YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Vanzunator]

Since there has been some discussions around remote stand operations at YVR, I wanted to share a couple of picture of JAL 787 at one of the remote stands (one of the west de-ice pads - W5). Note the covered stairways, the bus in the picture is not a passenger bus, it is for the cabin crew.

[Gordon]

Are the east Remote stands in use?
When the east stands are complete is it likely that some of the Red eye Asian flights will wove to day time departures?

[CareerShow]

Anyone have the stats for air Canada’s flights this year to Europe?

[vanlaw]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Anyone have the stats for air Canada’s flights this year to Europe?

Although only anecdotal ...a family member was on AC806 to CDG this past weekend. Said the flight was not even close to full. Full rows free in economy, with most of premium economy empty. Will be interesting to see the load factors for these flights are this summer.

[nname]

Originally Posted by vanlaw

Although only anecdotal ...a family member was on AC806 to CDG this past weekend. Said the flight was not even close to full. Full rows free in economy, with most of premium economy empty. Will be interesting to see the load factors for these flights are this summer.

The stat said otherwise though.


June 2018

Domestic: 1,114,557 (+8.4%)
International: 1,258,544 (+12.0%)
- Transborder: 591,100 (+8.3%)
- Asia Pacific: 398,936 (+14.0%)
- Europe: 220,921 (+13.1%)
- Misc: 47,587 (+44.5%)
Total: 2,373,101 (+10.3%)


http://www.yvr.ca/en/about-yvr/facts-and-stats

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

The stat said otherwise though.


June 2018

Domestic: 1,114,557 (+8.4%)
International: 1,258,544 (+12.0%)
- Transborder: 591,100 (+8.3%)
- Asia Pacific: 398,936 (+14.0%)
- Europe: 220,921 (+13.1%)
- Misc: 47,587 (+44.5%)
Total: 2,373,101 (+10.3%)


http://www.yvr.ca/en/about-yvr/facts-and-stats

What’s even more impressive?
That’s 220,000 more passengers than June 2017.
YTD already up over 1,000,000 passengers. Of that increase over 635,000 is international pax.
YTD up 9.1%

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

^

Like I said, 14 new destinations in 2 years is a tad optimistic, especially with AC starting to trim down capacity to offset fuel prices.

So a bit of a long shot was given less rights than some expected, hardly warants a 'like I said'... Replace Dubai with any number of viable places. I didn't even tap the Caribbean or Mexico. Monterrey or Guadalajara are very viable, and Sunwing's new MAXs are opening up new routes in the Caribbean. Hard to say a 1xPW to Varadero or Cayo Coco is not within the realm of possibility. Hardly glamorous, but not every route is going to be a long haul world city.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Still no Turkey bilateral update. Wonder what's taking so long. That's YVR's best bet for new long haul service.

I dont think IST is YVRs best bet for new Long Haul, I think it is most certainly still from Asia, Singapore, Asiana or the like. With limited new frequencies this year Asia Pac is still up 14%, there is a lot of demand.

TK has the rights to send 3xPW and they still wont, so something's up.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

What’s even more impressive?
That’s 220,000 more passengers than June 2017.
YTD already up over 1,000,000 passengers. Of that increase over 635,000 is international pax.
YTD up 9.1%

Great numbers! I was hoping for double digits and I got it (though barely). I expect the rest of summer to hover around this high growth level then dip back down once some of the new seasonals stop for the year.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I dont think IST is YVRs best bet for new Long Haul, I think it is most certainly still from Asia, Singapore, Asiana or the like. With limited new frequencies this year Asia Pac is still up 14%, there is a lot of demand.

TK has the rights to send 3xPW and they still wont, so something's up.

They haven't sign the bilateral yet. I remember reading somewhere that they are also asking for YYZ-MEX?

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Great numbers! I was hoping for double digits and I got it (though barely). I expect the rest of summer to hover around this high growth level then dip back down once some of the new seasonals stop for the year.

That's amazing growth. Anyone think 26 million passengers this year is do-able? Have to wonder how existing facilities are coping during peak periods, though. Expansion can't come soon enough...

Originally Posted by nname

They haven't sign the bilateral yet. I remember reading somewhere that they are also asking for YYZ-MEX?

I read somewhere on airliners.net that TK was also holding out for more frequencies. 3x/week seems a bit ... paltry.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

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I dont think IST is YVRs best bet for new Long Haul, I think it is most certainly still from Asia, Singapore, Asiana or the like. With limited new frequencies this year Asia Pac is still up 14%, there is a lot of demand.

TK has the rights to send 3xPW and they still wont, so something's up.

IST is great for not only Turkey of course, but the Eastern Mediterranean, The Middle East, Central Asia.....
I heard that TK is trying to get 5x / week int YVR (which of course they'll never get) and are banging their heads on the wall trying for something they can't have. Still TK 3x / week is ok.

[CareerShow]

Is there a place one can find the PAX load factor stats for routes (as we have seen forum members post before on here)? I am curious what the statistics are for a few of AC's routes, and would like to research a touch more in depth.

[zahav]

YVR's growth of 10.3% for June is amazing, and the top of the airports reporting June (although YUL and YYC had very impressive months too of 10.2% and 9%, respectively). Don't remember a time where those 3 airports all reported such strong results at the same time.

YTD, YVR has the highest % growth in domestic (+7.2%), international non-transborder (+14.3%), total international including transborder (+10.8%), and total overall growth (+9.1%)

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

So a bit of a long shot was given less rights than some expected, hardly warants a 'like I said'... Replace Dubai with any number of viable places. I didn't even tap the Caribbean or Mexico. Monterrey or Guadalajara are very viable, and Sunwing's new MAXs are opening up new routes in the Caribbean. Hard to say a 1xPW to Varadero or Cayo Coco is not within the realm of possibility. Hardly glamorous, but not every route is going to be a long haul world city.

Sunwing already serves Varadero from Vancouver.

And Monterrey and Guadalajara are a stretch. Regardless, you still wont get to 14 new destinations in 2020. And I'm not saying that because its YVR. If ADM came out and said they aim to get 14 new destinations in 2 years, I would be typing the same thing over on the Canadian airports thread.

And btw, Liberia isn't listed in their 2018 airline and destinations list (PDF file).

Originally Posted by zahav

YVR's growth of 10.3% for June is amazing, and the top of the airports reporting June (although YUL and YYC had very impressive months too of 10.2% and 9%, respectively). Don't remember a time where those 3 airports all reported such strong results at the same time.

YTD, YVR has the highest % growth in domestic (+7.2%), international non-transborder (+14.3%), total international including transborder (+10.8%), and total overall growth (+9.1%)

Indeed, very good growth. June, July and August rarely disappoint.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

And Monterrey and Guadalajara are a stretch. Regardless, you still wont get to 14 new destinations in 2020. And I'm not saying that because its YVR. If ADM came out and said they aim to get 14 new destinations in 2 years, I would be typing the same thing over on the Canadian airports thread.

Sure you wouldn't...

You may be right on 14 exactly, but I would assume a specific number like that wasn't plucked from thin air and they they expect to get to, or damn close to, that figure.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

And btw, Liberia isn't listed in their 2018 airline and destinations list (PDF file).

You're right it isn't but their destinations list only adds up to 125, not 127, so Craig Richmond has already added it to his destination total in the article.

[thenoflyzone]

Lefty, you feeling ok?

That's twice you said I'm right in the same post.

[LeftCoaster]

One and a half, I only said you may be right on the first one.

[Johnny Aussie]

Top cargo airports for 2017 released by Stats Canada today.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=2310025401

Measured in tonnes and increase / decrease compared to 2016

YYZ 443,153 up 15.7% up 60,149
YVR 280,845 up 12.5% up 31,270
YUL 100,437 up 11.4% up 10,275
YHM 97,949 down 10.8% down 11,920
YYC 85,907 up 15.3% up 11,378
YMX 77,412 up 7.1% up 5,154
YWG 61,550 down 26.9% down 22,691
YHZ 27,793 up 4.4% up 1,162
YEG 27,113 up 4.8% up 1,241

Of course YYZ still in a league of its own but YVR is the solid second busiest air cargo market in the country.

YVR had by far the highest growth since 2013 at 44%.
YYC, YWG, YHZ and YEG fairly stagnant between 2013 and 2017.
YHM has lost some clout but YWG had a huge loss between 2016 and 2017.

Cargo was up 12.9% in June at YVR and 11.4% YTD.

[thenoflyzone]

what's the deal with YHM and YWG?

Cargojet is probably the largest cargo operator at both airports, and yet they had strong results in 2017. Increase in revenues and profits. The cause must be something else.

Maybe the US runs took a hit, what with Trump screwing the pooch. But then YMX would have been affected as well. And yet it isn't.

[osirisboy]

Yvr has 2017 listed at 313,000 tons. Why the discrepancy?

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Yvr has 2017 listed at 313,000 tons. Why the discrepancy?

Airport authority personnel count themselves as passenger and cargo every time they fly around. Helps boost the numbers....
And since most of them are full of shit, it weighs heavy ! Hence the big discrepancy !

On a more serious note, I think StatsCan doesn't have all the info from all airlines. YVRAA does.
Similar discrepancy happens with the passenger numbers. Airport authorities usually have higher numbers than StatsCan.