Foods Market — rises
Endeavor won't just expand the bounds of downtown with the redevelopment of the Statesman site to the south. On the east end of downtown, the developer is building big at Plaza Saltillo, which is just east of I-35 near Fifth Street. Whole Foods Market Inc. plans to bring a 365 store. It will eat up a modest 30,000 square feet, according to the Austin American-Statesman. That's a typical size for the smaller 365 by Whole Foods Market stores opening across the country. The Plaza Saltillo District is a 10-acre site that surrounds one of Capital Metropolitan Transportation Authority's train stops.

Our new medical district
If you haven't been to the area around the Frank Erwin Center on the north side of downtown in over a year you're in for a huge shock. Except for the Erwin Center itself, it's all different due to the Dell Medical School at the University of Texas. No more tennis courts, and the parking lot that used to house all the animal trailers when the Ringling Bros. Circus came to town is now a gleaming new teaching hospital.

By Colin Pope – Editor, Austin Business Journal
Aug 9, 2018, 10:00pm CDT

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2018/08/09/20-skyscraping-changes-coming-to-austin.html
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Well I heard something lastnight from an acquaintance who works at one of the gay clubs on 4th, a manager. He let slip that there is a push by some developers to basically wipe out the rest of the Warehouse District with two towers. One would take out OCH, Sellers and Rain, the other would be across the street and would take out Fado, Cedar Street, Halycon. I really wish I had asked further questions but I'll see him again this weekend during pride so will ask for more details.

I will say here and now that the City of Austin should be wise to reign in some of this upcoming building boom. Even though this is hearsay, we are seeing highrises get closer and closer to this stretch of 4th. I'm close to saying enough with the highrises. If they can't build them on open lots (405 Colorado not withstanding even though I can't stand it and the feeling is mutual on 4th Street), or on other lots which aren't used as entertainment venues then they should just not build more. Sorry I went there and said it. I'm a highrise lover as much as the next but there is a limit to how far my love for them will go and that limit is drawing awefully close.
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I haven't really done the math, but I am pretty certain that based on the projects being planned for downtown, there may be well over 2 million square feet of new office space entering the pipeline. It was only a few years ago that developers had trouble putting together financing for quarter million square foot projects. Is the downtown office market really hot enough to absorb so much office space in the next two or three years? I guess I'd like to see most of these projects built (especially the big signature towers), but I am wondering whether there is something kind of frantic and overheated about the current development environment downtown.
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