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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 5:08 PM
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Someone mentioned how close the two towers are and from certain angles you can really see it... if you are in a south-facing apartment closer to the east end of the building, it looks like parts of your apartment would be extremely visible to people in the nearby offices. Maybe it's something you'd get used to after a couple of days but it seems like the kind of thing that would be weird for the first little while.

Also, I chuckled at the TDS guy's comment about wanting offices that are nice but not too opulent so as not to make their clients ill at ease. Make it nice, but not too nice!
That’s the dilemma in every office renovation for a law firm. Clients like us to look like we’re successful, but not like we’re wasting their money. They look like they’ve done an OK job there although if the article is correct that not all lawyers are getting exterior offices, I’d wonder how that’s going over. It actually seemed to me that the problem in that building would be too little interior space, rather than a lack of window offices.

On the other point, my office looks into the penthouse of a certain condo tower. Not quite at such close quarters, but I can see a bathroom and couches. The excitement of that wears off fairly quickly.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 6:01 PM
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That’s the dilemma in every office renovation for a law firm. Clients like us to look like we’re successful, but not like we’re wasting their money. They look like they’ve done an OK job there although if the article is correct that not all lawyers are getting exterior offices, I’d wonder how that’s going over. It actually seemed to me that the problem in that building would be too little interior space, rather than a lack of window offices.
It looks like TDS went pretty hard with that design philosophy, as some of the photos make their space look very austere... the conference room in particular. The furniture looks like it wouldn't be out of place at a provincial government office in Portage la Prairie. Judging by the handful of photos provided, TDS looks like it will have the most up to date, but also the most spartan-looking offices of any of the big Winnipeg law firms.

The absence of exterior offices in some cases is becoming an odd trend with professional firms. MNP is doing the same thing in their space at TNS. The exterior offices for lawyers/accountants and corner offices for senior partners was such an embedded part of firm culture I'm a little surprised to see movement away from that.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 6:08 PM
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Saw a blip of a report on CTV News Winnipeg last night.

Something about TNS having some sort of "milestone" event.

Because I don't have a PVR and the tv I have access to only does CC when on Mute, and because the news anchor kind of mumbled the story...I didn't catch it.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 6:11 PM
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^ Probably a reference to TNS getting its first tenants... you'll see the news story and photos posted a bit earlier in this thread.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 6:11 PM
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First tenants moved in.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 6:12 PM
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ESQUIRE!!! You are too quick.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 6:13 PM
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It looks like TDS went pretty hard with that design philosophy, as some of the photos make their space look very austere... the conference room in particular. The furniture looks like it wouldn't be out of place at a provincial government office in Portage la Prairie. Judging by the handful of photos provided, TDS looks like it will have the most up to date, but also the most spartan-looking offices of any of the big Winnipeg law firms.

The absence of exterior offices in some cases is becoming an odd trend with professional firms. MNP is doing the same thing in their space at TNS. The exterior offices for lawyers/accountants and corner offices for senior partners was such an embedded part of firm culture I'm a little surprised to see movement away from that.
Lots of insurance and financial firms have done away with giving the big cheeses all the exterior space and moving to more open and flexible layouts that let everyone share the windows. GWL is currently renovating a lot of their space that way.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 6:18 PM
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ESQUIRE!!! You are too quick.
I was going to talk to a doctor about that

...oh wait, you meant my post

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Lots of insurance and financial firms have done away with giving the big cheeses all the exterior space and moving to more open and flexible layouts that let everyone share the windows. GWL is currently renovating a lot of their space that way.
I totally get it with the corporate insurance and financial firms owned by faceless shareholders and run by managers, but I'm a little surprised it's taking off in law and accounting firms where the partners call the shots.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 6:41 PM
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 6:46 PM
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Loving those angles. Has anyone walked through that area? How does it feel?

Yep, agreed. If Winnipeg's downtown was smaller in area, and there was less of a suburban office culture, I'm sure that would change the dynamics of how tall buildings got. Among other things, that are beyond my knowledge - (but someone like Wolf13 would know haha)

I spoke to someone recently who works for Man Hydro, who said it should have been several more stories taller because "space is cramped in there"

If the leasable space went down because of an expanded elevator core, wouldn't that simply mean more stories = more space?
I have a few friends that work there and say the complete opposite. Says there's tons of areas and desks with no people – and it's slowly increasing with the hiring freeze as people retire or quit.

He did point out to me, which is common everywhere now, that because it's open concept compared to the older style of individual cubicles – a lot of the longtime staff feel they have less "personal space." Said it's not cramped at all but people feel like they have less space (which is true) because it's not walled off and secluded. Personally, I'd rather not be in a box all day.

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It looks like TDS went pretty hard with that design philosophy, as some of the photos make their space look very austere... the conference room in particular. The furniture looks like it wouldn't be out of place at a provincial government office in Portage la Prairie. Judging by the handful of photos provided, TDS looks like it will have the most up to date, but also the most spartan-looking offices of any of the big Winnipeg law firms.

The absence of exterior offices in some cases is becoming an odd trend with professional firms. MNP is doing the same thing in their space at TNS. The exterior offices for lawyers/accountants and corner offices for senior partners was such an embedded part of firm culture I'm a little surprised to see movement away from that.
This trend is part of a larger (worrying) trend across all industries of companies trying to use intangible "benefits" in lieu of pay. Essentially this equality of space (and things like relaxed dress codes, flex time, etc.) is sold to employees as a real benefit, allowing employers to get away without paying them as much.

Things like a company covering you're phone really doesn't cost them that much, but people will often take it into consideration much higher than its real value in salary negotiations.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 7:02 PM
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Maybe I'm missing part of the conversation. But the TDS offices are all along the windows, for lawyers I would assume. Or maybe they're for everyone I'm not sure. But the exterior along the windows are all offices. At least that's what was on the website. Now it doesn't show any of the plans. Just whats available.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 10:56 PM
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I was under the impession that moving the offices from the windows was part of the new BMOA LEED certification program that a lot of building owners want to obtain.

Where I work as departments come up for renovations all the management offices that were by the widows have been converted to low wall cube farm and the management offices have been moved into the middle of the office area and the top 2 or so feet of those office walls have been glazed to let light in. The only things that still get a full wall are meeting rooms and that's because the walls are stuffed from top to bottom with pink insulation for sound proofing.
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Major crane work wraps up at new Winnipeg towers
Huge Liebherr mobile crane may have been tallest ever seen in city July 24, 2018
By Matt Jones

In May, the skyline of downtown Winnipeg was changed significantly with the removal of the last tower crane on site at True North Square. Phase 1 of the project, involving Tower 1 at 242 Hargrave and Tower 2 at 225 Carlton, began in January 2016. The substantial construction effort required significant crane work, with construction handled by PCL Constructors Canada Inc. and the dismantling subcontracted to Sterling Crane.

“Tower 1 topped off its structural building form in December 2017, reaching its final height of 17 storeys, and subsequently its tower crane was removed in January 2018,” says True North Real Estate Development president Jim Ludlow. “Tower 2 topped off in March 2018 at 25 storeys and its tower crane was removed in May 2018. These milestones have had a visible impact on the skyline of downtown Winnipeg, so they have been very exciting and rewarding to observe as we progress towards a new cityscape.”

PCL project manager David Enns says his company was responsible for the cast-in-place concrete structure on both towers. This involved supplying the concrete, the placing of concrete and rebar, form work, concrete pumping, and the installation of precast stairs and landings, and other material handling. For much of the heavy lifting, PCL utilized two cranes – a Liebherr 316 ECB12 and a Liebherr 316 ECH12.

“They were the best choices mostly because of the overlapping coverage,” Enns explains. “When we sized them, we made sure that it could accommodate the form work systems that we wanted to use. It was based on them working in conjunction with each other with the overlap in height and the jacking sequences, including how they would tie into the structure in order to be efficient.”

The way the cranes were staged required them to be tied into the structure, once the structure progressed past a certain height. When PCL began work on Tower 1, the timing of the construction of Tower 2 was not yet known for certain. In order to ensure that there was sufficient coverage for the full site, both tower cranes were tied to Tower 1.

“Both were top climbing tower cranes,” Enns says. “The biggest reason for that is because of the limited real estate that we had. We couldn’t afford to bring in big mobile cranes every time we needed to jack the cranes up as the structures progressed. They were able to climb themselves up, and then when we were done, they had the ability to climb themselves down prior to full dismantle.”

Preparation for the selection of tower cranes involved a detailed review to ensure the cranes had the right capacities to accommodate the required lifts and the size of the flyer cables, core forms and gang forms. They also had to reinforce the foundation walls around the tower cranes to prepare for the mobile crane load imposed on the structure during the dismantling of the tower cranes.

“It’s pretty common to see tower cranes with a couple of precast piles under the foundation, but for our tower cranes, our foundations were cast-in-place concrete raft slabs, with four caissons a piece to support them because they were freestanding fairly high right off the bat,” says Enns.

The key challenge for this job was limited space – city roads and the St. Mary’s Church bound PCL on three sides. With limited room to maneuver or stage materials, there was a constant focus on scheduling and sequencing to make sure that they had material delivered as needed.

“Otherwise, not only would the site get overrun, but the tower cranes would be so booked up that we couldn’t keep them focused on the high-priority activities,” Enns says. “They’d just be stuck moving non-critical material around all day and night.”

On both towers, Sterling Crane was subcontracted to dismantle PCL’s tower cranes following the construction.

Scott Baraschuk, branch manager for Sterling Crane in Winnipeg says that the dismantling was a very straight forward operation, however it did require the use of a very large mobile crane.

“Whatever they need, we’ll handle for them,” Baraschuk says. “In this scenario, it was the dismantling – to provide a mobile crane to dismantle their tower crane; just to provide a means of hoisting everything down. This particular one was the Liebherr LTM 1500 8.1. When we erected these towers a few years ago, the intent was to down climb the tower back to roughly 150 feet for dismantling. We now have the LTM 1500 available so I suggested we look at taking the tower at full height. This reduced the dismantle time by several days and eliminated the need to climb the tower crane down.”

The Liebherr LTM 1500 8.1 was utilized for the dismantling operations on both towers, however, it was used in two different configurations for each tower. During the dismantling for Tower 2, the crane was configured in a way that made it one of the tallest cranes ever seen in the Winnipeg skyline. Media coverage of the project claimed it was the single tallest crane ever used in the city, but Baraschuk can’t confirm that.

“I can’t say for certain, but it is certainly a contender,” he says. “It had roughly 380 feet of tip height in this configuration.”

It was an easy choice to use the Liebherr LTM 1500 for Tower 1, since it was locally available and easily capable of performing the job. Tower 2 had the same demands, but the flexibility of the 276-ft. telescopic boom was an added benefit given the site restrictions and their setup.

“We were able to maintain our setup into one city block, avoiding the closure of an intersection to build a long luffing jib. This resulted in significant time and cost savings to the customer.” Baraschuk says. “The biggest challenge is site congestion with a crane this large. When working in a downtown setting, you have got a lot of obstacles – you have public safety to be concerned about and numerous underground utilities as well.”

“We pride ourselves on having a fleet with industry leading technology and we have purchased a number of these units to capture new markets and niche jobs where you need a certain type and size of crane to perform,” adds Jeff Chernish, director of business development for Sterling Crane. “We provide efficient customer solutions similar in nature throughout Canada and we appreciate the visibility that this has brought us in Winnipeg.”

Tower 1 at 242 Hargrave Street is quickly approaching substantial completion, scheduled for the end of June 2018. It is comprised of retail and office space, and construction crews are currently focused on lobby finishes, amenity floor finishes, and mechanical, electrical, and elevator commissioning.

Tower 2 at 225 Carlton Street is scheduled to be completed a year from now. It contains some retail and office space but is predominantly comprised of residential rental suites. Construction teams are currently installing a high-performance glass curtain wall, after which internal finishes in the lobby and suites will become the focus, with an aim to welcome residents next spring.

Phase 2 of the project is a hotel and condominium complex being developed by Sutton Place Hotel & Residences. They aim to break ground this summer and be complete in 2020 or 2021.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2018, 12:12 AM
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Walked on the plaza pavement first time today at TNS.

Like that new car feeling.

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Old Posted Jul 25, 2018, 2:24 AM
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Congrats y'all! What a great project for the Peg. I'd like to say we are nearly done, but it will be another 2-2.5yrs.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2018, 3:06 AM
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^ One tower is pretty well finished and another one is getting there, but TNS has another two towers to go before it's fully built out. Judging by how long the first two took, I would expect it will probably be a similar period of time (2 to 3 years) until the entire project is finished.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2018, 4:28 AM
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The fact they still think there's a possibility phase 2 could be done in 2020 is pretty remarkable, even if it's a long shot. Will be interesting to see how they build it it as even though they are calling it Towers 3 and 4, phase 2 is really one big building.

Side note, they installed a bunch of bike racks along Hargrave, and while they're at least polished stainless, they're a different design than everywhere else in the SHED. I don't understand how this is such a struggle in this city... who is approving these decisions?
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2018, 7:20 PM
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2018, 8:27 PM
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Yup updated website. Also this one for residential.

http://www.225carlton.ca/
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