Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

What would I do with a car?

I am very pro-transit, obviously, as my primary means of non-pedestrian transportation.

I am very frustrated with the ongoing stupidity of design and operational choices that this city keeps making when it comes to transit, especially things which diminish the value of the network, prioritize the suburbs over the centre, maximize passenger inconvenience, and favour moving buses over moving people.

What you would do with a car is drive around and shut up about the lack that the LRT does not drop you off at your door.

From your posts, you are very pro personal transit. You are NOT very pro transit for all.

Face it, most people who work downtown live in the suburbs. To reduce the amount of personal vehicles coming into the Core, it makes sense to have good connections to the suburbs.

But, I know, you will just whine till the LRT drops you off at your front door.

[Reecemartin]

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[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

I think he makes a valid point, Hurdman, in particular, doesn't seem super well designed for the climate.

Have you ever seen Hurdman station during rush hour? I have and they correctly built Hurdman station that big so all the buses can get to each needed stop to pick up and drop off passengers.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

I think he makes a valid point, Hurdman, in particular, doesn't seem super well designed for the climate.

He also makes a valid point about urban transit suffering due to the focus on suburban commuters.

The number one reason that OC Transpo has seen falling ridership is the reduction in frequency on well-used urban routes. They are the ones that pay for themselves.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by OtrainUser

Have you ever seen Hurdman station during rush hour? I have and they correctly built Hurdman station that big so all the buses can get to each needed stop to pick up and drop off passengers.

They built the appropriate number of platforms on the north side (adjacent to the LRT), but they also built two unused platforms on the south side (west of the bus lay-by) that no one will ever use

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

They built the appropriate number of platforms on the north side (adjacent to the LRT), but they also built two unused platforms on the south side (west of the bus lay-by) that no one will ever use

That reminds me of all the unused platforms at Billings Bridge!

Perhaps once the Hurdman area is properly redeveloped they'll see some kind of use.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by phil235

He also makes a valid point about urban transit suffering due to the focus on suburban commuters.

The number one reason that OC Transpo has seen falling ridership is the reduction in frequency on well-used urban routes. They are the ones that pay for themselves.

Service reductions were city wide, whether urban or suburban but your comment is valid. We should return to the days when the main urban routes ran every 10 minutes (or better). It seems that the city would rather run 2 articulated buses in tandem when grudgingly necessary instead of actually improving frequency.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

That reminds me of all the unused platforms at Billings Bridge!

Perhaps once the Hurdman area is properly redeveloped they'll see some kind of use.

Those extra platforms dated to days when more routes ran to Billings Bridge. That was before the Southeast Transitway opened. Many routes were shortened at that point.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

They built the appropriate number of platforms on the north side (adjacent to the LRT), but they also built two unused platforms on the south side (west of the bus lay-by) that no one will ever use

They should have added 2 more stops on the south side with the amount of buses i see during rush hour. IMHO they didn't put enough stops at Hurdman station.

[Reecemartin]

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[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

I never said it was too large? I compared it to a Skytrain station (not big) negatively. The thing I was actually talking about is how the bus bays could allow for better protection akin to bus terminals in Toronto on the subway.

What they should have done is wrap the bus loop clockwise around the LRT station. This would have permitted the bus waiting area to be in a smaller footprint and given a covered waiting area under the lrt itself. There are spaces to the west and east for the buses to pass under the lrt so such a loop wouldn't have added any additional cost.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by OtrainUser

They should have added 2 more stops on the south side with the amount of buses i see during rush hour. IMHO they didn't put enough stops at Hurdman station.

The volume of buses will be less after stage 1. Also bus stops on the south side will always be awkward to get to for passengers... I hope they never install the shelters.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

What they should have done is wrap the bus loop clockwise around the LRT station. This would have permitted the bus waiting area to be in a smaller footprint and given a covered waiting area under the lrt itself. There are spaces to the west and east for the buses to pass under the lrt so such a loop wouldn't have added any additional cost.

I 100% agree with this, its too bad the city didn't have the common sense to do this. One thing you forgot to say in addition this setup would have resulted passengers waiting for buses in a shaded protected area which would have protected people from the summer heat but i guess the city doesn't care that much about our health.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

I never said it was too large? I compared it to a Skytrain station (not big) negatively. The thing I was actually talking about is how the bus bays could allow for better protection akin to bus terminals in Toronto on the subway.

The city doesn't care about climate otherwise the greenhouses that we call shelters would have a better design that allowed shade and better ventilation.

The shelters are useless most of the time. In winter they frost up so bad that you have to go out into the cold to see if your bus is coming and in the summer they heat up real quick which make it impossible to wait for a bus in there. In both cases you are better off waiting outside for the bus making the shelter useless.

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by OtrainUser

They should have added 2 more stops on the south side with the amount of buses i see during rush hour. IMHO they didn't put enough stops at Hurdman station.

I believe stop "A," closest to the station, is still missing to leave room for construction. This will be an off-only stop if I recall what I heard, and should remove the pressure from "B" and "C".

I think "E" and "F", the theoretical south side stops, are not required until post 2031 based on current projections.

[jchilds72]

I think there might have been NCC requirements that affected the layout of Hurdman station (something to do with the paths through it?).

[lrt's friend]

We need shelter more while waiting for a train running every 3 to 5 minutes. Bus riders don't matter.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Thats something I generally notice in Canada, we really seem to underinvest (outside of Toronto) in making stations actual bus terminals.

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I think stations like Hurdman are on par with Toronto's stations as bus terminals. I don't see why you think Ottawa is not comparable.

I've been going through Toronto's subway stations featured on this website. It seems an unnecessary amount of TTC's rapid transit stations have overbuilt bus loops or underground bus terminals.

I don't understand why buses can't just pick up and drop off people on each side of the street (with proper bus shelters), at subway entrances.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

What you would do with a car is drive around and shut up about the lack that the LRT does not drop you off at your door.

From your posts, you are very pro personal transit. You are NOT very pro transit for all.

One again, you are very kindly invited to not attribute words or ideas to me which I have not expressed.

Thank you for your co-operation.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by OtrainUser

Have you ever seen Hurdman station during rush hour? I have and they correctly built Hurdman station that big so all the buses can get to each needed stop to pick up and drop off passengers.

The bigness is not the issue that I have with Hurdman.

It is the bad grouping of stops, the distance between the bus platforms and the access/egress to the LRT station, the nearly-complete lack of shade at the bus platform, the poor pedestrian connectivity to the nearby river paths, and the nausea-inducing bus loop layout that I have issues with.