Great Canadian Skyline Thread II - Page 410

GlassCity · #**8181** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 1:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by cpnfantstk

I definitely have a new found respect for Winnipeg's downtown. I didn't know that the city has one of the largest historic districts in North America. I love a skyline full of tall but Winnipeg should pride itself in having something a bit different. I'm hoping these buildings are well preserved and protected. Oops.. I broke your quote..Wpg_Guy

I wish more people in Winnipeg thought like you!

Wpg_Guy · #**8182** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 2:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by cpnfantstk

I definitely have a new found respect for Winnipeg's downtown. I didn't know that the city has one of the largest historic districts in North America. I love a skyline full of tall but Winnipeg should pride itself in having something a bit different. I'm hoping these buildings are well preserved and protected. Oops.. I broke your quote..Wpg_Guy

A great number of them are persevered and protected, over 150, but so many have been lost some due to redevelopment but others the lot is still vacant today that creates holes in the historic districts streetscape. It's disheartening to look back and see what spectacular buildings were lost especially along Main Street and Portage Ave, they both has such grand and striking architecture, but nonetheless am very pleased with what remains today, you're correct in that it's the one thing that makes Winnipeg stand out and a little bit different than anywhere else.

Monolith · #**8183** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 2:06 AM**

City of Vancouver, with Mount Garibaldi behind by eikonologos.images, on Flickr

ssiguy · #**8184** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 5:36 AM**

Winnipeg, like all Canadian cities after WW11 lost a lot of gems but still has a great stock of beautiful buildings, intact neighbourhoods, and complete streets. Its one of the benefits of it`s very slow post WW2 growth...……..it didn't experience the wholesale destruction of whole neighbourhoods like Edm/Cal/Van did.

logan5 · #**8185** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 5:54 AM**

Calgary and edmonton have a smattering of historic buildings here and there, while Vancouver has retained whole neighbourhoods of historic areas. All due respect to Calgary, Edmonton and Winnipeg, but Vancouver is in a whole different league.

TorontoDrew · #**8186** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 1:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Monolith

City of Vancouver, with Mount Garibaldi behind by eikonologos.images, on Flickr

Amazing shot.

1ajs · #**8187** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 1:48 PM**

shappy · #**8188** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 2:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

Calgary and edmonton have a smattering of historic buildings here and there, while Vancouver has retained whole neighbourhoods of historic areas. All due respect to Calgary, Edmonton and Winnipeg, but Vancouver is in a whole different league.

I assume you’re referring to places like Chinatown and LES. In terms of mainly older residential neighbourhoods like Strathcona, curious how Winnipeg’s Wolseley or West Broadway compare.

Sonog · #**8189** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 3:00 PM**

@jefrosonic

SkahHigh · #**8190** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 3:50 PM**

Don't know if this was posted but I don't think so:

Morning in June / Matin de juin by BLEUnord, sur Flickr

MonkeyRonin · #**8191** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 4:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

Calgary and edmonton have a smattering of historic buildings here and there, while Vancouver has retained whole neighbourhoods of historic areas. All due respect to Calgary, Edmonton and Winnipeg, but Vancouver is in a whole different league.

Winnipeg was the largest city in the West until the late 20s, and it was still roughly the same size as Vancouver up until the post-war era, when Vancouver really started to boom. So I'd imagine the two cities to be fairly comparable in their stock of historic structures and neighbourhoods. Calgary & Edmonton of course, were much smaller.

someone123 · #**8192** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 4:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Winnipeg was the largest city in the West until the late 20s, and it was still roughly the same size as Vancouver up until the post-war era, when Vancouver really started to boom. So I'd imagine the two cities to be fairly comparable in their stock of historic structures and neighbourhoods. Calgary & Edmonton of course, were much smaller.

Winnipeg and Vancouver have some similar buildings and neighbourhoods.

For example, the Beatty-Pender-Cambie area has a bunch of mid-sized masonry buildings from circa 1900 that look like they could have been built in Winnipeg. Vancouver also has a lot of those lower end boom-era hotels that are common around the West. A lot of them are SROs or rooming houses today. Maybe Winnipeg has those too. The little one storey storefronts from 1900-1930 are also something I associate with Western cities.

Vancouver's a bit strange though in that some parts are ultra-gentrified (much of the heritage in those areas has been obliterated) while the Downtown Eastside is probably the roughest heavily built up downtown-type area in the whole country. The city would be much better if there were more neighbourhoods in the happy medium.

speedog · #**8193** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 6:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Winnipeg was the largest city in the West until the late 20s, and it was still roughly the same size as Vancouver up until the post-war era, when Vancouver really started to boom. So I'd imagine the two cities to be fairly comparable in their stock of historic structures and neighbourhoods. Calgary & Edmonton of course, were much smaller.

2016 federal census...

City of Vancouver 631,486
City of Winnipeg 705,244
City of Edmonton 932,546
City of Calgary 1,239,220

craner · #**8194** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 6:59 PM**

^.... so you want us to start referring to metro populations then - is that the point you're trying to make ?

MonkeyRonin · #**8195** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 7:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by speedog

2016 federal census...

City of Vancouver 631,486
City of Winnipeg 705,244
City of Edmonton 932,546
City of Calgary 1,239,220

Okay? I'm not sure what 2016 municipal populations of those 4 cities have to do with the historical building stock of Western cities. This is the relevant data - as measured by municipal populations, since metro areas weren't really a thing and don't have reliable stats from that era:

1901
Winnipeg: 42,540
Vancouver: 26,133
Calgary: 4,091
Edmonton: 2,626

1921
Winnipeg: 179,097
Vancouver: 117,217
Calgary: 63,305
Edmonton: 58,821

1931
Vancouver: 275,353
Winnipeg: 218,785
Calgary: 83,761
Edmonton: 79,197

1941
Vancouver: 275,353
Winnipeg: 221,969
Edmonton: 93,817
Calgary: 88,904

1951
Vancouver: 344,833
Winnipeg: 235,710
Edmonton: 159,631
Calgary: 129,060

LeftCoaster · #**8196** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 7:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Okay? I'm not sure what 2016 municipal populations of those 4 cities have to do with the historical building stock of Western cities. This is the relevant data - as measured by municipal populations, since metro areas weren't really a thing and don't have reliable stats from that era:

He has a strange obsession with the difference between a City and a CMA and doesn't comprehend the parlance of casual conversation. It can be tough for some.

someone123 · #**8197** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 7:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

He has a strange obsession with the difference between a City and a CMA and doesn't comprehend the parlance of casual conversation. It can be tough for some.

It's kind of instructive though (maybe with the correct message being the opposite of what he'd like us to take away from that list). If there's not much relationship between municipal population and metropolitan area size in 2016, why should we assume that there would be more of one in 1931 or 1901, particularly when the big amalgamations have been a modern phenomenon?

If you look at a Vancouver map from 1930 you'll see a lot of streets already built up from the downtown peninsula all the way to New West, past Boundary into Burnaby, with a decent amount of development in North Vancouver as well. By 1950 the city was even more spread out beyond Vancouver's municipal boundaries. A lot of people were commuting by car and the Lions Gate and Pattullo had both been in operation for years by then.

Monolith · #**8198** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 8:06 PM**

Vancouver at sunset by Daman Arora, on Flickr

Vancouver, BC Canada at night by Gregoz Photos, on Flickr

MonkeyRonin · #**8199** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 8:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by someone123

It's kind of instructive though (maybe with the correct message being the opposite of what he'd like us to take away from that list). If there's not much relationship between municipal population and metropolitan area size in 2016, why should we assume that there would be more of one in 1931 or 1901, particularly when the big amalgamations have been a modern phenomenon?

There's been suburban development going on outside of core cities for over a century now, for sure - but actually finding accurate, comparable information on it isn't so easy. And in most cases, the core city still accounted for the large majority of metropolitan populations.

This chart looks like a decent estimate: http://demographia.com/db-cancma.htm

Which has Vancouver at 308,000 in 1931, and 586,000 by 1951; and Winnipeg at 284,000 in 1931, and 357,000 in 1951.

B.ike · #**8200** Posted **Jul 19, 2018, 8:37 PM**

Found this on reddit...getting some American city vibes from this vantage and East Village coming along really well:

posted by the photographer here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/8zpesu/i_have_to_share_this_one_from_our_helicopter/