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Old Posted Jul 27, 2018, 1:09 AM
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There is a huge case to be made for rail but nobody wants to under-take the extensive and long-process of actually investing infrastructure which is a shame since modern Canada, especially the West was settled based on railways...

There are several promising technologies I hope we will take a second look at including the Bombardier Jettrain which could run on existing tracks at over 200 KM/H without the need for special track or overhead wires...

But as it stands now with CP and CN milking the century old lines for every dollar of profit without actually expanding capacity, rail seems doomed...
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2018, 3:05 AM
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But as it stands now with CP and CN milking the century old lines for every dollar of profit without actually expanding capacity, rail seems doomed...
The existing lines are working fine for them, and they were there first. I see no reason why they'd think it was worth it to spend a ton of money to upgrade them.

Railways aren't shy about spending money to improve their lines when they see a payback for it. Just look at CP's Mount McDonald tunnel in the Selkirks.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 3:18 AM
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There is a huge case to be made for rail but nobody wants to under-take the extensive and long-process of actually investing infrastructure which is a shame since modern Canada, especially the West was settled based on railways...

There are several promising technologies I hope we will take a second look at including the Bombardier Jettrain which could run on existing tracks at over 200 KM/H without the need for special track or overhead wires...

But as it stands now with CP and CN milking the century old lines for every dollar of profit without actually expanding capacity, rail seems doomed...
This article says otherwise about CN expanding capacity.

MONTREAL — Canadian National will eventually double-track its busy main line between Edmonton, Alberta, and Winnipeg, Manitoba, with the pace of the capacity additions matching traffic growth.

Less than 100 miles of the 800-mile corridor is currently double iron, Chief Operating Officer Mike Cory says, not including the five sections of double-track that’s being added this year.

“Absolutely before I pass this earth I’m hoping to see the the majority of it double-track,” Cory, 56, told investors and analysts on CN’s July 24 earnings call.

Asked whether the double-tracking is a five- or 10-year plan, Cory responded: “It’s a forever plan. This is really in our breadbasket.”

The Edmonton-Winnipeg route is CN’s spine, carrying grain, potash, petrochemicals, energy-related commodities like frac sand and steel pipe, as well as intermodal traffic.

More double-track will make CN more resilient in the face of winter weather.

“It’s the toughest of weather conditions of any Class I railway,” Cory says.

The route has about 50 miles of double track between Winnipeg and Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, but efforts to continue double-tracking beyond that section stopped in the 1970s, Cory says.

CN likely will add another four or five sections of double-track to the line next summer as it anticipates continued strong traffic growth.

CN got into a capacity crunch last year when traffic came on much faster than expected and it was short of crews, locomotives, and track capacity. The railroad did not add track capacity on the line after traffic declined in 2016.

CN executives have said they won’t make that mistake again.

“We will not stop even when volume goes down,” Cory says.

“There’s not a specific timeline,” CEO Jean-Jacques Ruest says. “It’s more volume-related than anything else.”

CN has completed five track expansion projects so far this year as it ramps up capacity in Western Canada and on its route linking Winnipeg and Chicago.

The work, which will wrap up in late fall, includes more than 60 miles of double track in seven sections, 11 new or extended sidings, and investments at eight yards.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 3:34 AM
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So is CP going to stick with single tracks, or double tracks already exist on the Vancouver-Calgary segment?
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 5:29 AM
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So is CP going to stick with single tracks, or double tracks already exist on the Vancouver-Calgary segment?
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Investing over $250 million this spring and summer to build new tracks and yard capacity to efficiently handle more traffic. Work includes:

- Between Edmonton and Winnipeg: Five stretches of double track in eastern Alberta and Saskatchewan along CN’s mainline across the Prairies.

- Alberta: A new long section of double track west of Edmonton on CN’s mainline corridor to B.C. and the West Coast and new yard capacity in the Edmonton area.

- Manitoba: Yard capacity improvements.

Additional passing sidings allow trains moving in opposite directions to operate faster through the corridor.

- Northern B.C.: Four additional train sidings and two siding extensions for long trains on corridor between Prince Rupert, B.C. and Jasper, Alberta.

- Edmonton to Vancouver corridor: A siding extension north of Kamloops.
https://www.cn.ca/en/your-industry/grain/western-canada-operations-update/
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 5:36 AM
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So is CP going to stick with single tracks, or double tracks already exist on the Vancouver-Calgary segment?
CP has multiple east-west tracks through the Prarries; Winnipeg-Edmonton and Winnipeg-Calgary, they can probably stick with single track for a while.
CN and CP share track Vancouver to Kamloops giving double track service, Kamloops to Edmonton and Calgary is single track for both railways.

Perhaps CN will use the BC Rail grade more, that still leaves the section Edmonton to east of the Rockies which will be very expensive to double track.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 6:05 AM
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Like stated, they don't really need two tracks all the way, just more sidings to let trains pass each other.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 6:41 AM
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Like stated, they don't really need two tracks all the way, just more sidings to let trains pass each other.
They need more extended sidings ( 12,000 ft ) to let trains of any length pass each other. Until now, shorter trains like Via got stuck in sidings because longer trains did not fit. By this fall, that scenario should happen less often.

Maintaining double track is expensive on several levels if the train count does not support it. Edmonton east has more traffic than Edmonton west.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 1:14 PM
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They need more extended sidings ( 12,000 ft ) to let trains of any length pass each other. Until now, shorter trains like Via got stuck in sidings because longer trains did not fit. By this fall, that scenario should happen less often.

Maintaining double track is expensive on several levels if the train count does not support it. Edmonton east has more traffic than Edmonton west.
From Kamloops west, CN and CP effectively operate as a double track anyways. They share each others track in the canyon.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 2:58 PM
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From Kamloops west, CN and CP effectively operate as a double track anyways. They share each others track in the canyon.
Just west of Ashcroft there is a double crossover at a place called Basque. This is where the directional running begins and ends depending on which direction you are going.

Here is a video of the RM crossing over from CP to CN eastbound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWuyZv_NGM
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 3:07 PM
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Still the old wooden poles for the telegraph lines are up eh?
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 8:02 PM
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Still the old wooden poles for the telegraph lines are up eh?
why spend money to take them down when eventually nature will do it for you? haha.

also, CN will be double tracking their line going from the False creek Flats to the Port of Vancouver in the next 10 years I've been told. from what i have heard, they have already applied to Transport Canada.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2018, 8:23 PM
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why spend money to take them down when eventually nature will do it for you? haha.

also, CN will be double tracking their line going from the False creek Flats to the Port of Vancouver in the next 10 years I've been told. from what i have heard, they have already applied to Transport Canada.
Aren't the poles preserved with creosote or something?
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2018, 10:50 PM
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why spend money to take them down when eventually nature will do it for you? haha.

also, CN will be double tracking their line going from the False creek Flats to the Port of Vancouver in the next 10 years I've been told. from what i have heard, they have already applied to Transport Canada.
Would be cool if that also extended the Burlington northern double tracking the the Grandview Cut.
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Would be cool if that also extended the Burlington northern double tracking the the Grandview Cut.
Is there space to add a second track as well as SkyTrain?
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Would be cool if that also extended the Burlington northern double tracking the the Grandview Cut.
So true. And the Grandview Cut is there, just wasted, ready to be used for better transportation ifrastructure.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2018, 9:10 PM
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Is there space to add a second track as well as SkyTrain?
Yes, there is.
When the M-Line was built they made sure there was space to double track.
Don't know how difficult it would be, but it's doable.
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PARIS — French national rail operator, SNCF, has placed an order, worth up to $3 billion for 100 new bi-level high speed trains or TGVs with French rail engineering firm Alstom.

Billed as the "TGV of the future" by SNCF, or Avelia Horizon by their builder, the new trains will replace older single-deck TGV trains on all routes in France. Certain trainsets have been in use since 1981 when SNCF first introduced high speed rail service. The new trains use power cars at each end that are similar to the Avelia Liberty trains that Alstom is set to build for Amtrak service on the Northeast Corridor.

The first of the new French trains will enter service in 2023 and deliveries will run for the next ten years. SNCF says the $29 million price tag for each 600-seat train represents a 20-percent saving compared to the latest TGV trains it has bought, also from Alstom. Some of the trains will be delivered in a higher density configuration able to accommodate up to 740 passengers.

Reduced operating and energy costs are built into the new trains design with more aerodynamic design compared to earlier TGVs and electrical regenerative braking that puts braking energy back into the overhead catenary so the trainsets consume 30-percent less energy than the trains they will replace.

-----This is how you do HSR!!!
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2018, 3:27 AM
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only now are they getting regenerative breaking? our trolley buses had that, like what, in the 70s? it was longgggg ago.
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though most HSR trainsets these days are ordered EMU sets rather than with powercars
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