YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 664

thenoflyzone · #**13261** Posted **Jul 22, 2018, 2:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Miami is just a shade under 100k O&D, its the largest unserved transborder route if I recall correctly, and much higher yielding than Orlando.

Not really. You're counting FLL/MIA as one route. The two might be linked, but each airport serves a different purpose.

FLL O&D was 47,000, MIA 41,000. These are 2016 numbers. So FLL, a lower yielding market, has more pull than MIA.

The distance involved and the fact that most people want to go to FLL, explains why you don't have YVR-MIA non stop.

MCO-YVR is almost double the O&D of MIA-YVR.

trofirhen · #**13262** Posted **Jul 23, 2018, 12:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

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FLL O&D was 47,000, MIA 41,000. These are 2016 numbers. So FLL, a lower yielding market, has more pull than MIA.

The distance involved and the fact that most people want to go to FLL, explains why you don't have YVR-MIA non stop.

MCO-YVR is almost double the O&D of MIA-YVR.

But wouldn't that warrant a year-round, and not seasonal service? Or is the yield still not enough?

thenoflyzone · #**13263** Posted **Jul 25, 2018, 7:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

But wouldn't that warrant a year-round, and not seasonal service? Or is the yield still not enough?

Annual O&D numbers don't mention anything about the seasonality of a market. Just because the O&D is high doesn't mean year round non stop service can be maintained. A lot of variables at play.

LeftCoaster · #**13264** Posted **Jul 25, 2018, 8:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Not really. You're counting FLL/MIA as one route. The two might be linked, but each airport serves a different purpose.

FLL O&D was 47,000, MIA 41,000. These are 2016 numbers. So FLL, a lower yielding market, has more pull than MIA.

The distance involved and the fact that most people want to go to FLL, explains why you don't have YVR-MIA non stop.

MCO-YVR is almost double the O&D of MIA-YVR.

Sure MCO is nearly double, but much lower yielding.

YVR-MIA on its own should be enough to launch on AA, given their vast Caribbean and Latin american hub there. Add in some low yielding FLL pax, which is a whopping 35 minute drive from MIA, to fill the back and the route should be flying today.

As far as being one of the 14 I can't imagine it isn't one of the most likely.

As for the rest of the transborder I really do think AUS and PHL are just a matter of time. AUS mainly on the back of how important it is becoming in the US tech and tourism scene, and PHL because of what AA is trying to build there.

nname · #**13265** Posted **Jul 26, 2018, 5:18 AM**

Not sure if this was posted before... Aeromexico is increasing YVR-MEX to up to 19x weekly during the peak winter weeks.

Johnny Aussie · #**13266** Posted **Jul 26, 2018, 10:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Not sure if this was posted before... Aeromexico is increasing YVR-MEX to up to 19x weekly during the peak winter weeks.

Be curious how much is O&D YVR-MEX and how much is onward connections.

Must be doing well. Plenty of competition on that route now.

Hourglass · #**13267** Posted **Jul 27, 2018, 5:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Be curious how much is O&D YVR-MEX and how much is onward connections.

Must be doing well. Plenty of competition on that route now.

According to Routes Online, O&D is ~100K.

Seems to be quite a high % of connecting traffic. The AC flight is 60% point-to-point with the remainder connecting to Asia and the rest of Canada.

Johnny Aussie · #**13268** Posted **Jul 29, 2018, 7:30 AM**

Viva Aerobus will operate one of the two weekly flights to PVR on behalf of Sunwing this winter.

So not a big deal but a new airline to look out for every Saturday evening (arrives 2125) and departing on Sunday mornings (0900) on A320s.

trofirhen · #**13269** Posted **Jul 29, 2018, 3:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Viva Aerobus will operate one of the two weekly flights to PVR on behalf of Sunwing this winter.

So not a big deal but a new airline to look out for every Saturday evening (arrives 2125) and departing on Sunday mornings (0900) on A320s.

Viva Aerobus, is, I believed, based in Monterrey. Wouldn't it be great to get regulat YVR-MTY (it's a banking centre) with them, and Volaris to GDL !? Nothing like beefing up Mexico
For the moment, anyway.

Hourglass · #**13270** Posted **Jul 29, 2018, 3:31 PM**

UAE and Canada amend air service agreement:

https://www.businessamlive.com/canada-ex...eements-with-united-arab-emirates-egypt/

Don’t think this will result in EK flying to YVR. I’m guessing they would use the increased frequency to first beef up their YYZ service.

Johnny Aussie · #**13271** Posted **Jul 29, 2018, 3:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hourglass

UAE and Canada amend air service agreement:

https://www.businessamlive.com/canada-ex...eements-with-united-arab-emirates-egypt/

Don’t think this will result in EK flying to YVR. I’m guessing they would use the increased frequency to first beef up their YYZ service.

You are correct. EK won’t be flying to YVR anytime soon.

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UPDATE

Cue the whimpers, whiners and whingers....

That sure didn't take long...

Etihad increasing YYZ to 5 weekly

https://www.etihad.com/en-ae/about-us/et...airways-to-increase-frequency-to-canada/

Emirates increasing YYZ to 5 weekly

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/em...nto-five-times-a-week-starting-august-18

thenoflyzone · #**13272** Posted **Jul 30, 2018, 2:10 PM**

^

Like I said, 14 new destinations in 2 years is a tad optimistic, especially with AC starting to trim down capacity to offset fuel prices.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air-canada-fares-capacity-earnings-1.4764325

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Other Air Canada executives told analysts in a conference call Friday that the company was analyzing the potential for cutting some of its seating capacity in the fourth quarter as another response to the higher fuel prices.

Still no Turkey bilateral update. Wonder what's taking so long. That's YVR's best bet for new long haul service.

teriyaki · #**13273** Posted **Jul 30, 2018, 6:29 PM**

Emirates and Etihad increasing their schedule to 5x each makes the most sense. As much as I'd like to see another carrier added to YVR. Even if they added YVR. That'd be a twice weekly frequency, hardly a useful route and destined to be an expensive experiment for minimal benefit to the travelling public.

nname · #**13274** Posted **Jul 30, 2018, 7:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

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Like I said, 14 new destinations in 2 years is a tad optimistic, especially with AC starting to trim down capacity to offset fuel prices.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air-canada-fares-capacity-earnings-1.4764325

I think they already did for Q4... at least some of the planned frequency are reduced:

- Frequency reduction - YYZ-RSW/MIA
- Planned frequency increase cancelled - YVR-SJC, YYZ-MSY
- Planned frequency increase scaled back - YVR-SAN/DEN, YUL-MIA

Also, YVR-DEL reduced to 5x weekly for 2 weeks Nov-Dec

YVR-TPE remained 5x weekly through the entire winter (was 6x weekly Dec-Feb last year)

trofirhen · #**13275** Posted **Jul 30, 2018, 8:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

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Still no Turkey bilateral update. Wonder what's taking so long. That's YVR's best bet for new long haul service.

That's the one that has me wondering and worrying. IST would be much better than an ME3 airport, and yet Ottawa drags it heels on it. Why? Seattle will get it if YVR does not.

Johnny Aussie · #**13276** Posted **Jul 30, 2018, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

I think they already did for Q4... at least some of the planned frequency are reduced:

- Frequency reduction - YYZ-RSW/MIA
- Planned frequency increase cancelled - YVR-SJC, YYZ-MSY
- Planned frequency increase scaled back - YVR-SAN/DEN, YUL-MIA

Also, YVR-DEL reduced to 5x weekly for 2 weeks Nov-Dec

YVR-TPE remained 5x weekly through the entire winter (was 6x weekly Dec-Feb last year)

Those reductions posted on Airliners.net were filing errors. There have been no changes to those transborder routes. DEL is 6 weekly for the entire winter.

craneSpotter · #**13277** Posted **Jul 30, 2018, 8:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Viva Aerobus will operate one of the two weekly flights to PVR on behalf of Sunwing this winter.

So not a big deal but a new airline to look out for every Saturday evening (arrives 2125) and departing on Sunday mornings (0900) on A320s.

I noticed Viva Aerobus was added to the airlines that serve YYJ recently ... and I was somewhat curious .. it makes sense now.

Johnny Aussie · #**13278** Posted **Jul 30, 2018, 9:55 PM**

YVR will have a record number of flights to Latin America this upcoming winter...

For all intents and purposes this includes Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean:

WestJet 29
Air Canada 21
Sunwing 16
Aeromexico 15 (up to 19 for a couple of weeks)
Air Transat 13
Interjet 8

102 per week.

Throw in all the additional transborder sun destination flights (but yeah we did lose a couple of weekly flights to MCO) this winter and it’s going to be a very busy one.

For transborder I see HNL, OGG, KOA, LIH, SAN, PHX, LAS, SNA, PSP and MCO as sun destinations... LAX is a bit of a mix because it’s more than just a sun destination.

nname · #**13279** Posted **Jul 30, 2018, 10:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Those reductions posted on Airliners.net were filing errors. There have been no changes to those transborder routes. DEL is 6 weekly for the entire winter.

Well I don't trust that post, as the frequency he listed for AC is about half as what it should be.

But still, for instance YVR-DEN is now only 1x daily for part of Nov and Dec, and I remember it was 2x daily before?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YVR will have a record number of flights to Latin America this upcoming winter...

For all intents and purposes this includes Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean:

WestJet 29
Air Canada 21
Sunwing 16
Aeromexico 15 (up to 19 for a couple of weeks)
Air Transat 13
Interjet 8

102 per week..

Maybe Interjet will also add additional frequency like what they did last winter and this summer. I remember last winter they ran 5x weekly to MEX? And this summer is currently daily.

Johnny Aussie · #**13280** Posted **Jul 30, 2018, 11:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Well I don't trust that post, as the frequency he listed for AC is about half as what it should be.

But still, for instance YVR-DEN is now only 1x daily for part of Nov and Dec, and I remember it was 2x daily before?

Maybe Interjet will also add additional frequency like what they did last winter and this summer. I remember last winter they ran 5x weekly to MEX? And this summer is currently daily.

Pretty sure SJC, SAN and DEN were reduced late OCT to mid DEC as per normal.
YVR is still very seasonal and October/November the worst. Pretty much mirrors last winter but the increases are higher once mid December kicks in.
I’m not familiar enough with Interjet’s scheduling pattern to know when/if they increase each season.