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Old Posted Jul 26, 2018, 3:44 PM
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...even on a dedicated (but at-grade) right of way when our experience on Broadway shows that frequent, high capacity buses can serve increasing volumes up to the point at which it becomes sensible to go with grade separated rapid transit.
Dedicated right of way is important because we want people to use the buses. In order for people to use them they must for riders be some maximizing combination of 1)relatively affordable 2)fast 3)reliable

So if we can dedicate right of way in Surrey, buses directly go 2)faster and come more 3)reliably. Because they're faster and more reliable they're cheaper to operate, since costs scale more with time than with distance, and it becomes easier for Translink to support 1) through less subsidy intensive service and 2) through improved frequency.

Now, sure, Broadway (with it's rush hour transit lanes) shows that a high demand corridor with much more limited parking and higher destination density can support very high ridership even if reliability isn't that great, but Broadway doesn't even have an analog in Surrey. And if Broadway had greater bus priority it follows that it would drive even higher ridership than we see today
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2018, 11:10 PM
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Kenneth Chan now has a story about a newly released report on the cost of SkyTrain down Fraser Highway:

SkyTrain along Fraser Highway to Langley will cost $2.9 billion, says TransLink

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-fraser-highway-expo-line-extension-cost-light-rail-transit
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2018, 11:31 PM
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Kenneth Chan now has a story about a newly released report on the cost of SkyTrain down Fraser Highway:

SkyTrain along Fraser Highway to Langley will cost $2.9 billion, says TransLink

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-fraser-highway-expo-line-extension-cost-light-rail-transit
That's been out for a week
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 2:04 AM
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Kenneth Chan now has a story about a newly released report on the cost of SkyTrain down Fraser Highway:

SkyTrain along Fraser Highway to Langley will cost $2.9 billion, says TransLink

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-fraser-highway-expo-line-extension-cost-light-rail-transit
How much would LRT cost?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 2:51 AM
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How much would LRT cost?
It should be in the article - $1.9 billion
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 2:54 AM
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It should be in the article - $1.9 billion
So, for 1 billion more, you get a better transit, and one Langley wants.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 2:59 AM
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So, for 1 billion more, you get a better transit, and one Langley wants.
This. Surrey treats it as if it costs $10 billion.

When will the Township of Langley speak about this?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 4:14 AM
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This. Surrey treats it as if it costs $10 billion.

When will the Township of Langley speak about this?
City of Langley says it wants SkyTrain along Fraser Highway
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 4:35 AM
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I’m aware of that, but that’s the City of Langley voicing its preference. I’m referring to the Township of Langley, who has been quiet about its preference.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 10:04 PM
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Took a walk down the 105th Ave connector last night. It will be a very narrow road when it's all set and done. No left turn or right turn lanes from Whalley Blvd to 139 Ave.

4 way stops are going to be chokepoints if the road sees high usage.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2018, 4:25 AM
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I’m aware of that, but that’s the City of Langley voicing its preference. I’m referring to the Township of Langley, who has been quiet about its preference.

28 July 2018

Langley City Prepares for Rapid Transit Arrival

Langley British Columbia - When the first rapid transit train to connect Langley City to Surrey and the rest of the Lower Mainland arrives, about a decade from now, it will be a different Langley City in many respects, one that has made changes to best take advantage of the unique opportunity the new service represents.

That is the goal of the new vision strategy, "Langley City: Nexus of Community", which has been unanimously adopted by council.

The word Nexus was chosen to describe Langley City, as "a portal between two worlds," Fraser Valley and Metro Vancouver.

The goal of the strategy is to make the city a "key destination" on the new rail transit line and "a desired place to live for people of all ages and family units."

A long list of changes to achieve that goal are outlined in two documents, Langley City: Nexus of Community and Langley City Vision: Recommendations and Implementation Report.

Both can be downloaded from the Langley City website.

The product of extensive research and workshops, the vision strategy aims to avoid the mistake other municipalities have made by failing to get ready for rapid transit's arrival.

The Nexus documents notes communities that fail to plan ahead for rapid transit haven't done so well.

It points to the history of early SkyTrain development in Vancouver and New Westminster.

The Cambie Corridor planning is described as "reactionary rather than proactive as it took place well after construction of the Canada Line."

Redevelopment along the Expo Line has been "highly variable, over 30 years, zero redevelopment has taken place within walking distance of the 22nd Street Station while massive redevelopment has taken place around the New Westminster Station in the same city."

The wide-ranging Nexus strategy aims to avoid that fate with a "made in Langley" approach with updated regulations governing housing to encourage a bigger range of residential types in advance of rapid transit, and pre-planned projects to complement the arrival of the train.

Some of the specific proposals include making the train station planned for 203 Street more than a transportation station, with mixed-use development that forms a community hub.

It also calls for a performing arts centre described as "a cultural/entertainment facility, including a range of performance spaces", a variety of special events, "held frequently and throughout the year," restaurants with "unique and diverse menus," "niche/destination retail shops like butchers, cheese shops, "and other shops for products you just don't buy on-line, and an improved night life.

"Rapid transit is coming to Langley City in the next decade and we want to be ready." said Mayor Ted Schaffer.

"We want to drive that change."

The strategy is the product of past consultations, demographic and development research, and two workshops with participants, including Mayor and Council and experts and leaders in areas like city planning, place-making, sustainability, architecture, politics, recreation, wellness, education, technology, and lifestyle.

"We can become a magnet that attracts people based on our cornerstones of community, connection, experiences, and integration" Schaffer said.

The City strategy has been developed in response to a commitment from three levels of government to fund a new rapid transit extension to the City, a new B-Line express bus service in 2019 and fixed rail by 2028.

"We have a unique opportunity to capitalize on the new fixed rail rapid transit line that is coming to Langley City," said City Chief Administrative Officer Francis Cheung.

The Nexus documents describe a future Langley City with a variety of new mixed-use developments that offer a diversity of housing, community services, and business opportunities for residents.

It says visitors to the future Langley City will see "wine bars, craft breweries, coffee shops, specialty bakeries, food from around the world, as you walk through town you will see buskers in the centre square, children playing and dancing to the music, seniors playing cards in the shade.

Over at the arts centre you can catch a show and during intermission you admire the graduate art display in the lobby from the local university.

Downtown will be vibrant and bustling with shoppers and revelers, day and night, and entertainment will reflect our people and nature."

While the documents acknowledge the city has issues, small size, aging housing stock, householder incomes that lag behind other South Fraser municipalities, it says the municipality's "current assets are well positioned to be in greater demand a decade from now."

"The City has good bones. It is a compact municipality with an efficient infrastructure network, a distinct and walkable downtown, significant commercial and industrial sectors, and a residential sector with substantial single family and multi-family development."

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Old Posted Jul 30, 2018, 5:57 AM
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While the documents acknowledge the city has issues, small size, aging housing stock, householder incomes that lag behind other South Fraser municipalities, it says the municipality's "current assets are well positioned to be in greater demand a decade from now."

"The City has good bones. It is a compact municipality with an efficient infrastructure network, a distinct and walkable downtown, significant commercial and industrial sectors, and a residential sector with substantial single family and multi-family development."

Dan Ferguson.
That's still Langley City and not Langley Township. While I can see why Langley City is going out of their way to say 'we want Skytrain' the reality is they're tiny compared to either Langley Township or Surrey - who are going to have a much bigger say in what happens.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2018, 6:11 AM
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That's still Langley City and not Langley Township. While I can see why Langley City is going out of their way to say 'we want Skytrain' the reality is they're tiny compared to either Langley Township or Surrey - who are going to have a much bigger say in what happens.
Lots of things can change in the next 10 years. If Doug M becomes the next city mayor of Surrey, look out LRT. He is vehemently opposed to LRT. Also, the province has to help fund the project and governments change all the time. We have Skytrain type systems because that is all the government of the day would help pay for. The future for Fraser Hwy is uncertain.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2018, 4:39 PM
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Lots of things can change in the next 10 years. If Doug M becomes the next city mayor of Surrey, look out LRT. He is vehemently opposed to LRT. Also, the province has to help fund the project and governments change all the time. We have Skytrain type systems because that is all the government of the day would help pay for. The future for Fraser Hwy is uncertain.
Oh no doubt - but this was about what the Langleys are saying they want for rapid transit down Fraser Hwy and who has more push to make it happen. From Wiki (population numbers from 2016):

City of Langley
Area: 10.22 km2
Population: 25,888

Township of Langley
Area: 308.03 km2
Population: 117,285

Surrey
Area: 316.41 km2
Population: 517,887

For reference for those of us NoF:

New Westminster
Area: 15.63 km2
Population: 70,996

Do you really think that Langley City has anywhere near as much influence as either Langley Township (who haven't said anything) or Surrey (and their current LRT hype).
     
     
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Oh no doubt - but this was about what the Langleys are saying they want for rapid transit down Fraser Hwy and who has more push to make it happen. From Wiki (population numbers from 2016):

City of Langley
Area: 10.22 km2
Population: 25,888

Township of Langley
Area: 308.03 km2
Population: 117,285

Surrey
Area: 316.41 km2
Population: 517,887

For reference for those of us NoF:

New Westminster
Area: 15.63 km2
Population: 70,996

Do you really think that Langley City has anywhere near as much influence as either Langley Township (who haven't said anything) or Surrey (and their current LRT hype).
OK, that being said, if Surrey gets their way and drives LRT down Fraser Hwy, it should end at 196th street, the border to Langley. Don't force others to take something they don't want. Surrey should also fund the whole thing themselves.
     
     
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once again, we look into the future by looking at now...
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2018, 6:28 AM
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my god, people are dumb as bricks. no, wait, that is an insult to bricks since bricks at least serve a purpose to build shelters and chimneys.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2018, 9:48 PM
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69 days until Election Day is coming. Let’s see who will be the new mayor of Surrey.

A couple of months ago, when Hepner declared she’s not running for mayor, someone said he/she is heavily betting on Tom Gill to cover for Hepner, in the same way Hepner covered Dianne Watts when she left municipal office. He/she said they’ll be shocked if Tom Gill isn’t elected for mayor.
     
     
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Kenneth Chan now has a story about a newly released report on the cost of SkyTrain down Fraser Highway:

SkyTrain along Fraser Highway to Langley will cost $2.9 billion, says TransLink

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-fraser-highway-expo-line-extension-cost-light-rail-transit
Even with the 555 driving in a shared lane (HOV lane), it still makes it to lougheed in 22 minutes during rush hour. That's halfway to downtown Vancouver. With dedicated bus lanes, it's quite possible that you could have an express bus make it to Waterfront Station in 40 minutes. That would be 21 minutes faster than Skytrain, and at a small fraction of the cost of a Skytrain extension to Langley. Plus you would have way more flexibility with routing.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2018, 6:58 AM
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Even with the 555 driving in a shared lane (HOV lane), it still makes it to lougheed in 22 minutes during rush hour. That's halfway to downtown Vancouver. With dedicated bus lanes, it's quite possible that you could have an express bus make it to Waterfront Station in 40 minutes. That would be 21 minutes faster than Skytrain, and at a small fraction of the cost of a Skytrain extension to Langley. Plus you would have way more flexibility with routing.
hahahaha, that's a good one.

Last time I checked, there's no freeway that goes to downtown. :thinking:
     
     
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