Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Catenary

Even if we have an agreement with the mall, I'm not a fan of a situation where the only access to the station is through a private mall. The pathway to the south may exist, but it is a limited use situation.

You're right that the fare paid zone is actually very easy to implement, but it severely limits local access, and assumes everyone is either going to the mall or transferring.

Tunney's has a secondary gateline at the north west corner of the bus loop for easier access from that direction. There's no place at St. Laurent to place a structure like that, as the station is surrounded by layers of roads like an onion. The unofficial path at the east end of the station is also unlikely to be closed, if only because OC staff use it to walk to 1500 St. Laurent. At the same time, there's no room there to install a gateline either.

As others mentioned, transferring outside the fare paid area isn't a big deal, especially with PRESTO and all door boarding on most of the fleet.

If you read my entire post, you would have noticed that I suggested Thai’s they had moved the path to the side north of the tracks, they could easily had official paths from the east, west and south to the station.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by acottawa

This is getting pretty off topic, but there were 3000 vehicle related injuries in Ottawa last year.

https://ottawa.ca/en/residents/transportation-and-parking/road-safety/annual-safety-reports

and 8000 sports and recreation injuries

https://www.ottawapublichealth.ca/en/rep...ts/stateofhealth_2014_infographic_en.pdf

Falls killed 95 people last year, compared to 32 killed on the roads.

You decided to go off topic. You should have compared car driver stats to cycling, walking and bus drivers. That would have made more sense.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Catenary

Maybe the ideas you believe you are expressing, and the ideas that we hear you expressing don't match then. Because it certainly seems like you're pro personal transit, not pro transit from the messages you're posting.

That's an issue on your end, I'm afraid.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Tunney's station looks absolutely amazing! So far, I've been impressed with nearly all of the artwork throughout the system.

The only one that I've seen that I'm less than enthused about is the cartoonish bonhommes at Lyon.

And I'm not a fan of concepts for the other tunnel stations and uOttawa.

Parliament seem a bit childish looking.

Rideau is very underwhelming, with wavy glass and what seems to be a thing recycled from the Toronto subway. The "Art Gallery" theme does not come out in any way.

uOttawa's art is brought to you buy lazy artists who do the same bland (and in one case plagiarize, fitting for a University) work all over. Again, quite far from the "Innovation" theme.

This is what that pointless art setaside in capital budgets will buy you.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

And also @beechwoodbus.

It’s not just negativity, it’s outright abuse of others, particularly cyclists. It’s unfortunate, I agree with his position that urban transit should be improved. But I disagree that everyone else should be ignored in the process.

I'd like to know who's argued that "everyone else should be ignored in the process". That person sounds like a jerk.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

One of his key criticisms has been that east-end bus routes don't continue into the CBD and when they do/are planned to do, they take awkward semi-circular/heavily-left-turning paths to get there. And when OC decided to extend Route 18 into the CBD along a straight line route, what he'd always wanted, all he did was bitch that they aren't doing it for other routes too.

Yes, the classism that is evident in the way route 12 is being treated by OC Transpo is worthy of being bitched about.

For example:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/upset-vanier-bus-changes-1.4775565

[lrt's friend]

I don't think we can fully assess station art until we see it for ourselves when the system opens.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

When I went through Hurdman today, why are we not going to provide some degree of weather protection for those connecting from rail to bus? I am talking about the walkway to the bus shelters at least to keep rain and snow off of us. It seems that we are spending a fortune for weather protection for the rail line but hardly nothing for bus riders.

The design of the bus portion at Hurdman is a fail from start to finish.

I really hope that the expansion-pack stations have more rider input before the designs are finalized and concrete formworks begin, but colour me not optimistic.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Yes, the classism that is evident in the way route 12 is being treated by OC Transpo is worthy of being bitched about.

For example:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/upset-vanier-bus-changes-1.4775565

The 18 serves the most lower-class area of the city, arguably. Surpassing that of the 12.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

The 18 serves the most lower-class area of the city, arguably. Surpassing that of the 12.

Route 18 is not a high frequency route compared to Route 12. Is Overbrook neighbourhood that low class? The bigger problem is where do we lay up buses in the CBD especially when the main connection has to be the Confederation Line and not the Albert-Slater Transitway.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

The 18 serves the most lower-class area of the city, arguably. Surpassing that of the 12.

The lowest-income part of Overbrook, which yes, is served by the 18, is also that area that is within exceptionally convenient walking distance (if not walking facilities) of the St. Laurent LRT station. Basically east of Lola and south of the "royal" streets of Overbrook.

Incidentally, St-Laurent and Lees are the only two current and planned LRT stations whose 10-minute walk radiuses have, or will have, significant cachement areas of predominantly low-income residential populations.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

The lowest-income part of Overbrook, which yes, is served by the 18, is also that area that is within exceptionally convenient walking distance (if not walking facilities) of the St. Laurent LRT station. Basically east of Lola and south of the "royal" streets of Overbrook.
.

It wasn't a very nice place to walk (especially after dark) in my youth, so I don't imagine it's any nicer today.

One of my best friends lived in a nicer part of Overbrook but we had to cut through there (near the weird curve on Coventry Rd.) to get to his place from the bus stops that were on the north side of St-Laurent back then.

[rocketphish]

Would our new LRT tunnels stand up to the kind of rain Toronto got yesterday?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmN433FnIbZ

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Would our new LRT tunnels stand up to the kind of rain Toronto got yesterday?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmN433FnIbZ

The real question is, would the Dow's Lake tunnel?/s

I would hope the downtown tunnel has some kind of pump system built in.

[waterloowarrior]

re: Stormwater - Not sure about the final version, but here is a summary from the EA
http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/media/pdf/Appendix%20F_1MB.pdf

[waterloowarrior]

from last night....

[Truenorth00]

Da fuq? The tracker has gone all yellow:

http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/

I think somebody from PR is reading this forum and messing with us.

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by roger1818

If you read my entire post, you would have noticed that I suggested Thai’s they had moved the path to the side north of the tracks, they could easily had official paths from the east, west and south to the station.

I understand your idea, and don't disagree with it. A pathway out to Coventry would be nice.

I don't see how your idea creates a pathway out to St. Laurent in the east though. Going west along the path down to the lettered avenues then backtracking to St. Laurent isn't convenient.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Da fuq? The tracker has gone all yellow:

http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/

I think somebody from PR is reading this forum and messing with us.

It's not just that it's all yellow, they removed the legend explaining the colours. I think it's intentional, and they're just admitting they aren't going to keep it updated.

[Norman Bates]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

from last night....

Great shot! But where is it? I can’t seem to place it.